+tf_hh Posted October 3, 2017 Author Share Posted October 3, 2017 So, I assume that because of the thin PCB size it is still possible to insert the original keyboard mylar after using KEYCON for those systems that are still original ? Yes. The thickness of 0.8mm is the same like used in the 600XL, where a little adapter PCB with resistors is found. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3860001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 4, 2017 Author Share Posted October 4, 2017 Hi folks, all interested AtariAge members got their PN with payment details now. PCBs will be ordered in a few days, shipping out can be started in 2 weeks. Thanks for supporting this project! Best regards, Jurgen 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3860932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodLightning Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 (edited) Hi Jurgen, Payment sent for two boards. Will the final version be smaller as mentioned or same as pictured in first post? First version will likely suit my purposes fine, but smaller is even better! Edited October 4, 2017 by RodLightning Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 4, 2017 Share Posted October 4, 2017 Hello Jürgen I payed for two boards. I hope you are coming to the annual meeting of the ABBUC, otherwise I have to transfer more money. Sincerely Mathy Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 I payed for two boards. I hope you are coming to the annual meeting of the ABBUC, otherwise I have to transfer more money. Thanks, all fine. Will do so. Jurgen 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 5, 2017 Author Share Posted October 5, 2017 Payment sent for two boards. Will the final version be smaller as mentioned or same as pictured in first post? First version will likely suit my purposes fine, but smaller is even better! Thanks! The final board is 59x69 mm. I arranged the keys and the traces for the keys in that way, that you can cut the PCB after the last row of contacts without damaging anything, if you want. Jurgen 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) Jurgen, PayPalled and PMed you, adding an extra one Any pictures of the final board ? Do you have a reference for the push-buttons you used (with the higher and lower buttons) so I'll order the right ones ? Would this be right ? https://www.hobbyelectronica.nl/product/push-button-6x6x5/ Edited October 5, 2017 by Level42 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 (edited) I guess these need some extra wiring, would have been nice to have the various functions in various colors, easy to remember and find "in the dark" https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-1-set-12X12X7-3-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-Momentary-Tact-LED-5-Color/32825221825.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.8.B3HuPb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_5560015_10342_10343_10340_10341_10304_10307_10301_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_5370015_10059_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10339_10103_10102_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_5590015_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10312_10313_10314_5570015_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=f9ba1afe-9cbc-4728-9b3d-ebb1197d89ec&algo_expid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b-1&algo_pvid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b Edited October 5, 2017 by Level42 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 I guess these need some extra wiring, would have been nice to have the various functions in various colors, easy to remember and find "in the dark" https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-1-set-12X12X7-3-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-Momentary-Tact-LED-5-Color/32825221825.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.8.B3HuPb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_5560015_10342_10343_10340_10341_10304_10307_10301_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_5370015_10059_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10339_10103_10102_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_5590015_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10312_10313_10314_5570015_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=f9ba1afe-9cbc-4728-9b3d-ebb1197d89ec&algo_expid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b-1&algo_pvid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b Excellent timing - I have a project requiring 5 pushbuttons. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 You're welcome Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861600 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 5, 2017 Share Posted October 5, 2017 My choice of colors would be: Break : Orange Reset : Red Option: White Select: Blue Start : Green ......and only now I realize there isn't a HELP button.....mmmmm.....that's a bit of a shame.......HELP is very helpful with U1MB ........guess it should be possible to hack it on....maybe a Rev.2 Jurgen ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mathy Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Hello Andre My choice would be: Start: Blue Select: Yellow Option: Pink Reset: Purple Break: White But I guess those colors are not available (in this combination of colors) Sincerely Mathy (who owns two XEGS) 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NISMOPC Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 Thanks! The final board is 59x69 mm. I arranged the keys and the traces for the keys in that way, that you can cut the PCB after the last row of contacts without damaging anything, if you want. Jurgen Any chance of posting an image of the final version for us to admire. Oh yea, sent payment yesterday! