leech Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 For those asking about Linux http://store.steampowered.com/steamosis the SteamOS thing that I'm hoping Ataribox basically uses. Free download. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazball Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) This whole project is really puzzling, and after what we saw with the Retro VGS/Coleco Chameleon, I'm surprised so many members here seem ready to jump onboard with this. The similarities are just too much: Ataribox - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Coleco Chameleon - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Did I miss anything? Edited September 28, 2017 by glazball 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'm continually aghast at people's willingness to get fishooked into believing something is more than it is. There is a clear track record here by the person and people involved that makes it pretty predictable what they are trying to pass off. This is and will be an off the shelf Chinese mini PC or PC on a stick that are readily available now for under $200. They are not customizing hardware, or diddly squat. They're just, yet again throwing buzz words and con job terms around to appeal to people wanting to believe some fantasy. Is calling any part of this "custom", "advanced", "super fast", "industry leading", "optimal" or any other B.S. term illegal or fraudulent? No, because that means nothing since those terms can apply to anything depending on context, timing, what have you. Based on the one low res, undoctored image they were forced to release in response to criticism of their images to date, you can clearly see their "prototype" was 3D printed. They are one 8 hour Makerbot print job beyond a 3D model Than can be whipped up in 10 minutes. They keep selling the design appeal with all the catch phrases to rope in supporters. They still have nothing new to offer, and both their continued tactics, and people's willingness to buy into them is becoming increasingly irritating. We need fewer thought leaders and community builders and more critical thinkers. This. So much this. I've been saying the same, for months. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Coleco Chameleon was supposed to be very durable, built to last, so you could bequeath your old cartridges to your heirs after you die. AtariBox appears to be less backwards-looking, and will likely embrace upgradeable firmware and downloaded content. CC = stupid, insulting demos, including other peoples' work, and kitchen table "lab bench" video purporting to be a work in progress. Even if tongue in cheek, Atari can't sink that low. They'll probably bring out that stupid speaker hat, too. CC = lots of talk in interviews, podcasts, and stuff. The dudes were constantly changing the specs and seemed to be in public disagreement about what they even wanted. Ataribox has been much quieter and disciplined, and might even have a prototype. I'm willing to see what they actually come up with. I assume they're not going to stuff a SNES in their case and pretend it's running a proprietary FPGA board. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 CC = lots of talk in interviews, podcasts, and stuff. The dudes were constantly changing the specs and seemed to be in public disagreement about what they even wanted. Ataribox has been much quieter and disciplined, and might even have a prototype. I'm willing to see what they actually come up with. I assume they're not going to stuff a SNES in their case and pretend it's running a proprietary FPGA board. And unlike CC, there's a very good chance (practically a lock) that Atari's crowdfunding campaign will be a success first try out, so that will make actually producing something far easier (although not easy, obviously). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Gizmodo pours on some haterade: New Ataribox Details Don't Make It Sound Any More Promising Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I'm continually aghast at people's willingness to get fishooked into believing something is more than it is. There is a clear track record here by the person and people involved that makes it pretty predictable what they are trying to pass off. This is and will be an off the shelf Chinese mini PC or PC on a stick that are readily available now for under $200. They are not customizing hardware, or diddly squat. They're just, yet again throwing buzz words and con job terms around to appeal to people wanting to believe some fantasy. Is calling any part of this "custom", "advanced", "super fast", "industry leading", "optimal" or any other B.S. term illegal or fraudulent? No, because that means nothing since those terms can apply to anything depending on context, timing, what have you. Heh.. well, yeah.. any emulator box one sets up at home today is more "Atari" than this ataribox scheme they're doing. The bold terms I marked are totally 100% applicable to your homebuilt box. 1- not customizing hardware. Your home set-top-box is going be made from generic and widely available parts. 2- custom. This applies because you'll be custom configuring the system to your liking. 3- advanced. This is because you'll be using state-of-the art parts with advanced features in it's construction. 4- super fast. Your emulator box will likely run at 3GHz and play games at hundreds or thousands of FPS if so desired. 5- industry leading. You're going to be using 14nm or smaller parts from name-brand suppliers. 6- optimal. Your system isn't going to be filled with bullshit apps, just the necessary emulators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 Gizmodo pours on some haterade: New Ataribox Details Don't Make It Sound Any More Promising What flavor is this new haterade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 What flavor is this new haterade? What is this? Smells like piss. Looks like piss. This is piss. Piss with ink. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) I think you're right that it may yield them substantial backing support based on brand recognition. Based on their Facebook feedback, there are probably enough hipsters willing to throw money at them based on nostalgia for a brand they scarcely knew. Of course, one has to expect a healthy amount of community building and thought leadership in their social media feedback, like in Amazon's product reviews, that makes real support difficult to gauge. I do genuinely wish the Atari brand luck in making a successful game related product. Hard to say the same for some of the individual players. At the same time, I feel bad about all the marks that will get taken as this thing pans out to it's likely evidence based conclusion. I hope I'm wrong, but it will be a fascinating ride either way. Edited September 28, 2017 by JBerel 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 CC = lots of talk in interviews, podcasts, and stuff. The dudes were constantly changing the specs and seemed to be in public disagreement about what they even wanted. Ataribox has been much quieter and disciplined, and might even have a prototype. I'm willing to see what they actually come up with. I assume they're not going to stuff a SNES in their case and pretend it's running a proprietary FPGA board. I agree. I, too, am willing to see what Atari actually comes up with. Also, I know that everyone, and I do mean "everyone", is speculative to some degree on this new 'console'. But, can't we all just wait and see how this all plays out? I am intrigued, but Atari is going to have to really wow me in order for me to prefer it over an Xbox One S, PS4, Nintendo Switch, or even a streaming (micro console) device like the Nvidia Shield, upcoming Amazon Fire TV 3 box, and even the Dreamcade Replay. While I love the speculation and banter on either side, I think we really need to wait and see what the Ataribox is about in order to reach concrete conclusions. Just my two cents. Keep up the conversations though. I love a good debate 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 nastalgia That's what I feel for this project. Nasty + Nostalgia = Nastalgia 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 That's what I feel for this project. Nasty + Nostalgia = Nastalgia While I love the speculation and banter on either side, I think we really need to wait and see what the Ataribox is about in order to reach concrete conclusions. Just my two cents. Keep up the conversations though. I love a good debate Yeah, I made my own urban dictionary Freudian slip there huh. Fixed anyway. I agree about the wait and see approach on the product of course. On the other hand, seeing so many well-trodden and cliche scam routines being displayed in their marketing and communications cannot go unchallenged. It's their deliberate choice to package and promote a fantasy rather than first producing a product than can speak for itself, or at all. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 I don't know. Is Red Hat Linux still open, if it still exists? Wrong color. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Nathan Strum Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 What I wonder is A) is this thing going to be silent (which is a HUGE advantage over the PS4 I currently have) and B) is it going to come bundled with a Steam Controller that has wood grain? That'd be epic! Not a controller... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) If they put in a big enough hard drive and it has a digital tv tuner(or supports them via USB) so that it doubles as an over the air DVR(and has a nice channel guide like my Channel Master so I can scroll through and see what all is coming on without having to channel surf) that would be great and I could move my existing DVR in a bedroom. I would also want the Sling TV app available on it. For me the price would be worth it then. I paid $200 for my Channel Master DVR+ and it doesn't do games. That was one of my plans when I got the Xbox One was to move my Channel Master in the bedroom once the OTA DVR functionality came to Xbox One, but it never did which was kind of a bummer. If they did like they said I wouldn't now be switching back and forth from Xbox One to Channel Master all the time and could just do every thing on the Xbox One. It would be awesome to have one device to do everything with(get on vudu watch a movie, get on youtube, get on netflix, sling tv, watch ota and record ota, and most important, play some games) all on one box and not having to swap tv inputs, turn one off, turn one on, grab this controller to do this, that one for this, etc. Edited September 28, 2017 by SignGuy81 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 This whole project is really puzzling, and after what we saw with the Retro VGS/Coleco Chameleon, I'm surprised so many members here seem ready to jump onboard with this. The similarities are just too much: Ataribox - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Coleco Chameleon - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Did I miss anything? Cartridges! vs Speaker Hat! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 If they put in a big enough hard drive and it has a digital tv tuner(or supports them via USB) so that it doubles as an over the air DVR(and has a nice channel guide like my Channel Master so I can scroll through and see what all is coming on without having to channel surf) that would be great and I could move my existing DVR in a bedroom. I would also want the Sling TV app available on it. For me the price would be worth it then. I paid $200 for my Channel Master DVR+ and it doesn't do games. That was one of my plans when I got the Xbox One was to move my Channel Master in the bedroom once the OTA DVR functionality came to Xbox One, but it never did which was kind of a bummer. If they did like they said I wouldn't now be switching back and forth from Xbox One to Channel Master all the time and could just do every thing on the Xbox One. It would be awesome to have one device to do everything with(get on vudu watch a movie, get on youtube, get on netflix, sling tv, watch ota and record ota, and most important, play some games) all on one box and not having to swap tv inputs, turn one off, turn one on, grab this controller to do this, that one for this, etc. Interesting. I use the Cloud DVR functionality built into Sling TV (I think it's $5 a month extra for the feature) and PlayStation Vue (included in the price). I get all my local channels streaming in my area on those (I use Nvidia Shield TV on our family room TV and Roku 4s on our other TVs). Anyway, I seriously doubt the Ataribox will have OTA functionality. It also might be tough getting several of those streaming apps on there that you are looking for, unless there are already Linux compatible apps or you're OK with running the Web versions. It's tough enough for some of the streaming box vendors getting decent or even a particular app on their boxes, so I don't anticipate Atari having an easier time of it. Quite the contrary, actually. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SignGuy81 Posted September 28, 2017 Share Posted September 28, 2017 (edited) Interesting. I use the Cloud DVR functionality built into Sling TV (I think it's $5 a month extra for the feature) and PlayStation Vue (included in the price). I get all my local channels streaming in my area on those (I use Nvidia Shield TV on our family room TV and Roku 4s on our other TVs). Anyway, I seriously doubt the Ataribox will have OTA functionality. It also might be tough getting several of those streaming apps on there that you are looking for, unless there are already Linux compatible apps or you're OK with running the Web versions. It's tough enough for some of the streaming box vendors getting decent or even a particular app on their boxes, so I don't anticipate Atari having an easier time of it. Quite the contrary, actually. I was just doing some wishful thinking. Luckily I do have the SlingTV app on my Channel Master DVR+ so that I don't have to swap from it to Xbox when I want to get on Sling, so I'm able to do all my TV watching on the DVR+. I've had Sling for awhile and never even paid attention that they had a cloud service I'm going to have to check that out. I just recently switched packages from Sling Orange to Sling Blue and am liking my newer channels. I get all my local stations with antenna and DVR working great(i like that I have fox on demand now with Sling so incase i forget to DVR something I can still watch) I just hate swapping inputs and controllers around to go from TV to gaming and wish one device could do it all. How are you liking Sony Vue, I was wondering if it is about the same as Sling or if it is more or less? Edited September 28, 2017 by SignGuy81 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 The cable companies are a PITA to deal with Amazon and Apple havent figured this out so I doubt Atari will rise to the occcasion. I've resigned myself to using two boxes: my Tivo for live and recordings, and AppleTV for streaming and purchased video. Amazon video is slow on the former and nonexistent on the latter (sheesh) so I would use one of my many game consoles if we watched that more (as we should). 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikeyBigNostril Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 This whole project is really puzzling, and after what we saw with the Retro VGS/Coleco Chameleon, I'm surprised so many members here seem ready to jump onboard with this. The similarities are just too much: Ataribox - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Coleco Chameleon - built up with months of talk - it does "retro" - branded with a well-known vintage video game brand - initial reveal shows they have nothing but 3d renders - no prototype - console won't really do anything that can't already be done much cheaper - $250+ price tag - crowdfunded with Indiegogo (which requires no prototype) - headed by a known shyster and bullshitter Did I miss anything? It does have a prototype doesn't it? Those latest pics aren't renders and you can see the UI on the monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 A video would be more convincing. Looking forward to seeing more. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JBerel Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I can see it all now...."What would you expect to pay for Ataribox? Well, when you think about the cost to buy every classic gaming system ever made, that would cost you hundreds or thousands of dollars. If you were to buy an actual arcade game, that would cost somewhere between $800 and $5000 for each game. If you were to buy IBM's Big Blue super computer, you'd have to pay millions of dollars. Ataribox is like taking all those things and putting them in a plastic 3D printed box on your simulated wood grain credenza. Atari will sell the Ataribox for $250 (or more). Think about it. That's basically an entire video arcade, super computer, and every home gaming system ever made for $250 (or more). Wow!" 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glazball Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 It does have a prototype doesn't it? Those latest pics aren't renders and you can see the UI on the monitor. I'd love to find out I'm wrong, but I've seen no proof of a prototype. A case on a desk next to a TV screen is NOT proof of a prototype. We've seen other projects pull trickery like this, and it seems like the Ataribox is going down the exact same road. Are we going to get fooled again? Like Flojo said, a video would be much more convincing if it was done transparently. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 29, 2017 Share Posted September 29, 2017 I'd love to find out I'm wrong, but I've seen no proof of a prototype. A case on a desk next to a TV screen is NOT proof of a prototype. We've seen other projects pull trickery like this, and it seems like the Ataribox is going down the exact same road. Are we going to get fooled again? Like Flojo said, a video would be much more convincing if it was done transparently. I would think if they had a complete, working prototype, they would go the higher profile Kickstarter route. Unless of course they want some distance from Gameband. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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