rensoup Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Edit: 2020/11/11 Piccolo 1.03 Fix for duplicate unassigned pixels Fix for PMG auto size optimization not working (also added new textbox in the PSD converter tab) Fix for crash when picture has less than 5 colors Fix for "lock" functionality. Improved "lock" functionality. From now on, the archive will not contain the examples to keep the file size small (Download V1.02 to get them) piccolo103.zip Edit: 2020/10/31 The clash fixer tool evolved into a more complex colorizer tool: Piccolo 1.02, let's call this one the first official release... (Fix for .PSD filename not taken into account. Max source picture colour count bumped to 256 (oct 20) A tool to help create pictures enhanced with PMG colors for the A8(using an external paint program). Right now only mode4 is supported. (The archive is pretty big because it contains example videos) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here's a very simple tool that I wrote which fixes clashes for pictures that be displayed in mode4. it basically replaces color 3 or 4 pixels with the closest matching color if there are color 3 and 4 pixels (depending on which one is most used ) inside a 4x8 tile. Here's a test with a 5 color C64 pic: m4cf.zip piccolo102.zip Edited November 11, 2020 by rensoup piccolo 1.03 8 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 Hmmm..... I am reading between the lines... hmmm....! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4574977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 3 hours ago, rensoup said: Here's a very simple tool that I wrote which fixes clashes for pictures that be displayed in mode4. Nice. I'll check it out. 3 hours ago, rensoup said: and here are the C64 and the Atari version side by side (the A8 version is darker because it goes through Altirra) It's not darker "because it goes through Altirra) . In the palette of standard color modes, you cannot get the brightest color. It's only possible in GTIA9 to set the real white. And, also, the C64 image is dithered to fit to the C64 "C" Brightness levels. Interesting to see that the "white" on the Atari image fits better, while the darker colors get too dark. 8 values on the Atari vs. 5 values on the C64. Changing the values and dithering would result in a better picture on the Atari. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575012 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 (edited) Wha? C64 actually has 9 luma values (though I believe very early VIC-2 incarnations had somewhat less). There are 5 levels of black/grey/white, unsure what equivalence they have on the Atari. Generally their brightest is more so than ours so white might equate to "16 or 17" if that can be imagined. Edited June 30, 2020 by Rybags Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, Rybags said: Wha? C64 actually has 9 luma values (though I believe very early VIC-2 incarnations had somewhat less). There are 5 levels of black/grey/white, unsure what equivalence they have on the Atari. Generally their brightest is more so than ours so white might equate to "16 or 17" if that can be imagined. C64 II has 9 luma values. The original has about 5 . It was changed by the time. That's where discussions always get chaotic. Also when it is about "SID" Music. All the revisions have their typical sounding difference, while that 8580 isn't a real SID, as is meant when people talk about SID music. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575194 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 This is the C64 palette. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted June 30, 2020 Author Share Posted June 30, 2020 11 hours ago, emkay said: t's not darker "because it goes through Altirra) . In the palette of standard color modes, you cannot get the brightest color. It's only possible in GTIA9 to set the real white. And, also, the C64 image is dithered to fit to the C64 "C" Brightness levels. Interesting to see that the "white" on the Atari image fits better, while the darker colors get too dark. 8 values on the Atari vs. 5 values on the C64. Changing the values and dithering would result in a better picture on the Atari. Didn't know about GTIA9 but I meant the C64 version might not be coming from an emulator, maybe the original was drawn on a PC. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575456 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 1 minute ago, rensoup said: Didn't know about GTIA9 but I meant the C64 version might not be coming from an emulator, maybe the original was drawn on a PC. Yes. The C64 has a lot drawing tools, just like Timanthes. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575462 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 About the palette. Here is an old picture done by me in G2F. As there weren't colors changed in a DLI, all colors were just changable by setting the values. To have the real 8 values of brightness for all available colors is a benefit , inspite of the restrictions. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 4 hours ago, MrFish said: This is the C64 palette. Where's the rest of it? 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575516 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 7 minutes ago, snicklin said: Where's the rest of it? Funny that the C64 has no yellow. It's in fact a bright (little brownish) green. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575526 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted June 30, 2020 Share Posted June 30, 2020 20 minutes ago, emkay said: Funny that the C64 has no yellow. It's in fact a bright (little brownish) green. Well, it doesn't end there. There's no blue and there's no true red either. Then there's the issue of having no Caucasian skin tone. Altogether, some pretty glaring omissions. It would have been a better design if the 16-color palette could have each entry chosen from a pool of 256. 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
