7800fan Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 Even with massive bankswitching to handle monster sized memory, is it even practical to have really huge game? How long would it take to flip one "page" via bankswitching to reach data that's about 2Mb away from the start? A few second of blank video? From what I understand of 2600 bankswitching, it advances only, doesn't go backward so if you needed some new data from 2 or 3 pages backward, you'd need to flip through almost entire 4MB to reach the desired page. Keeping track of which page while retaining game variable would quickly run through the tiny 128 byte RAM (yes, bytes, not Kb or anything) so added RAM would be required just to keep track of page # Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The time required to go from bank 0 to bank 1, or from bank 0 to bank 63, is exactly the same on pretty much any bankswitched board. EDIT: Note, I only picked 63 as the upper limit for the example, because the new SuperCart for the 2600 can handle 64 banks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The time required to go from bank 0 to bank 1, or from bank 0 to bank 63, is exactly the same on pretty much any bankswitched board. EDIT: Note, I only picked 63 as the upper limit for the example, because the new SuperCart for the 2600 can handle 64 banks. 64 banks. So only 256 kbytes instead of the full 512? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 The confused face was because none of what you wrote made sense to me. Yeah, I talk out of my rear sometimes. Sorry 'bout that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 9, 2015 Share Posted March 9, 2015 64 banks. So only 256 kbytes instead of the full 512? I never said anything about a 512K cart. http://atariage.com/forums/topic/219144-new-homebrew-board-coming-soon/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 But you said the H2 would most likely be 512kbytes... (due to a manufacture defect with the 1M memory chips) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I said no such thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 But you said the H2 would most likely be 512kbytes... (due to a manufacture defect with the 1M memory chips) I believe it was Batari who said that. H2 is largely his project, I think. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 (edited) :facepalm: Sorry guys, it's high time I unsubbed this thread and let the experts work out the details... :facepalm: Edited March 10, 2015 by stardust4ever 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why re-invent the wheel? Get with Chad of the Cuttle Cart 2 and see if he will let you make reproductions of a product that worked great. Or even expound on this. I am with Stardust4Ever... I am MASSIVELY disappointed that the Harmony Cart 2, said to be on the nips of release about five years ago, has not happened. People talked about it so much that I thought it was was released. Get it together people. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Don't re-invent the wheel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I would be interested in buying a new one when someone comes out with it. I unfortunately had to sell my CC2 many years back due to the fact that I was moving and needed the cash at the time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 I am MASSIVELY disappointed that the Harmony Cart 2, said to be on the nips of release about five years ago, has not happened. People talked about it so much that I thought it was was released. Get it together people. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Don't re-invent the wheel. People bitching about a product they paid for is one thing, but your statement is ridiculously rude and un-informed. You obviously have no clue what goes into developing such a product. Lame. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Here's what COULD have gone down. batari could have released an H2 several years ago that basically just played standard 7800 and 2600 games. Nothing more. Yes most of us would have bought it right away. Fast forward to 2014 (when batari hoped to have it ready before hardware failed on him), and a Concerto could have be readied that played the games plus XM-level homebrew, plus had a Pokey/Hokey, plus kept high scores, or whatever else the eventual Concerto may do. Meaning a double-dipping in a sense, which I don't think batari was ever happy about doing. So yes, I would have loved to have had it years ago, months ago, yesterday! But if he truly can do the add-ons we've had whispers of, I will be quite happy despite the wait. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 It is going to be a great product and we all really want one. Nuff said eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted March 10, 2015 Share Posted March 10, 2015 Why re-invent the wheel? Get with Chad of the Cuttle Cart 2 and see if he will let you make reproductions of a product that worked great. Or even expound on this. I am with Stardust4Ever... I am MASSIVELY disappointed that the Harmony Cart 2, said to be on the nips of release about five years ago, has not happened. People talked about it so much that I thought it was was released. Get it together people. Don't make it more complicated than it needs to be. Don't re-invent the wheel. doctorclu-less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 doctorclu-less. Yeah all these comments about complaining about products that no one paid for are uncalled for. Bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch bitch. He owes you