R4ngerM4n Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 In before the lock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 (edited) 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Edited December 3, 2011 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 then surely mathematically speaking 6510 > 6502, so c64 is more powerful? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) then surely mathematically speaking 6510 > 6502, so c64 is more powerful? But then we win again because the Atari chips have more letters: ANTIC/GTIA > VIC POKEY > SID You only win in the name of equal 64Kbs machines: Atari 800 XL < Commodore 64 Atari 65XE < Commodore 64 And also on the 128Kbs: Atari 130XE > Commodore 128 But we also win on our XE Game system against yours C64GS because our has more colours: more colours then (In the buttons... no need to restart the War ) Edited December 4, 2011 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryan Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Hmmm... 10 = 02 in binary, so they're equal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 then surely mathematically speaking 6510 > 6502, so c64 is more powerful? That was a mistake when they named it... If it was to be used in C64 they should have named it: 6501 of almost/near 1Mhz. In the opposite it's the A8 6502 that, as the name says it 6502 of almost/near 2Mhz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." Edited December 4, 2011 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creature XL Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism True. Jose and some others in AA are real Comparists. However, the Comparism would be better suited in the Format-War forum Isn't it ironic that Jose points out a (possible) spelling mistake? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism True. Jose and some others in AA are real Comparists. However, the Comparism would be better suited in the Format-War forum Isn't it ironic that Jose points out a (possible) spelling mistake? That's life... You also have 'comparism' on a long Thread at atariOnline that's recently been updated Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 But we also win on our XE Game system against yours C64GS because our has more colours: more colours then (In the buttons... no need to restart the War ) Wow - and I thought the XEGS was ugly... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Jefferson Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Wow - and I thought the XEGS was ugly... Yes, that thing is god-awful! I never liked the pastel buttons on the XEGS, but this thing looks like a supermodel next to that C64GS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) But we also win on our XE Game system against yours C64GS because our has more colours: more colours then (In the buttons... no need to restart the War ) Wow - and I thought the XEGS was ugly... So that's a C64 on the right there? No keyboard? Hmm...but I agree, I never like the XEGS much either. Oh, I like the seperate base and keyboard, but the pastels buttons should never have existed (unfortunately the 'Miami Vice' pastel craze was on at the time). And the cartridge port should have been placed diffently to allow space for a monitor on top like the mega ST's. All in all it was just a bad decision to release at all, IMHO, since it was really just the same old 8-bit or even a rehash of the 5200 in a way. They should have used the time and money to support the 7800 or have it outshine both the 8-bit and 7800 (and of course the NES and SMS). Not only was it up against the NES and SMS, but it was up against Atari's own 7800 too! With older tech than all three of the other systems. Edited December 4, 2011 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 So that's a C64 on the right there? No keyboard? By the time it was released, the C64C itself cost about the same so a C64GS with a keyboard is a C64C... Two decades down the line and i still can't understand quite where Commodore thought they were going with the C64GS despite owning a few and even having one on the OSG stand at Replay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 128kb Commodore has 2 CPU in 3 total speeds + 2 independent graphics systems + SID 128kb Atari has 1 CPU in 1 speed + 1 graphics system and Pokey So Commodore 128 = 300% better than 130XE? I think some people must be really bored. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 (edited) 128kb Commodore has 2 CPU in 3 total speeds + 2 independent graphics systems + SID 128kb Atari has 1 CPU in 1 speed + 1 graphics system and Pokey So Commodore 128 = 300% better than 130XE? I think some people must be really bored. Yeah, bored...so I'll respond to those remarks (I realize you're joking of course); IMHO, if the hardware is all working together in the 128, then you'd have a point, even in joking, but since you have to choose one or the other at boot-up (ethier the 64 or CPM), so you might as well be comparing two seperate computers to one...having two-in-one is just more convenient. Atari-friendly comparison; 800x2>800. Edited December 4, 2011 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 So that's a C64 on the right