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861690 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Do you have a reference for the push-buttons you used (with the higher and lower buttons) so I'll order the right ones ? Would this be right ? https://www.hobbyelectronica.nl/product/push-button-6x6x5/ Yes, these are right ones. It´s standard tactile pushbuttons with 6 x 6 mm and four pins. The height vary on the height of the actuator. A good international source (for U.S. residents and all other) is Mouser. Search for "OMRON B3F", then you will find a lot of suitable pushbuttons in different heights and colors. Jurgen Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 I guess these need some extra wiring, would have been nice to have the various functions in various colors, easy to remember and find "in the dark" https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/5PCS-1-set-12X12X7-3-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-Momentary-Tact-LED-5-Color/32825221825.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.8.B3HuPb&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_4_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_5560015_10342_10343_10340_10341_10304_10307_10301_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_5370015_10059_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10339_10103_10102_10052_10053_10107_10050_10142_10051_10084_10083_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_5590015_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10312_10313_10314_5570015_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_25,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=f9ba1afe-9cbc-4728-9b3d-ebb1197d89ec&algo_expid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b-1&algo_pvid=8d204d1c-4a4c-4b5d-b554-476258b4569b These pushbuttons are too big - 12 x 12 mm. You need 6 x 6 mm for my PCB. Using 12 x 12 mm there´s not enough space anywhere 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 Any chance of posting an image of the final version for us to admire. Of course, when the final version PCBs have come in Here´s a simple 3D model of the final PCB. The drill holes fits well in the real thing, this picture is made by a freeware Eagle BRD to 3D tool which has some bugs Jurgen Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861867 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Hello Andre My choice would be: Start: Blue Select: Yellow Option: Pink Reset: Purple Break: White But I guess those colors are not available (in this combination of colors) Sincerely Mathy (who owns two XEGS) I meant the LED buttons that I linked to Mathy......click the link to see the colors.. Was just "dreaming out loud" Edited October 6, 2017 by Level42 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) Of course, when the final version PCBs have come in Here´s a simple 3D model of the final PCB. The drill holes fits well in the real thing, this picture is made by a freeware Eagle BRD to 3D tool which has some bugs KEYCON_PCB_3D.PNG Jurgen Cool, what tool is that ?.....(buggy or not) EDIT: this one ? http://3dbrdviewer.cytec.bg/ Edited October 6, 2017 by Level42 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3861898 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 6, 2017 Author Share Posted October 6, 2017 EDIT: this one ? http://3dbrdviewer.cytec.bg/ Yes, this is the one I use. Some items are wrong or will be mis-interpretated. This website is online for years, I use the last Cadsoft Eagle version 7.7, maybe this programmer of this feature only fully supports up to Eagle 5.x or 4.x, but for quick view it´s a good thing. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3862046 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 6, 2017 Share Posted October 6, 2017 (edited) These are nice....not LED but different colors and sizes though....nice to recognize which is which by sight and touch https://nl.aliexpress.com/item/8-models-80pcs-6-6-Color-Tact-Switch-Tactile-Push-Button-Switch-Kit-Height-4-3MM/32822006797.html?spm=a2g0z.search0104.3.91.nsGaaV&ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_3_5570020_10152_10065_10151_10068_10344_10342_10343_10340_10341_10304_10307_10301_10060_10155_10154_10056_10055_10054_10059_10534_10533_10532_100031_10099_10338_10339_10103_10102_5590020_10052_10053_10142_10107_10050_10051_10084_10083_5370020_10080_10082_10081_10177_10110_10111_10112_10113_10114_143_10312_10313_10314_5560020_10078_10079_10073,searchweb201603_17,ppcSwitch_5&btsid=f944a4c2-9c6e-4163-8a8e-559192cadf9c&algo_expid=f7f47a1c-e1f1-480e-996f-e5bfbebe6ef0-12&algo_pvid=f7f47a1c-e1f1-480e-996f-e5bfbebe6ef0 Edited October 6, 2017 by Level42 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3862156 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+tf_hh Posted October 12, 2017 Author Share Posted October 12, 2017 Hi all, all paid orders are shipped out today already BR Jurgen 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3866074 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 12, 2017 Share Posted October 12, 2017 Wohoo, great !!!! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3866195 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RodLightning Posted October 19, 2017 Share Posted October 19, 2017 Boards arrived today. Thanks again for making yet another useful bit of hardware! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3871068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted October 20, 2017 Share Posted October 20, 2017 Board arrived today. Thanks again for making KEYCON.. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3872436 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Level42 Posted October 21, 2017 Share Posted October 21, 2017 (edited) Received my two boards a few days ago already and they're awesome !!! It will take some time until the coloured buttons will arrive from China so I picked up some black buttons today and installed them. I also already modded one of the boards. Not sure why BREAK was selected as one of the buttons by Jürgen but with the U1MB and the built-in tests I thought HELP would be a more useful key to have on this board.... So I scraped through the two tracks going to the BREAK button and found out what the combination HELP key was with this table: http://members.casema.nl/hhaydn/howel/logic/burched/atari800xl_kbd_matrix.gif HELP key is between 8 and 11 so soldered two wires to those lines....and it works.... You can do this with any key you like....but I guess the letter A isn't very useful.....for instance ;) Edited October 21, 2017 by Level42 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/270312-new-tiny-project-keycon-keyboard-adapter-for-xlxe/page/2/#findComment-3872994 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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