BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 In this episode, mentally disabled musician and entertainer Ray Jackson introduces and reviews the Bob Decrescenzo-designed home port of the 1980 arcade rarity from Irem, UniWarS, for the Atari 7800 ProSystem. #UniWarS #Atari7800 #TheAtariReport UniWarS.A78 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Weren't you told not to post this stuff here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: Weren't you told not to post this stuff here? That only applies on posting on existing topics, if it is in its own topic then that's OK, @CPUWIZ will voucher for me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 12 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: Weren't you told not to post this stuff here? And weren't you told to quit playing forum moderator? If you have a problem with something that someone is doing, file a report, let us handle it, and keep your peace. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 The first wave the bullets should be easier to see. I agree with that point. Great job for your first review. Lots of energy. It is not as easy at it looks making videos. ? Just be yourself, have fun and keep it real. ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, Jinks said: The first wave the bullets should be easier to see. I agree with that point. Great job for your first review. Lots of energy. It is not as easy at it looks making videos. ? Just be yourself, have fun and keep it real. ? Thanks! Actually it's my first review on 7800 games, and the same thing for the 8-bit computers/XEGS as well. I had already put up 11 previous episodes of both the 2600 and 5200 Editions each, and I'd love to invite you to subscribe to the channel as well. I promised all of my fans that I'd be putting up more content on more platforms than ever before and this is proof. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 11 minutes ago, Jinks said: The first wave the bullets should be easier to see. I agree with that point. Me and my friend were playing it and both agree that the bullets are very hard to see. Has anyone brought that up to Bob on the thread? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 37 minutes ago, AtariBrian said: Me and my friend were playing it and both agree that the bullets are very hard to see. Has anyone brought that up to Bob on the thread? I was afraid on alienating him or even offending him, even though that was never intended to be the case. I already have enough issues being able to relay my good intentions on a keyboard as opposed to doing it either in person or verbally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, BIGHMW said: I was afraid on alienating him or even offending him, even though that was never intended to be the case. I already have enough issues being able to relay my good intentions on a keyboard as opposed to doing it either in person or verbally. One of us will let him know don't worry. Brian tag your it! lol! ? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 hour ago, AtariBrian said: Me and my friend were playing it and both agree that the bullets are very hard to see. Has anyone brought that up to Bob on the thread? What sort of display are you using? Reason I ask is that I'm testing on a CRT, and they're pretty visible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+eebuckeye Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Glad you enjoy making videos and playing the games! Edited February 1, 2021 by eebuckeye 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 2 minutes ago, x=usr(1536) said: What sort of display are you using? Reason I ask is that I'm testing on a CRT, and they're pretty visible. I myself use a 2015-built Insignia 39" LED monitor/receiver and an HDMI hookup from a Sony STR-DH590 home theater receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 (edited) Hmmm... For the enemy shots, I only have a choice of 4 colors, and 2 of those colors change per wave... (actually that's true for all objects) Let me see what I can do... Thank you for the review! I've had this complaint as well about Berzerk / Frenzy, although it's too late for that one. Edited February 1, 2021 by PacManPlus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 10 hours ago, x=usr(1536) said: What sort of display are you using? Reason I ask is that I'm testing on a CRT, and they're pretty visible. Agreed. Under a CRT bullets are perfectly visible... 1 hour ago, PacManPlus said: I've had this complaint as well about Berzerk / Frenzy, although it's too late for that one. ...ditto with Berzerk/Frenzy. Issue here is a modern display and how well/poorly it (and other involved components) upscales and what kind of signal it is receiving as source. For instance, a 7800 output from a UAV video mod via S-Video is perfectly visible as well. I can vouch for that to my Samsung 4K. RF/Composite though, straight to a modern HD display or via a converter (and the quality thereof in itself and managing the source signal), may not perform nearly as well. Arguments can be made both ways regarding stock and intended target hardware. Certainly, any accommodation that can be made, Bob, would be wonderful. At the same time though, supporting both your vision for this game and everyone's setup display configuration may be a bit much, if even possible, to achieve an idealistic appearance of everything in the game. From that video though, I distinguish the enemy bullets from the first wave perfectly fine without a need to enlarge it. I would imagine when viewed live, it is even clearer and easier on the eyes. At a bit of a loss on how the bullets are difficult to see: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 8 minutes ago, Trebor said: Agreed. Under a CRT bullets are perfectly visible... ...ditto with Berzerk/Frenzy. Issue here is a modern display and how well/poorly it (and other involved components) upscales and what kind of signal it is receiving as source. For instance, a 7800 output from a UAV video mod via S-Video is perfectly visible as well. I can vouch for that to my Samsung 4K. RF/Composite though straight to a modern HD display or via a converter (and the quality thereof in itself and managing the source signal), may not perform nearly as well. Arguments can be made both ways regarding stock and intended target hardware. Certainly, any accommodation that can be made, Bob, would be wonderful. At the same time though, supporting both your vision for this