sweet F all. I think we went thru all this drama part in the h2 thread. Seems the record is skipping again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I am with Stardust4Ever... I am MASSIVELY disappointed that the Harmony Cart 2, said to be on the nips of release about five years ago, has not happened. People talked about it so much that I thought it was was released. No, you're not. Stop putting words in my mouth. I merely spouted off some suggestions that made little sense because I was sleep deprived at the time. I am patiently waiting like everyone. If you're happy with the old Harmony, then fine, keep it. I am keeping my old one as well. But there is a genuine need of a flash multicart for 7800, which this product happens to do in addition to playing 2600 games, so me as well as others are excited for it. No need to get your panties in a bunch if it doesn't come on time. Besides the developers, nobody's sunk money into this yet, unlike a certain addon which will remain nameless. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doctorclu Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) People bitching about a product they paid for is one thing, but your statement is ridiculously rude and un-informed. You obviously have no clue what goes into developing such a product. Lame. I express my disappointment, and based on the "skipping record" comment I am not the only one disappointed. But I talked about a product / idea I did not mention a particular person, and I was talking about a product. I didn't say the developers were stupid or attack their persons. And what is this? "Doctorclu-less" (to quote 78001987), and talking about me in the third person? Attacking me as a person? Now THAT is lame. Edited March 11, 2015 by doctorclu Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I've been using and enjoying my CC2 for about ten years now (has it been that long?) and I am looking forward the Harmony 2 (or whatever it ends up being called). I express my disappointment, and based on the "skipping record" comment I am not the only one disappointed. Then feel free to start the "Entitled Members Who Are Disappointed that Hobbyist Projects Haven't Come to Fruition" club. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78001987 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 (edited) I express my disappointment, and based on the "skipping record" comment I am not the only one disappointed. But I talked about a product / idea I did not mention a particular person, and I was talking about a product. I didn't say the developers were stupid or attack their persons. And what is this? "Doctorclu-less" (to quote 78001987), and talking about me in the third person? Attacking me as a person? Now THAT is lame. I made a joke, a play on words with your username, which I derived from your tone-deaf opinion of this project's progress. It might be a good idea if you're going to come here to complain about things, you also come here with an ounce of perspective or sense of humor. I wasn't trying to attack you. Just making a joking reference. My apologies if you took serious offense. As CPUWIZ already stated, no one has paid any money for this project except Batari himself, from his own pocket. So it is a labor of love, being done at Batari's pace and personal cost. You can be as "massively disappointed" as you like, but it serves no purpose to complain so loudly about your perception of the progress here, other than to annoy and alienate the developers who are working on it FOR FREE in their own personal time. it's bad enough that Bob (pacmanplus) has already been driven away from this place, twice now, due to harassment, we don't need to drive the creator of the Harmony and Concerto away before this project is completed too. Edited March 11, 2015 by 78001987 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 I express my disappointment, and based on the "skipping record" comment I am not the only one disappointed. But I talked about a product / idea I did not mention a particular person, and I was talking about a product. I didn't say the developers were stupid or attack their persons. You are the exact kind of person, why Bob is not around. I like the idea from the other thread, put all the whining bitches at the end of the order list or ban them from purchasing all together. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg2600 Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Woah, PacManPlus is gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sh3-rg Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 You are the exact kind of person, why Bob is not around. I like the idea from the other thread, put all the whining bitches at the end of the order list or ban them from purchasing all together. Wow, I hope that's some in-joke thing, otherwise it doesn't get much more inappropriate as far as moderator posts go. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Wow, I hope that's some in-joke thing, otherwise it doesn't get much more inappropriate as far as moderator posts go. Calling out the whiny bitches for what they are and suggesting a means of dealing with them has less negative effect on this community than the whiny bitches who are potentially driving away the homebrewers and hardware developers so I don't see the problem. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted March 11, 2015 Share Posted March 11, 2015 Woah, PacManPlus is gone? Sad times if true Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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