+MrFish Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) Added some enhancements to Ms. Pac-Man.Changes- Added cabinet artwork title/splash screen, via Graph2Font and Integrator.- Most fruit/food edited- Blue ghost eyes edited (per Pac-Man Arcade)- Ghost eyes returning to "pen" edited (per Pac-Man Arcade)- Fruit/food and ghost points edited for: 700, 1000, 1600, 2000, and 5000 (per Pac-Man Arcade) NOTES: - The title/splash screen's colors have been adjusted for PAL video, but no color adjustments have been made beyond that.- Tested working correctly with PicoDOS on real NTSC hardware, and with Altirra for PAL and NTSC. - Works with SIDE I Loader on real hardware, but video glitches intermittently for a short period after button is pressed on title screen, before the game loads. - I have not tested it on any real PAL hardware yet. [Edit: Files taken down until I correct a slight problem with a few pixels for the 1600 points edit. Too late to fix tonight. I'll post them back up tomorrow after I've had a chance to make the repair.] Edited April 25, 2014 by MrFish 10 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
retrorussell Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Oops, sorry. Thought you were going to say she got a boob job. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 Oops, sorry. Thought you were going to say she got a boob job. Hahahah... LOL. It's amazing enough seeing her with arms and legs on the canbinet artwork. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977015 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 The fix was simple. Hopefully that was the only thing wrong. Here's the binaries: 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977016 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Haven't checked it out - but wouldn't it be possible to just have a universal binary for both systems? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 Haven't checked it out - but wouldn't it be possible to just have a universal binary for both systems? I imagine, and preferably so. I didn't do a disassembly though. This was just done using a hex-editor, Graph2Font, and Integrator. So having separate binaries was the easiest way to get the title into NTSC and PAL colors. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjmann Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 (edited) It would be nice if the game code could be tightened up a bit. this version always played a little on the clunky side compared to the 7800 version. Nice Fixes though. I especially like the ghosts eyes. looks much better. =) Edited April 25, 2014 by Kjmann Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977025 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 25, 2014 Author Share Posted April 25, 2014 It would be nice if the game code could be tightened up a bit. this version always played a little on the clunky side compared to the 7800 version. Nice Fixes though. I especially like the ghosts eyes. looks much better. =) Yeah, it could use a few other hacks to bring it up another notch. I think the main thing about it is that the game speed starts off too slow, if you're comparing it to the 7800 version and the arcade. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Neat! Thanks for sharing. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwiliteZoner Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 I love these types of updates to the 8-bit games. Thanks. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977307 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 25, 2014 Share Posted April 25, 2014 Something wrong in higher level ? I was playing on Altirra emulator. Will test on the real hardware . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977358 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bfollett Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 Not sure if it's just Altarri's color palette but in both the NTSC and PAL versions the Orange fruit does not look particularly orange. Bob Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977643 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 26, 2014 Share Posted April 26, 2014 It also seems like the screen is offset a couple of pixels to the right? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Something wrong in higher level ? I was playing on Altirra emulator. Will test on the real hardware . I've played games starting from the first level and ending in the highest level/maze (after "Act 3, Junior"), and beyond without any problems (In NTSC. I haven't the patience to do it in PAL mode). Can you elaborate on what you're experiencing? Not sure if it's just Altarri's color palette but in both the NTSC and PAL versions the Orange fruit does not look particularly orange. Could be your color settings in Altirra. It looks orange in Altirra for me in NTSC. As a comparison the outline for the cabinet artwork/splash screen should be orange too -- although it can be a little difficult to distinguish with all the pink that's mixed in around it. Also, the "Pear" and "Banana" levels mazes should be orange. I use the "Authentic NTSC" palette in Altirra, with the brightness and contrast settings turned up a little. I think this gives a pretty accurate palette, based on what I see on real hardware (800XL). As mentioned in the notes in the first post though, I've made no changes to the in-game colors. So whatever you're seeing there is coming from the original Atari Ms. Pac-Man game. It also seems like the screen is offset a couple of pixels to the right? What screen? Edited April 27, 2014 by MrFish Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2977983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Will tell you what level as I seen . I would try take a picture from screenshot on altirra. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978144 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Something wrong in higher level ? I was playing on Altirra emulator. Will test on the real hardware . OK, I've found a bug, which is probably the one you're talking about. The screen will start to flicker during game play at certain times. It only seems to do it after I let attract mode come up and then go back to the level selection screen before starting a new game. But I don't know for sure yet. I haven't tried it on real hardware either, just Altirra. One thing I do know is that it's not related to any of the changes I've made, because I've gone back to the original binary that Marius1976 posted after he did some color fix (I think) and added the ability to start a game from the selection screen using <Start> or <Fire>, rather than just <Start>. I'll have to see if I can go back to the original thread it was posted in and see exactly what he modified. Also, I'm not sure that the binary that he was working with didn't have this problem before he made his changes. I'd like to have the button hack in, but the main priority is starting with a bug free binary version. I thought his binary had been out there long enough for any bugs to have surfaced. Adding the title/splash screen and hacks into any version is fairly trivial for me at this point because I've got all the changes documented, and adding the Graph2Font executable just takes a few minutes using Integrator. Anyway... thanks for posting the information Caterpiggle. I'll take down the binaries I've posted until the problem is resolved. Edited April 27, 2014 by MrFish Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978150 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 No no no. It is not that reason. Will post screenshot tmw on my computer. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 No no no. It is not that reason. Will post screenshot tmw on my computer. OK, sure. Either way it doesn't matter because I know I'm working with a corrupt binary. So I need to start fresh. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caterpiggle Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Where is the original title comes from ? arcade ? Atari 7800 ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978212 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Where is the original title comes from ? arcade ? Atari 7800 ? It came from the arcade cabinet. It's the marquee, actually. Same as I used for Pac-Man Arcade title for 8-bits. Edited April 27, 2014 by MrFish Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 (edited) Sorry Mr Fish, ignore the shifted title screen comment, it only happens if you set Altirra's artifacting to PAL high which is what I always have it on...Switched it to normal and the line goes.. If you have Altirra you can see it yourself... False alarm, my apologies... Edited April 27, 2014 by Mclaneinc Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978249 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 Sorry Mr Fish, ignore the shifted title screen comment, it only happens if you set Altirra's artifacting to PAL high which is what I always have it on...Switched it to normal and the line goes.. If you have Altirra you can see it yourself... False alarm, my apologies... Interesting. It happens also -- but to a much lesser extent -- when using NTSC High Artifacting. It should only be seen when extending the overscan. I did use the "false background" technique and widescreen mode (48 bytes) for this graphic. During the process of creating it, I found out that I could probably get away without using a false background though. Maybe maybe at some point I'll try redoing it using a normal screen screen width, etc. I'd like to check out some other widescreen graphic which use false background and see how they also look in this high-artifacting mode. I'm curious how it looks on a real PAL machine too; I haven't one myself to try it out on these days. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 27, 2014 Author Share Posted April 27, 2014 BTW, why is there no dedicated "Hack" sub-forum for the 8-bits? 2600 - Check 5200 - Check 7800 - Check 8-bits - ??? AtariAge Hack Forums It isn't like there aren't any hacks for the system. In fact when it comes to "trained" hacks, I'd say there are many. It'd be nice to see us get added to the list, and have a place to consolidate the work that's being done. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted April 27, 2014 Share Posted April 27, 2014 Send a note to Al about it. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978682 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted April 28, 2014 Author Share Posted April 28, 2014 I'd like to check out some other widescreen graphic which use false background and see how they also look in this high-artifacting mode. Yeah, it seems to be true for anything using this technique. Obviously the example below doesn't look too pronounced because of the particular colors (not correct actually, as it's intended for NTSC) it's using in comparison to the Ms. Pac-Man title. I think I've actually seen a similar problem when I've used CRT's that show a larger portion of the overscan. I try not to use the graphic technique any more than is absolutely needed, as it necessarily limits the amount of DLI changes that can occur on a given line. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/224729-ms-pac-man-with-enhancements/#findComment-2978756 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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