Andromeda Stardust Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 what I want to do is separate them into 2 different code batches. 1 to protect any games I make or upload to this site 2. to unlock it if needed. (I trust those I give the password to will not spread it over the internet) currently in alpha stage Ever heard of Google search? If someone downloads the ROM, lookup of the password is easy. Plus inputting a passcode is super annoying to anyone who wants to jump in playing the game... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Oh, I thought the 1994 date was when Commodore went bankcrupt, and the C64 had been discontinued at least two years prior to that. And José, what's worse than having your Atari infected by ransomware would be if it was infected with Commodore ransomware, right? Edited June 16, 2017 by carlsson 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 Oh, I thought the 1994 date was when Commodore went bankcrupt, and the C64 had been discontinued at least two years prior to that. i took the dates from Wikipedia (everybody's favourite, almost accurate source of knowledge) but my own, admittedly wonky memory says we were still getting Terminator 2 packs from Commodore UK right up until the fecal matter impacted with the air conditioning so 1994 sounded right. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 True, the article writes that in March 1994 Commodore announced on CeBIT in Hannover that the C64 would be discontinued in 1995. One month later Commodore itself was discontinued... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
José Pereira Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 And José, what's worse than having your Atari infected by ransomware would be if it was infected with Commodore ransomware, right? Yes, you're right!But if this will ever happen to any of us we can always say that "It was them... Them the dark side!"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 If you don't pay us $1,000 within two weeks, your POKEY chip will be turned into a SID chip! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted June 16, 2017 Share Posted June 16, 2017 (edited) Remember "Paperweight"? It was an A.N.A.L.O.G. April Fools type-in program that simulated an Atari 8-bit computer getting "destroyed" and ended with realistic looking TV 'snow' that wouldn't go away even if you pressed Reset. Imagine that with a ransomware interface Edited June 16, 2017 by zzip 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujidude Posted June 17, 2017 Share Posted June 17, 2017 If you don't pay us $1,000 within two weeks, your POKEY chip will be turned into a SID chip! Conventional wisdom says that would actually be an upgrade. But yeah I know there is some unconventional wisdom out there too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sack-c0s Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 If I were encrypting something I'd be a complete and total b*stard and borrow a theory I read about on the ST. Sync to the VSYNC and use the raster scan position as part of the key. Let's see what happens when you freeze that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 If I were encrypting something I'd be a complete and total b*stard and borrow a theory I read about on the ST. Sync to the VSYNC and use the raster scan position as part of the key. Let's see what happens when you freeze that Well, if you freeze it after it's de-crypted, then well, defeated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 So... since there was a demand, we now have WannaClone for the Atari 8-bit! Ta to Jose and Miker for all of the work they put in and Carlsson for the joke i nicked from this thread for the scrolling message. =-) Sorry the source code hasn't been converted to the 32X yet... The dates are, again, taken from Wikipedia and the "magic number" changed; the C64 version is set to $6A and the Atari 8-bit, appropriately, uses $A8. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2600problems Posted June 20, 2017 Author Share Posted June 20, 2017 how would I encrypt for the apple II or BBC micro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estece Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 (edited) I have real task here for anyone How to get clear one listing with this two ? I don't get yet what data are in the e$. Is it assembly or tokens of basic or simply map or other data? I have purpose for the clear one listing Maybe a new nice game if it can be done tank1.bas tank2.bas Edited June 20, 2017 by Estece Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
carlsson Posted June 20, 2017 Share Posted June 20, 2017 I see from Pouët that joke productions taken out of context are difficult to understand, and rather are rated as if they were seriously meant than not rated at all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted June 21, 2017 Share Posted June 21, 2017 how would I encrypt for the apple II or BBC micro? The process is the same for any system, think of a reversible way to mangle the data and write an encoder and decoder. In the case of WannaClone it's using what is essentially a slightly hacky pseudo random number generator and simple EORing against a fixed 256 byte block of data from the music, but anything else like the ROM is valid as long as it's a constant. I see from Pouët that joke productions taken out of context are difficult to understand, and rather are rated as if they were seriously meant than not rated at all... i try not to worry about what Pouet as a whole thinks either way; the voting system has bugger all nuance to it, there's copious amounts of name or platform voting sometimes purely based on the screenshot and people from Platform A don't always understand the technical aspects of Platform B so score releases based on their "artistic merit" and that isn't always relevant especially with 8-bit demos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 About "Joke production" ... I had a very good laugh, after listening to the C64 version, to read about extortion , "If you don't pay the money , POKEY will be turned into SID..." ... what to say? Let the things roll on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Conventional wisdom says that would actually be an upgrade. But yeah I know there is some unconventional wisdom out there too. I'd never see SID as an upgrade from POKEY, as SID has too much flaws. But for music, it still plays more in tune without any strain. I also doubt, after 40 years, there will be any useful POKEY tracker for music creation without strain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 I also doubt, after 40 years, there will be any useful POKEY tracker for music creation without strain. Well, you've spent an absolute age telling people how it should be done, but music drivers are usually written by musicians who want somethine specific and this is the programming section of the forum after all... there's over eleven hundred characters in your last two posts so that's about seventy lines of source code you could've written by now! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Well, you've spent an absolute age telling people how it should be done, but music drivers are usually written by musicians who want somethine specific and this is the programming section of the forum after all... there's over eleven hundred characters in your last two posts so that's about seventy lines of source code you could've written by now! Your, not so wise, words may impress people who don't have a look "behind". But, I'm pretty sure, you won't change your life the same, as I have enough to do with other things in my life .... It also is a peace of cake to let some music running, while doing "life relevant things" and to change some parts here and there , to have a piece of music edited. It also is no problem for coders to create software "by side" , when the routine is everyday's routine. You know, how "civilisation" is working ? Then you may know the point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TMR Posted June 24, 2017 Share Posted June 24, 2017 Your, not so wise, words may impress people who don't have a look "behind". But, I'm pretty sure, you won't change your life the same, as I have enough to do with other things in my life .... If it's not worth your time to program that easy to use music driver and editor then it isn't worth anyone else's time either. Stop arguing with me and you'll have time to write a little code, keep not arguing with people, ranting about large borders or complaining about the lack of that music utility you expect other people to make and there'll be enough time to write the thing yourself. It won't happen overnight because this stuff doesn't, but if you write it then the features will match your expectations and needs. As for if my words are wise, i never claimed they were... but i don't expect anybody else to write programs for me whilst i post them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujidude Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 (edited) I'd never see SID as an upgrade from POKEY, as SID has too much flaws. But for music, it still plays more in tune without any strain. I also doubt, after 40 years, there will be any useful POKEY tracker for music creation without strain. Okay, the SID has flaws. But POKEY does not? I mean, what doesn't have flaws? I'll admit I do not have a deep technical understanding of either chip and therefore cannot intelligently discuss the finer points of the inner workings of them and how it relates to music theory, sound effects, etc. But what I can speak to, is my own evaluations of what I have heard produced by the two chips. When I listen to the best of what each has to offer, I have to say that the SID wins fairly handily. That is not to say I don't like POKEY, or that I think SID is God's gift to 80s personal computing though. I couldn't afford to have more than one platform, and I only used Atari 8-bit computers in my own home. So I liked Atari best over-all. And for what it's worth, I still think Atari is the best of all the 8-bit offerings of the time. But I would be a dishonest fan boy if I said that I thought POKEY was better than SID. Edited June 26, 2017 by fujidude 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 I have made my program uncrackable by putting it on write-only media. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
miker Posted June 26, 2017 Share Posted June 26, 2017 IMHO the best method to make your program uncrackable is don't write it at all! OK, now you can close this (insert something really stoopid there) thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fujidude Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 (edited) Yeah, I wrote quite a number of programs that were never cracked back in the day. Of course, I never published them either! So that's a really good way to keep them from being cracked. Edited June 27, 2017 by fujidude 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted June 27, 2017 Share Posted June 27, 2017 Okay, the SID has flaws. But POKEY does not? I mean, what doesn't have flaws? I'll admit I do not have a deep technical understanding of either chip and therefore cannot intelligently discuss the finer points of the inner workings of them and how it relates to music theory, sound effects, etc. But what I can speak to, is my own evaluations of what I have heard produced by the two chips. When I listen to the best of what each has to offer, I have to say that the SID wins fairly handily. That is not to say I don't like POKEY, or that I think SID is God's gift to 80s personal computing though. I couldn't afford to have more than one platform, and I only used Atari 8-bit computers in my own home. So I liked Atari best over-all. And for what it's worth, I still think Atari is the best of all the 8-bit offerings of the time. But I would be a dishonest fan boy if I said that I thought POKEY was better than SID. Pokey is harsher sounding and doesn't have the filters that SID has BITD, I used to be so jealous of the music that SID plays. In the days before digital audio and synthesizers on a chip, SID sounded amazing. But nowadays when I listen to both, SID sounds like a generic 'chiptune' soundchip while Pokey has a more unique sound. I suppose this is because many chips that came after SID sound similar to SID while nothing else quite sounds like pokey. So today I prefer pokey, back then I preferred SID 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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