snicklin Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 17 hours ago, MrFish said: This is the C64 palette. MrFish, is this a C64 Tetris game above? Funny to see that they have no red either. But we have way more greens Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575876 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 They're approximations. Real yellow is brighter than that and I'm fairly sure they have a proper orange. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4575905 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, Rybags said: ...I'm fairly sure they have a proper orange. Where? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DjayBee Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 On the box SCNR 7 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576013 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+MrFish Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, DjayBee said: On the box SCNR Haha... yeah... on the same box that they have a proper red, yellow, and light blue. The fantasy world of advertising. Didn't Atari also use screenshots from Atari 8-bit games when advertising 2600 games? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576022 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 To be fair, even with such a crap palette, the quality of some of the C64 pictures are mindblowing. Many are simply impossible to convert on the A8. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 20 hours ago, emkay said: About the palette. Here is an old picture done by me in G2F. As there weren't colors changed in a DLI, all colors were just changable by setting the values. To have the real 8 values of brightness for all available colors is a benefit , inspite of the restrictions. Wondering how got those clashes fixed because when I load the original pic in G2F in fails quite badly (5th color and smart color enabled) ? I guess the orange bits are PMGs with prior 0 ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 37 minutes ago, rensoup said: Wondering how got those clashes fixed because when I load the original pic in G2F in fails quite badly (5th color and smart color enabled) ? I guess the orange bits are PMGs with prior 0 ? The trick is that "Gollum" is build on 4 colors. The 5th color is PMg. The background is the 5th color of the Playfield. And some PMg for the additional color. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576201 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 20 minutes ago, emkay said: The trick is that "Gollum" is build on 4 colors. The 5th color is PMg. The background is the 5th color of the Playfield. And some PMg for the additional color. ah, didn't expect that... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rensoup Posted July 1, 2020 Author Share Posted July 1, 2020 Here's a tricky one: And here's another one I found while browsing bitfellas.org ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 14 minutes ago, rensoup said: Here's a tricky one: And here's another one I found while browsing bitfellas.org ? The "Duck" might be possible. But a picture that needs that lot of tricks to get done, isn't a pic for G2F. The editor has too much bugs. Just like "you prepare everything" and one wrong move (not even a click) destroys the editing by changing the prepared values of everything. Till today I didn't get the logics why TeBe did it that way. The POP picture could be an easy task. It uses only 11 colors and the border has a color. You cannot import a picture like that into G2F directly. A lot hand redraw is needed. Even the gollum picture was done, changing the picture to 5 colors (grey) , and set the least used color to the background color . The 4 color import is error free then. Then I drew the missing color by editing the PMG. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576244 Share on other sites More sharing options...
emkay Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 1 hour ago, rensoup said: To be fair, even with such a crap palette, the quality of some of the C64 pictures are mindblowing. Many are simply impossible to convert on the A8. VICII has a higher color resolution by default. But they a re only mindblowing, if you think it is What the Atari is missing, isn't the color resolution. What's missing is the coders who take advantage of the color palette. Both gollum picuters can be displayed one after one on the Atari. But C64 cannot show one of them at all. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576253 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Irgendwer Posted July 1, 2020 Share Posted July 1, 2020 2 hours ago, rensoup said: Many are simply impossible to convert on the A8. ...and the interesting thing is, that this is vice-versa true, too. (Don't even have to take RastaConverter images for that...) 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/308575-mode4-clash-fixer-tool/#findComment-4576278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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