game and everyone's setup display configuration may be a bit much, if even possible, to achieve an idealistic appearance of everything in the game. Was going to say I've seen this on modern displays but only through the RF side of things. Also the display itself matters as those with higher refresh panels will not have as much blur on motion as others. I could be wrong, but I know that Bob has an older AV mod in his personal 7800 for testing things so it is possible he isn't using RF output anymore to know about this being an issue or not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Yeah, modern displays do a fairly awful job of dealing with analogue RF input. Of the three HD TVs we have (all Samsungs from the 2012, 2013, and 2016 model ranges), you can watch the decline of RF input quality from 2012 (best) to 2016 (worst, and appallingly bad). The problem here is that LCD TVs don't process signals in the same way from manufacturer to manufacturer, so it's impossible to come up with a silver bullet that will make things workable for every TV out there. As general rules of thumb, however: Expect that the picture settings used for movies, sports, etc. will not be suitable for gaming Refresh rates may cause picture elements (not pixels exclusively) to have a reduced or absent appearance Colour temperature settings are likely to need adjustment There's no escaping LED/LCD element reaction times In short, expect to do a lot of experimentation with the TV's picture settings. Even then, there's no guarantee since the A2D conversion quality is likely out of your hands. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 I've been using my UAV modded 7800 to test with my CRT and the shots looks great. I switched to testing with RF to my CRT and its true that its hard to recognize the shots. Sorry, I should have tested with RF and will keep this in mind going forward. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 My setup, in which all 4 of my units are standard non-modded RF units, is all run through an RF-to-HDMI converter (with built-in analog tuner), hooked up to a multi-HDMI switcher (input 2 on it, used for that RF-to-HDMI analog TV receiver), outputted to a Sony STR-DH590 a/v receiver, then to my late-2015 Insignia LED HDTV. So you guys say it just might be my TV that is at fault after hearing most of you guys use a CRT unit to play your games on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Muddyfunster Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 3 minutes ago, BIGHMW said: So you guys say it just might be my TV that is at fault after hearing most of you guys use a CRT unit to play your games on. It's not that your TV is at fault, it's just that LCD/LED TV's work differently to old style CRTs. I have a nice Commodore CRT monitor but I don't use it as I don't have the space on my desk with my different systems, so my Samsung LCD stuck on the wall does just fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BIGHMW said: So you guys say it just might be my TV that is at fault after hearing most of you guys use a CRT unit to play your games on. It's not so much that the TV is at fault as it is the TV is just doing what the TV does, which doesn't necessarily match up to what a CRT would show. See my post above for suggestions on things to tweak on the TV. Can't guarantee they'll work for you, but they're a decent starting point at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 Well admittedly, my RF-to-HDMI converter has its own independent set of color/tint/brightness/contrast controls so you can set up only what you have hooked up to it without messing up the TV's own settings used for displaying other components. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, BIGHMW said: Well admittedly, my RF-to-HDMI converter has its own independent set of color/tint/brightness/contrast controls so you can set up only what you have hooked up to it without messing up the TV's own settings used for displaying other components. Right, but even if you do that, the TV's settings are still going to affect the picture from the RF-to-HDMI converter. Can your TV do picture settings that are different for each input? Some can; no idea if Insignia supported that or not, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted February 1, 2021 Share Posted February 1, 2021 Well as an example on the equipment I have. All of my RF consoles are a magnitude darker overall on my Sony LED/LCD in the game room. Some colors completely just aren't there when using RF. It was the main reason I first looked into AV upgrades for my classic consoles. I do have access to a few CRTs and even use a small 9" on my workbench, but for the bulk of my gaming, I wanted a larger display that I could use for both classic and modern systems. The ITC game room is pretty small compared to most so I always knew that trying to have both a decent size CRT and a modern flatpanel for high def stuff wasn't going to be possible. But as has been mentioned, with a UAV in place, I don't have these issues any longer through my setup and can keep the TV at a setting that works for all consoles at this point. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 1 minute ago, x=usr(1536) said: Right, but even if you do that, the TV's settings are still going to affect the picture from the RF-to-HDMI converter. Can your TV do picture settings that are different for each input? Some can; no idea if Insignia supported that or not, though. I don't think so, I don't know, but I only use one HDMI input (from the output of the STR-DH590 a/v receiver) to the TV and that's it. my HDMI multi-switcher does not have that it simply switches the input. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BIGHMW Posted February 1, 2021 Author Share Posted February 1, 2021 6 minutes ago, x=usr(1536) said: Right, but even if you do that, the TV's settings are still going to affect the picture from the RF-to-HDMI converter. I always keep that in mind when adjusting the controls onboard the RF-to-HDMI box I use, I never try to mess around with the TV's own controls as to not effect the great display on other components I already have hooked up to it (DVD/Blu Ray player, VCR, digital tuner, MP4 player, etc.) It seems like the gaming systems I own have a different picture quality of their own so I adjust only those on that converter's own controls. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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