J.U.G.S.™ Question for T-bird

[Gunstar]

There is one other important difference, very important, for someone who wants to get some of these new hombrews and lost titles and play them soon; two of those products are available NOW for anyone to buy that wants one, one is NOT available at this time and no one (except the maker themselves possibly) knows if or when it WILL be available again.

[Thunderbird]

I think stretching and bending are two different things.  anyway...

 

Are you trying to make a satire of Tyrant here, or do you really not understand fluid dynamics?

 

"Bending" is in fact stretching one side and compressing the other side of a piece of material.

 

Back onto the subject of JagFree/JUGS-DD/B&C Bypass.  I think the only thing these names represent that is different is the way the memory storage on the system is performed.  I remember reading that the way TBird has implemented the save feature is different from the JagFree way of doing things.  As all the products do the same thing essentially, I see this as being the only real difference between them

 

Our products don't roll distinct different features into one name. Our safer and more flexible method of EEPROM storage can be used on software loaded via any method, and has nothing to do with CD authentication. Think about how confusing it would be if software loaded with BJL required an EEPROM system that was named the same as our CD Bypass.

 

What if Microsoft named their OS "Windows XP", their word processor "Windows XP" and their browser "Windows XP" and then someone released a program and wrote "Requires Windows XP to run" on the advertisement.

 

Is any of this sinking in?

[Thunderbird]

There is one other important difference, very important, for someone who wants to get some of these new hombrews and lost titles and play them soon; two of those products are available NOW for anyone to buy that wants one, one is NOT available at this time and no one (except the maker themselves possibly) knows if or when it WILL be available again.

 

I didn't realize that product availability was important to jaguar fans. We'd all better stop developing Jaguar products because it's not available anymore.

 

Someone tell the guys in the 2600 forums that they are supporting a platform that hasn't been sold in 10 years. They should all switch over to the GP32, which is available now!

 

If you're going to make arguments for the sake of arguing, at least have the decency to bring up a valid point.

[LinkoVitch]

I think stretching and bending are two different things.  anyway...

 

Are you trying to make a satire of Tyrant here, or do you really not understand fluid dynamics?

 

"Bending" is in fact stretching one side and compressing the other side of a piece of material.

 

Yes I know.. but this is minimal, if you add tension to either end of a piece of copper wire it will stretch VERY slightly and then just snap. It is a soft metal, but also brittle. A coiled phone cable allows the wire to both maintain a shorter distance and also to flex with minimal stress on the copper wire, thus prolonging it's life.

 

Not exactly the right place for this topic really tho, and it's just re-itterating an old argument.

 

Back onto the subject of JagFree/JUGS-DD/B&C Bypass.  I think the only thing these names represent that is different is the way the memory storage on the system is performed.  I remember reading that the way TBird has implemented the save feature is different from the JagFree way of doing things.  As all the products do the same thing essentially, I see this as being the only real difference between them

 

Our products don't roll distinct different features into one name. Our safer and more flexible method of EEPROM storage can be used on software loaded via any method, and has nothing to do with CD authentication. Think about how confusing it would be if software loaded with BJL required an EEPROM system that was named the same as our CD Bypass.

 

What if Microsoft named their OS "Windows XP", their word processor "Windows XP" and their browser "Windows XP" and then someone released a program and wrote "Requires Windows XP to run" on the advertisement.

 

Is any of this sinking in?

 

The fact I was agreeing with you obvioulsy went right over your head. I was saying that Jugs-DD and JagFree-CD are different even tho both allow you to run unencrypted CD's, if you use the wrong one for the CD you won't necissarily be able to save your progress/score.

 

I have no idea why you think I was suggesting a single name for them both. It would be nice if a single standard was availible which had a nice standard non-confusing name.

[justclaws]

Hello,

 

I've got good news for you!

I didn't realize that product availability was important to jaguar fans.  

Good news!

It matters! Jaguar fans want to try new products like Painter today.

When products are available, they buy them, budget permitting...

When products are not, they buy other products, "retail therapy".

We'd all better stop developing Jaguar products because it's not available anymore.

Good news!

The Jaguar IS most definitely available. I can get one from Ebay,

from a variety of specialist retailers, or from various retro-gaming

stores, it's effectively as easy here as it was when Atari sold them!

Someone tell the guys in the 2600 forums that they are supporting a platform that hasn't been sold in 10 years.  

Good news!

I'm pleased to tell you that at least in Europe, the 2600 is still most

definitely available. You can buy them from Ebay, (new) from some

specialist retailers, retro-gaming stores, flea markets/car boot sales,

and a host of other places. More products are coming out regularly!

 

What should you tell somebody wanting a CD bypass to play

Painter? Wait? Wait for a copy of BattleSphere Gold on Ebay?

No, I'm sure you want Jaguar fans to have fun today, as well,

they'll buy BattleSphere later if you can release more copies.

After all, JUGS-DD is free with BattleSphere, so no issue there!