there? No keyboard? By the time it was released, the C64C itself cost about the same so a C64GS with a keyboard is a C64C... Two decades down the line and i still can't understand quite where Commodore thought they were going with the C64GS despite owning a few and even having one on the OSG stand at Replay. Some idiot at Commodore decided C64 cash cow could be kept on life support with this "competitor" to console market, mainly sales of leader NES. Consoles were deemed cool and computers geeky at the time, hence Amstrad & Atari making one. Of course classy games like The Pawn + Defender of the Crown + Rocket Ranger etc which pissed all over babyfied crap like Mario on NES needed a disk drive/tape deck! (8(I) Doh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Jefferson Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Two decades down the line and i still can't understand quite where Commodore thought they were going with the C64GS despite owning a few and even having one on the OSG stand at Replay. Atari pretty much wrote the books on boner moves like that. The 5200? Really? The thing was huge for one, was old tech for another, and then wasn't even compatible with the large library of 8-bit games already on the market. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 128kb Commodore has 2 CPU in 3 total speeds + 2 independent graphics systems + SID 128kb Atari has 1 CPU in 1 speed + 1 graphics system and Pokey So Commodore 128 = 300% better than 130XE? I think some people must be really bored. Yeah, bored...so I'll respond to those remarks (I realize you're joking of course); IMHO, if the hardware is all working together in the 128, then you'd have a point, even in joking, but since you have to choose one or the other at boot-up (ethier the 64 or CPM), so you might as well be comparing two seperate computers to one...having two-in-one is just more convenient. The Commodore 128 parts list on the motherboard is like a recipe for a dinner where you never use half of it EVER and they don't even mix so you waste your money at the grocery store to buy them for that meal. I still can't believe it was ever built without even making sure the VIC-II chip wasn't made compatible with the 8510 CPU running in 2mhz mode. An absolute disaster! C128 in 128 mode (40 column) is actually no better than what is possible with C64 + 64kb RAM cartridge (which Commodore sold in the early 80s). Disk access is the only improvement but then C64 + Dolphin DOS hardware upgrades was better than Commodore 128 disk interface throughput. It was a joke yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fibrewire Posted December 4, 2011 Share Posted December 4, 2011 Which one is better? Well, I hoard the Atari 8-bit stuff, while you're all welcome to message me for an appointment and directions to rummage the Commodore Cave ...before it goes into the wood chipper... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 128kb Commodore has 2 CPU in 3 total speeds + 2 independent graphics systems + SID 128kb Atari has 1 CPU in 1 speed + 1 graphics system and Pokey So Commodore 128 = 300% better than 130XE? I think some people must be really bored. What's the pratical use for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism 800 > 64 Does this mean Atari is better than Commodore? ;) Don't know... My English it's so bad that I tried Google Translation and "comparism" hasn't no Portuguese tanslation. But for the numbers and Arithmetic symbols you posted I have to say that even the less numbered Atari, the 65XE > C64. Don't worry, "comparism" is NOT a REAL word in the English language, which is probably why it didn't translate! I think he meant "comparison." You know Capitalism Socialism Comparism Merckolism Sarkozism Europaism Her kingdom will have an end. One of this days I really can hit Emkay and this Europe it's DEAD! Now we have to kill 'Her Royaltie the Majesty the Queen' : Edited December 5, 2011 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 (edited) And I don't give a sh... if Albert lock this or banned me.... There's no way, there's no way because one of these days I'll beat Emkay then he beat me... There's no Europe, there's no humanity nor freedom nor ' kids singing' : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AlH2oYedfk One of these days we may be like these poor childs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJhVM930YXY .And on that day I can finally beat Emkay and the strange thing is that we don't need Communisn nor Arabs because we are killing ourselves here in Europe P.s.- I promise that during this post I d idn't molested any Emkay(s) around ... Edited December 5, 2011 by José Pereira Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oky2000 Posted December 5, 2011 Share Posted December 5, 2011 128kb Commodore has 2 CPU in 3 total speeds + 2 independent graphics systems + SID 128kb Atari has 1 CPU in 1 speed + 1 graphics system and Pokey So Commodore 128 = 300% better than 130XE? I think some people must be really bored. What's the pratical use for that? It was a joke to show how silly the thread was getting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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