ACML Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 I've always heard that the 1200XL having a tighter tolerance for cartridges can have some problems with 3rd party carts. Does the OSS orange carts (Action!, Basic XL, etc) have any issues (i.e. tight fit)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Without powering on, I just tried: 2 XE types (ribbed, smooth), both fine. Atarimax translucent and solid dark, little tight but fine. Basic XL OSS Orange type, little tight but seems fine. Action! OSS black with fins, very tight, could have issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ACML Posted November 27, 2013 Author Share Posted November 27, 2013 Without powering on, I just tried: 2 XE types (ribbed, smooth), both fine. Atarimax translucent and solid dark, little tight but fine. Basic XL OSS Orange type, little tight but seems fine. Action! OSS black with fins, very tight, could have issues. Thanks Rybags! I'm thinking of buying the orange Action cartridge circa 1984. Sounds like I should avoid the black finned version. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Buying them unless cheap is a collectable thing anyway. Fairly sure all the OSS carts have had patched versions released such that they can be flashed to a low capacity Atarimax cart. I even did a Mac-65 patch to allow it to run in VBXE banked RAM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greblus Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Sorry for an off topic, but it'd be great one day to have a possibility to flash Action! (and maybe also other 8/16k carts) on U1MB. Unfortunately I've no personal courage to ask Candle about it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Possible, probably, but the alternate formats generally mean some reworking of the code. Also it's generally wasteful a bit because e.g. Atarimax banking is 8K but the OSS carts work in a fixed upper 4K and banked lower 4K. In order to work with Atarimax, the top 4K is just replicated across all the banks involved - same would probably apply to U1Meg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Buying them unless cheap is a collectable thing anyway. Fairly sure all the OSS carts have had patched versions released such that they can be flashed to a low capacity Atarimax cart. I even did a Mac-65 patch to allow it to run in VBXE banked RAM. Steve made a Maxflash 8Mb image, available through the Atarimax forums, which includes the following. All of these work as individual carts, the cartridge will not simulate 'stacked' cartridges. SDX 4.45 (the 1mbit build, modified) Express! Diamond GOS MAC/65 Basic XL Basic XE Action! Instant MyDOS Instant SmartDOS Disk Wizard II Copy 2000 My Copier 2.1 Instant Translator 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Larry Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Be aware when considering flash versions that some don't work properly. On some things, they work fine. Other things only partially work. If you already own a flash cart, test what you want to use first. -Larry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
a8isa1 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Steve made a Maxflash 8Mb image, available through the Atarimax forums, which includes the following. All of these work as individual carts, the cartridge will not simulate 'stacked' cartridges. SDX 4.45 (the 1mbit build, modified) Express! Diamond GOS MAC/65 Basic XL Basic XE Action! Instant MyDOS Instant SmartDOS Disk Wizard II Copy 2000 My Copier 2.1 Instant Translator You missed my favorite, SDX 4.46 with simulated stacking of BASIC XL, Action!, and MAC/65 (choose one at boot time). You can also choose SDX with no language cart. http://www.atarimax.com/flashcart/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1391 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 You missed my favorite, SDX 4.46 with simulated stacking of BASIC XL, Action!, and MAC/65 (choose one at boot time). You can also choose SDX with no language cart. http://www.atarimax.com/flashcart/forum/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=1391 I don't need the simulated stacking of this version, I already have other devices to provide SDX as do many others. Original ICD SDX cartridge, Ultimate 1MB upgrade, Incognito upgrade, IDE+ 2.0. I also have 2 SIDE cartridges but these don't support pass-thru, and I don't have intSDX which does support pass-thru using the stock cartridge port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 27, 2013 Share Posted November 27, 2013 Sorry for an off topic, but it'd be great one day to have a possibility to flash Action! (and maybe also other 8/16k carts) on U1MB. Unfortunately I've no personal courage to ask Candle about it I have also wanted this option. It would require a re-write of the FPGA logic as well as changes to the setup menu. -K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
russg Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 (edited) I have also wanted this option. It would require a re-write of the FPGA logic as well as changes to the setup menu. -K There's a binary load ACTION!. It shoiuld burn to a Maxflash cart. I haven't tried to burn it. I hope this is the binary load one. I have a couple run time files also, which allows you to compile a ACTION! editor file and include the run time, so no need of ACTION! to run it. Oh, heck, here's my entire ACTION folder with all my ACTION! stuff. The ACTION! binarly load is the simple ACTION.ARC file. ACTION! is a bank switched cart, so I don't know how it is made into a simple binary load. ACTION.zip Edited November 28, 2013 by russg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Thanks for the Action!, but, I am looking for a way to have the same free memory, and actually have the exact same memory map as an Action! cart plugged on top of SpartaDOS-X. This would be possible on the Incognito / U1MB (With proper logic). Action!, MAC/65, BXL, BXE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 A Black AtariMax cart is the EXACT SAME as an Orange OSS Cart. Both made by Solakian Mold Co. Fresno, Ca. 209-251-8784. The number has probably changed by now, but, it is exactly the same. D.E.L.CompuCable Systems, Later known as DSI, also used this same (black) plastic for SpectraView I and SpectraView II carts. Same exact mold, same exact plastic. Everything fits. I once made a half black, half orange BASIC-XL And, YES, they all fit into a 1200XL, some with a little more force than others. Been there, done that. -K Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 Slight differences I can see here: Orange OSS has "<- LEFT CARTRIDGE" as well as OSS logo as part of the molding. Also has slight lip on the sides that black Atarimax doesn't. The lip would probably increase overall width by about .3 - .5 mm. Aside from nice textured surface vs smooth, practically identical. Raised lines running along the length of the exposed PCB end of OSS carts seem slightly more prominent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted November 28, 2013 Share Posted November 28, 2013 AtariMax cut out the top of the Max+Flash MyIDE carts to fit the 40 pin IDE connector. Open the cart, and you will see Solakian Mold Co. embossed on the interior of the cart shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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