Kalani Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 6 minutes ago, philipj said: It still would be a great show piece for the Jaguar even if some of the animation could be scaled down... Think "Killer Instinct" on the SNES only with better animation. Something like that is possible for the Jag. As far as the human character is concerned, I think they were aiming for the "Bloody Roar" audience that was popular at the time this game was made. That's the only logic I can think of for them doing it in that way. It actually predates that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4294832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
philipj Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) 55 minutes ago, Kalani said: It actually predates that. You're talking about KI for the SNES...? Yes it predates Primal Rage 2, however the graphics and animation can be downsized to something manageable for the Jaguar like the way KI's was downsized for the SNES only the Jag can handle animation much better than the SNES if "Primal Rage 2" graphics as well as the animation if done in similar manner (KI SNES) only with the same level of animation as the arcade version instead of the frame-drop version like the SNES. It's like I'd mention in a previous post a few month back, the Jaguar isn't as good as the PlayStation 1, but it's better than an SNES or Sega Genesis and is possible to hit some sweet-spots that's not quite as good as a Sega Saturn, but much better than an SNES where arcade ports of some games are much more tangible on the Jag than what credit was given to the Jaguar in it's heyday. Or even an independent game with great graphics like "Native" for example and with the Skunkboard and the highly anticipated "SD Cartridge" still in the making, cartridge space shouldn't be a problem anymore. Although the SNES version of KI was limited to smaller sprites and the "Mode 7" effect, the Jag is much more capable than the SNES and can handle SNES style graphics with more animation and some 3D if you're lucky enough to make it all fit in and work smoothly. Edited June 19, 2019 by philipj Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4294852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalani Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 5 hours ago, philipj said: You're talking about KI for the SNES...? Yes it predates Primal Rage 2, however the graphics and animation can be downsized to something manageable for the Jaguar like the way KI's was downsized for the SNES only the Jag can handle animation much better than the SNES if "Primal Rage 2" graphics as well as the animation if done in similar manner (KI SNES) only with the same level of animation as the arcade version instead of the frame-drop version like the SNES. It's like I'd mention in a previous post a few month back, the Jaguar isn't as good as the PlayStation 1, but it's better than an SNES or Sega Genesis and is possible to hit some sweet-spots that's not quite as good as a Sega Saturn, but much better than an SNES where arcade ports of some games are much more tangible on the Jag than what credit was given to the Jaguar in it's heyday. Or even an independent game with great graphics like "Native" for example and with the Skunkboard and the highly anticipated "SD Cartridge" still in the making, cartridge space shouldn't be a problem anymore. Although the SNES version of KI was limited to smaller sprites and the "Mode 7" effect, the Jag is much more capable than the SNES and can handle SNES style graphics with more animation and some 3D if you're lucky enough to make it all fit in and work smoothly. Bloody roar was after primal rage two began development. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4294929 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lost Dragon Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Sadly getting the full run down on Battlezone 2000 is turning into a pipe dream. I've established contact with Rob Nicholson of Hand Made Software and asked if there is any truth to claims they were even planning to upgrade the Lynx version for the Jaguar, no response has yet come back and i'm not optimistic it ever will. I tried reaching Leviathan Media West people, after the documentation Scott Stilphen passed on showed them approaching Atari to see what the status of the Battlezone license was, as they were very keen to do an upgraded version for the Jaguar CD (this back in October 1995) , but no joy and no further documentation to show if Atari even replied to them at all. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4294932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlecRob Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Any playable game with a decent frame rate would be good on jaguar. Especially a game that was actually fun. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted June 19, 2019 Share Posted June 19, 2019 Well now that the sources appear to be available UMK seems like a good candidate Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295218 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 On 6/19/2019 at 8:02 AM, Lost Dragon said: Sadly getting the full run down on Battlezone 2000 is turning into a pipe dream. I've established contact with Rob Nicholson of Hand Made Software and asked if there is any truth to claims they were even planning to upgrade the Lynx version for the Jaguar, no response has yet come back and i'm not optimistic it ever will. I tried reaching Leviathan Media West people, after the documentation Scott Stilphen passed on showed them approaching Atari to see what the status of the Battlezone license was, as they were very keen to do an upgraded version for the Jaguar CD (this back in October 1995) , but no joy and no further documentation to show if Atari even replied to them at all. Shame. BZ2000 was my fave Lynx game. It really shines with the new LCD screen. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295653 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pacman000 Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 In October '95 Atari was probably beginning to realize there wasn't a way to save the Jaguar... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 By June 95 they reportedly stopped communicating with most of their developers. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295786 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalani Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 22 hours ago, JagChris said: Well now that the sources appear to be available UMK seems like a good candidate Why umk not mkt? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295803 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 Adventure 2000, with game design by Warren Robinette. (Every Atari console should have an Adventure game by Warren Robinette.) 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295813 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted June 20, 2019 Share Posted June 20, 2019 2 hours ago, Kalani said: Why umk not mkt? Whatever ones the source code is available for. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295877 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalani Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 2 hours ago, JagChris said: Whatever ones the source code is available for. Both mkt and umk. The n65 mkt and the psx 3do umk. I know n64 mkt is buildable. It's not the final build. I don't know about umk versions Are you a programmer? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JagChris Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 It looks like the PC release candidate was in there. That's pretty late build. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4295947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperOnion64 Posted June 21, 2019 Share Posted June 21, 2019 (edited) I would love to see Puyo Puyo Tsu on the Jaguar, Because no Puyo Puyo games were released on the Jaguar. I also would love a Jaguar port of Xenophage: Alien Bloodsport to happen because it was never ported to consoles. Edited June 21, 2019 by SuperOnion64 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4296453 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stdjxf15 Posted July 23, 2019 Share Posted July 23, 2019 I’d love to see a release of Steel Talons. I’m sure it would work well with a pro controller and would be feasible graphically, maybe using the same “engine” as Iron Soldier. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4315340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
7800JAGFAN Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Steel Talons was on the Atari Falcon and looked good, but I don't think it can be converted. Steel Talons or call me crazy, but an the arcade version of "Pitfighter" would be my pics. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4331063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefMan Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 Duke 3D!Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332498 Share on other sites More sharing options...
stdjxf15 Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 2 minutes ago, BeefMan said: Duke 3D! Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Man I wish. If anything maybe Duke Nukem I and II. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhoenixMoonPatrol Posted August 19, 2019 Share Posted August 19, 2019 I'd be happy to see Soul Star eventually completed and released on the system. I have it for Sega CD and its a beautiful game,the Jag version from what I saw on youtube is abit different in that a few things in it are changed around? Looked that way anyways. I hope someone can get the game on cart though,dont feel like selling blood just to play it someday along with BattleMorph on the cd system?? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 hours ago, stdjxf15 said: Man I wish. If anything maybe Duke Nukem I and II. DN3D came to the Mega Drive, so I don't see why not. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zerosquare Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 42 minutes ago, Arcadia said: DN3D came to the Mega Drive Correction: a game calling itself "Duke Nukem 3D" came to the Mega Drive. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arcadia Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 Inferior ports have always existed. Compare Doom on the Snes and Doom on the Jag, and it's obvious the Jag version of DN3D would've been better than the MD version. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+CyranoJ Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 31 minutes ago, Arcadia said: Inferior ports have always existed. Compare Doom on the Snes and Doom on the Jag, and it's obvious the Jag version of DN3D would've been better than the MD version. I beg to differm because one exists. Or, maybe after watching it, the non-existant one is better. Either way, if a pro makes the MD version and a total tool makes the Jaguar edition, the the MD would be better. Your logic is not only wrong, but crazy Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332900 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeefMan Posted August 20, 2019 Share Posted August 20, 2019 If only Heretic was ported to the Jag Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/291534-whats-your-pipe-dream-games-on-the-jag/page/5/#findComment-4332902 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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