Gunstar Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I've was downloading and listening to all kinds of music demos last night, and one thing I noticed is all the "good" (meaning newer, taking advantage of advanced Pokey techniques, not just the beeps and boops of old) music, 8-bit, 16-bit and digi, are all modern genres. I'd love to hear some classical symphonic tunes. Can anyone direct me to some classic music? Something better than 'Music Studio' composition quality? Specifically 8/16-bit stereo stuff. If there isn't much or any classical symophonic stuff out there, how about emkay or someone converting some to Pokey? I'm sure there's plenty of public domain classical stuff out there... Edited March 9, 2012 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 it could be helpful to do further development using the Altirra "soundpart". That's what I was pondering - if there's an open source emulation that is available and reasonable quality then it might be a good starting point... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Sorry, but the only thing you do is to spam the forum with your 'experiments'. Why not open a single thread 'emkay goes POKEY' and put all your stuff in that thread. I am pretty sure no-one never ever will complain. Hey R4ngerM4n / Chrodegang, or whoever you really are. The only thing you do is giving 'wise comments' to anything emkay does. It doesn't matter what. You never have any comments about his coolest & best sounding experiments. Maybe we should tell the admin or one of the mods that we suspect you're someone with a double account, or a new account of the banned one named 'Chrodegang'. (Chrodegang was the one in the past, a few years ago, also aiming at emkay with his comments.) By the way: you suggest that people are complaining about emkay starting different topics, instead of one. However, we cannot find anyone really complaining about this anywhere on the AA forum. Just back off with your nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R4ngerM4n Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Hey analmux, are you emkay's mom? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MEtalGuy66 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I enjoy Emkay's music and have alwayse found it a valuable contribution to the forums. If you dont like it, dont read his threads. There are quite a few of us who do like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I've was downloading and listening to all kinds of music demos last night, and one thing I noticed is all the "good" (meaning newer, taking advantage of advanced Pokey techniques, not just the beeps and boops of old) music, 8-bit, 16-bit and digi, are all modern genres. I'd love to hear some classical symphonic tunes. Can anyone direct me to some classic music? Something better than 'Music Studio' composition quality? Specifically 8/16-bit stereo stuff. If there isn't much or any classical symophonic stuff out there, how about emkay or someone converting some to Pokey? I'm sure there's plenty of public domain classical stuff out there... I agree, classical music has been pretty much left behind in the Atari music scene. Here's a game that uses classical: Chopin, cool game too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I enjoy Emkay's music and have alwayse found it a valuable contribution to the forums. If you dont like it, dont read his threads. There are quite a few of us who do like it. Same here - I see no harm. Some of them sound really bad to me, others sound awesome. At least he's showing what is possible. And he doesn't post with Jose like frequency (sorry Jose - you didn't deserve to get hit with shrapnel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I assume R4ngerM4n really is the new alias of the banned user "Chrodegang", from 2004.10.24 to around 2008.12.13. (Around this date he was banned.) See here: http://www.atariage....931-chrodegang/ This guy had a new alias username "Ready _", from 2009.01.29 to around 2009.02.16. (Around this date he was banned too!) See here: http://www.atariage....er/22495-ready/ One example of posts, aimed at emkay, made by this user was the following post: Bingo! So you noted it was actually a parody of your posts? Read, think and then write. To be found here: http://www.atariage....ost__p__1683365 I'm afraid R4ngerM4n could be the 2nd new alias username of "Chrodegang". He started at 2009.06.10, which was a few months after the ending date of "Ready _", and the style of the quote above reminds me of the parody thread started by R4ngerM4n. (Apparently he thinks it is worth it to spend time to do this.) Here I mean the following topic: http://www.atariage....90#entry2417690 Here the word 'comparism' is used in the topic title, just like the (maybe mistaken) title 'comparision' emkay used a few days earlier. I'd say, R4ngerM4n doesn't really seem to visit this forum for atari-related things. More about personally aimed negative comments to emkay. Just like Chrodegang and Ready _ did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym00 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Who cares ? Let the topic stay on target.. Personally I'd also like to hear some classical stuff, see what Pokey can do without getting it all bent out of shape and sounding like an acid casualty from the days of musique concrete.. (null) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 Who cares ? ... At least I do, and possibly also the admin, or one of the mods. But, indeed, sorry for interrupting the topic itself. Now I'll stay out with these comments. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andym00 Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm sure the admins have it under control without people pointing and making accusations.. Now.. Where's my Prokofiev ala Pokey (null) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) I'm sure the admins have it under control without people pointing and making accusations.. Now.. Where's my Prokofiev ala Pokey (null) Amen. I need some Prokofiev too, and Tchaikowsky, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, etc., etc. How about soundtracks from Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur too? Edited March 9, 2012 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Sorry, but the only thing you do is to spam the forum with your 'experiments'. Why not open a single thread 'emkay goes POKEY' and put all your stuff in that thread. I am pretty sure no-one never ever will complain. Guess. One cause for creating new threads is that some people destroy the floating of a thread with unuseful comments. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 Who cares ? ... At least I do, and possibly also the admin, or one of the mods. But, indeed, sorry for interrupting the topic itself. Now I'll stay out with these comments. If I'm right, the guy behind the "Chrodegang" is "André" (I only read it through the ABBUC forums back then) . That guy seems to be an A8 fan, but he also dodged wrong in the ABBUC years ago. Not sure what's his problem(s). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 9, 2012 Author Share Posted March 9, 2012 I'm sure the admins have it under control without people pointing and making accusations.. Now.. Where's my Prokofiev ala Pokey (null) Amen. I need some Prokofiev too, and Tchaikowsky, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, etc., etc. How about soundtracks from Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur too? I'm for Beethoven . And, soundtracks, well, let's have a working tracker 1st Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
analmux Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 ...or what about this one? (I have no youtube vid of it): Bach, "Toccata". (I'm not really a Bach-fan, but this tune I like. I'm more a Mozart / Chopin fan, talking about classical msx.) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 9, 2012 Share Posted March 9, 2012 (edited) Thanks analmux, it's a start. And don't worry about youtube, I want actual files to listen on the actual machine anyway. Edited March 9, 2012 by Gunstar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 I'm sure the admins have it under control without people pointing and making accusations.. Now.. Where's my Prokofiev ala Pokey (null) Amen. I need some Prokofiev too, and Tchaikowsky, Beethoven, Brahms, Chopin, etc., etc. How about soundtracks from Doctor Zhivago, Lawrence of Arabia and Ben Hur too? I'm for Beethoven . And, soundtracks, well, let's have a working tracker 1st Sorry, I thought there were "working" trackers...what about Neotracker...Protracker,,,etc.? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Just listened to the Toccata tune, definately classical, very good example of the Pokey mimicking an orgin, but not symphonic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Just listened to the Toccata tune, definately classical, very good example of the Pokey mimicking an orgin, but not symphonic. That's why we'd need a "working Tracker" for this. Symphonic means broad deep sounds and clean melody with nice "pingeling" around Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Single POKEY single VBI, standard RMT programming. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utERXq1HD70 This tune misses a "simple" feature (for example). Just the option to set the AUDCTL value on the envelope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 Having a closer look at the 1.79MHz filter, now, as you might know, it has the feature to work as a "wave-stretcher" a frequency doubler and everything in between. You also can use it for digitizing and put analog steps between the quantization steps.... Almost 3.6MHz of sound programming with 2 8 bit channels and 4 bit volume sounds not that bad, imho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 10, 2012 Author Share Posted March 10, 2012 OK. A last one for this thread... let's talk further after the nonplusultra Tracker has arrived http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iGmVzdVaFGk Here a later version... found at the outer edge of the Harddrive [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWonM9CC_OE Which version sounds better? And why does anyone think it sounds better or worse... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunstar Posted March 10, 2012 Share Posted March 10, 2012 Emkay, you keep mentioning this "nonplusultra tracker," but what are you using now? What about trackers that are already around like Protracker and Neotracker? It's like to you no trackers already exist. I've heard tons of great music in games and demos that were made with these trackers and others. A new tracker, if better, is great, but why not use what there is now, for now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted March 11, 2012 Author Share Posted March 11, 2012 Emkay, you keep mentioning this "nonplusultra tracker," but what are you using now? What about trackers that are already around like Protracker and Neotracker? It's like to you no trackers already exist. I've heard tons of great music in games and demos that were made with these trackers and others. A new tracker, if better, is great, but why not use what there is now, for now? I wonder, if you really got what this all is about. Have you ever heared such advanced sounds (giving POKEY more sound depth.) from other "trackers" ? Ofcourse it can be done there aswell, but the final step is missing. Let's have a t least a view on this tune Here the original: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9wDS8q9V48E This is the tune how it is intended: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zo4z7mDrbhk And here the POKEY tune with real 2 operator modulated sounds... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UZeSGE3X_oQ You may check miker's original verseion, which is the title of "ISORA" . You find it on fandal's site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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