Atari_Falcon Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 Has anyone more unformations about Dactyl Joust... There´s a video on youtube which looks really nice... and I love playing Joust on the Atari 7800, so why not a 3D Jaguar version Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorf Posted March 31, 2009 Share Posted March 31, 2009 (edited) Has anyone more unformations about Dactyl Joust... There´s a video on youtube which looks really nice... and I love playing Joust on the Atari 7800, so why not a 3D Jaguar version Ah yes.....what could have been. Buddies probably knows a litle more than most about this title but that video and minor discussion is all most of us know. Edited March 31, 2009 by Gorf Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-1715120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Falcon Posted March 31, 2009 Author Share Posted March 31, 2009 I see... The video looks really impressive! reminds me a bit on Panzer Dragoon on the Saturn... I visited Atariada in Czech Republic the last weekend and so had the great opportunity to play a lot of nice unfinished Jaguar games and it´s a real pitty that so many great games never were released... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-1715149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 Forgive me all for the sudden necro-bumping of this (14 years-old!? thread) but, i recently came across with footage of the Game that AFAIK i've never seen previously outside of the well-known footage of Dactyl Joust on YouTube. While the video starts off like the other one, this footage shows the game's logo and models of the characters. However if you can notice it, these are not pre-rendered models but rather fully polygonal ones. 7 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5345759 Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, KidGameR186496 said: Forgive me all for the sudden necro-bumping of this (14 years-old!? thread) but, i recently came across with footage of the Game that AFAIK i've never seen previously outside of the well-known footage of Dactyl Joust on YouTube. While the video starts off like the other one, this footage shows the game's logo and models of the characters. However if you can notice it, these are not pre-rendered models but rather fully polygonal ones. Just for the record: the video shows FMV until the title/logo appears. Prerendered FMV are modeled with polygons btw. ;--) Edited November 9, 2023 by agradeneu Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346033 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 59 minutes ago, agradeneu said: Just for the record: the video shows FMV until the title/logo appears. Prerendered FMV are modeled with polygons btw. ;--) I should have described it in more detail X( The first segment is a pre-rendered FMV introductory sequence of the footage, then the second segment shows the logo of the Game, and lastly the third and final segment of the video shows the true polygonal models of the characters. But the question is, where does this footage came from exactly? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346079 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 2 hours ago, KidGameR186496 said: But the question is, where does this footage came from exactly? Doesn’t appear to be Jaguar, that’s for sure. Probably what it was developed using, on PC. Maybe they had considered it for Atari’s Interactive PC division but that sort of speculation might only add to the rumor mill. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346154 Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted November 9, 2023 Share Posted November 9, 2023 2 hours ago, Clint Thompson said: Doesn’t appear to be Jaguar, that’s for sure. Probably what it was developed using, on PC. Why? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucardX Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 4 hours ago, Clint Thompson said: Doesn’t appear to be Jaguar, that’s for sure. Probably what it was developed using, on PC. Maybe they had considered it for Atari’s Interactive PC division but that sort of speculation might only add to the rumor mill. If that's all FMV, which it looks like it mostly is then it could have been a Jag CD game. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346310 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterG Posted November 10, 2023 Share Posted November 10, 2023 Where does this come from now? For ages we had just the short ingame clip... it amazes me time and time again, that there are still things popping up all these years later. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5346445 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris K. Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 I asked the guy in the comments on YT, and he said: "My Dad was the vp of the art department at high voltage. We found this while cleaning out the basement lol." 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352363 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 Interesting. Can they find an old computer with source code or a Jaguar flash cart with the beta on it as well? 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352381 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+selgus Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 1 minute ago, Clint Thompson said: Interesting. Can they find an old computer with source code or a Jaguar flash cart with the beta on it as well? I used to work at HVS, though I started after they had done their ATARI Jaguar work. I am not sure they had their source code control system in place back then, but I can ask the CEO if they still have the source code to these old projects somewhere.. 7 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352385 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boris K. Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 2 hours ago, selgus said: I used to work at HVS, though I started after they had done their ATARI Jaguar work. I am not sure they had their source code control system in place back then, but I can ask the CEO if they still have the source code to these old projects somewhere.. If you could do that, that would be great! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352478 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 On 11/9/2023 at 3:48 AM, KidGameR186496 said: Forgive me all for the sudden necro-bumping of this (14 years-old!? thread) but, i recently came across with footage of the Game that AFAIK i've never seen previously outside of the well-known footage of Dactyl Joust on YouTube. While the video starts off like the other one, this footage shows the game's logo and models of the characters. However if you can notice it, these are not pre-rendered models but rather fully polygonal ones. Necrobump away, it's fantastic to see new material on this title, after all these years. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 3 hours ago, selgus said: I used to work at HVS, though I started after they had done their ATARI Jaguar work. I am not sure they had their source code control system in place back then, but I can ask the CEO if they still have the source code to these old projects somewhere.. Oh wow! That's very unexpected but awesome all the same 🙂 Send any HVS member who worked on the Jaguar our regards from the Jaguar community for their work on the system 😀 They really did one of the best if not the best version of NBA Jam T.E. on consoles 👍 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352514 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted November 20, 2023 Share Posted November 20, 2023 4 hours ago, Trabucco said: I asked the guy in the comments on YT, and he said: "My Dad was the vp of the art department at high voltage. We found this while cleaning out the basement lol." The two guesses i have based on HVS' Jaguar timeline are Eric Nofsinger (WMCJ) and Michael Baker (Ruiner Pinball). 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5352520 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 I passed the info onto Frank Gasking at GTW and put a post up on Unseen64. Full credit given to K for making the community here aware.. https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2023/11/dactyl-joust-footage-surfaces/#respond 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5353019 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted November 21, 2023 Share Posted November 21, 2023 3 hours ago, Lostdragon said: I passed the info onto Frank Gasking at GTW and put a post up on Unseen64. Full credit given to K for making the community here aware.. https://www.gamesthatwerent.com/2023/11/dactyl-joust-footage-surfaces/#respond A shoutout from Games that Weren't was not on my 2023 bingo card XD I do hope we see more of Dactyl Joust.... 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5353163 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clint Thompson Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 (edited) On 11/9/2023 at 5:51 PM, agradeneu said: Why? I guess I should clarify since I’m being quoted elsewhere as to saying “it’s not on the Jag” and them saying it actually is, but where is the proof? By that I mean it definitely does not appear to be running directly from a Jaguar. Most likely it’s a conceptual 3D render of the models to be used for the game, since the source is from the 3D artist / modeler and not the programmer. The FMV is too clean and lacks the typical Cinepak compression. While it’s possible the second part could be running on the Jag, though unlikely, the spinning 3D models are moving really fast and cross fade but more so that they definitely appear higher res than what you would see on the Jag. Plus the scaling out of the title screen is too flawless. Hopefully more details will unfold, it would be nice to finally get an in-depth glimpse to exactly what this video is and what the story is on the Jag side. The video Carl shared forever ago of what was supposedly running on a Jag looked insanely impressive but now it has me questioning that too. That one at least does appear to actually be running on the Jaguar or is believable: Edited November 23, 2023 by Clint Thompson 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5354055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Songbird Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 I got that video direct from Eric Nofsinger when came to CGE in Vegas ~20 years ago. I wish I had more! Even back then I don't think they had the source to the demo any more. 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5354063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordKraken Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 It's impressive but at the same time the scene is built in a way that seems to limit greatty the number of polygons. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5354066 Share on other sites More sharing options...
agradeneu Posted November 23, 2023 Share Posted November 23, 2023 The Clip was done with an editing Tool, hence the smooth transitions. The real time dragon models look very Jaguar, comparable to e.g. Space War 2000. Good point about the FMV cinepak, i agree. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5354096 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Falcon Posted November 23, 2023 Author Share Posted November 23, 2023 Well there was a tool to create Jaguar cinepac movies I used some years ago and the result was much better than anything Atari did I converted DVDs to Jaguar cinepac what looked great. So no matter if it is on the Jaguar, but it easily could. best regards, Chris Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5354102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
alucardX Posted November 27, 2023 Share Posted November 27, 2023 On 11/23/2023 at 6:35 AM, agradeneu said: The real time dragon models look very Jaguar, comparable to e.g. Space War 2000. I totally agree on this one. It looks do-able based on other games that were released for the Jag. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/141715-dactyl-joust/#findComment-5356364 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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