 

Cheers,

Richard / JustClaws.

[Thunderbird]

Yes I know..  but  this is minimal, if you add tension to either end of a piece of copper wire it will stretch VERY slightly and then just snap.  It is a soft metal, but also brittle.  A coiled phone cable allows the wire to both maintain a shorter distance and also to flex with minimal stress on the copper wire, thus prolonging it's life.

 

Actually, depending on the way you pull the copper wire and the way the wire is being fixed to the pulling mechanism, the wire will stretch quite a bit.

 

The reason copper is used in wire is precesely because it is a good combination of soft, inexpensive and not brittle.

 

 

I have no idea why you think I was suggesting a single name for them both.  It would be nice if a single standard was availible which had a nice standard non-confusing name.

 

The fact I was agreeing with you must have gone over your head. I was pointing out that we do exactly what you suggest and making the reasons why clear for those who would choose not to understand what you said.

[Atari_Owl]

I think stretching and bending are two different things.  anyway...

 

Are you trying to make a satire of Tyrant here, or do you really not understand fluid dynamics?

 

"Bending" is in fact stretching one side and compressing the other side of a piece of material.

 

Why am i getting in on this? *sigh*

 

Bending is indeed a combination of extension on one side and compression on the other so it DOES include stretching.

 

In the case of a coiled medium, the majority of deformation within the 'spring' arises from torsion and shear, assuming that it maintains its coil shape. (except under compression, but we're not talking about that here)

 

This will result in torsion shear stresses/strains in the material, which cannot be considered as logitudinal extension or compression as would be the case with the bending.

 

It does, however, involve a certain amount of stretching of the material in order for the material to change shape, by extension, shear or torsion, so there can be considered to be a certain amount of stretch, particularly as it should be possible to resolve the shear stresses into clear principle stresses.

 

Unlike linear extension, however, the amount of stress developed is controlled by the Shear modulus, which is of course related to the Elastic modulus by the Poisson's ratio determining the change in volume under extension.

 

It therefore comes down to a question of definition:

Is there longitudinal extension? Theoretically, no, in practice, a very little.

Is there torsional and shear strain? Yes very definitely.

Are parts of the material being stretched? Yes.

Is the copper wire under strain in a phone line?

Yes, but not very much.

 

On the other hand, its got nothing to do with fluid dynamics, unless the bending medium is interacting with a fluid, and everything to do with material mechanics.

 

Sorry for the waffle.

Cheers all.

[Thunderbird]

It matters! Jaguar fans want to try new products like Painter today. When products are available, they buy them, budget permitting... When products are not, they buy other products, "retail therapy".

 

I never said you couldn't or shouldn't. People are welcome to buy whatever they want.

 

The Jaguar IS most definitely available. I can get one from Ebay,  

from a variety of specialist retailers, or from various retro-gaming  

stores, it's effectively as easy here as it was when Atari sold them!

 

There is no supply chain for Jaguars, since they are no longer being manufactured. Since there happens to be one on ebay today merely means that you may or may not get one. Various retrogaming sites will sell you one as well, but it will cost you more money than Jags sold for in stores.

 

I'm pleased to tell you that at least in Europe, the 2600 is still most

definitely available. You can buy them from Ebay, (new) from some

specialist retailers, retro-gaming stores,  flea markets/car boot sales,

and a host of other places. More products are coming out regularly!

 

New 2600's are not coming out regularly. Just because you happen to find one locally doesn't make them available. The context in which "available" was being used means that they are obtainable by anyone who wishes to own one without searching hard or paying a lot of extra money.

 

You can find rare or "unavailable" games on ebay and in retro gaming stores too. But due to their high collectability, they are also usually expensive.

 

What should you tell somebody wanting a CD bypass to play

Painter? Wait? Wait for a copy of BattleSphere Gold on Ebay?

No, I'm sure you want Jaguar fans to have fun today, as well,

they'll buy BattleSphere later if you can release more copies.

After all, JUGS-DD is free with BattleSphere, so no issue there!

 

I would tell this person that there are 3 different readymade bypass solutions for the Jaguar and several do-it-yourself methods, and that they had to decide which one they would want to invest their money in depending on the factors important to them. i.e. low cost, collectability, added features, short waiting list, etc.

 

I would also remind them that they may already have everything they need to play the new painter and not even know it. You'd be surprised to discover how many people think they are missing something they need because of all the confusing terminology being used.

[Gunstar]

Hello,

 

I've got good news for you!

I didn't realize that product availability was important to jaguar fans.  

Good news!

It matters! Jaguar fans want to try new products like Painter today.

When products are available, they buy them, budget permitting...

When products are not, they buy other products, "retail therapy".

We'd all better stop developing Jaguar products because it's not available anymore.

Good news!

The Jaguar IS most definitely available. I can get one from Ebay,

from a variety of specialist retailers, or from various retro-gaming

stores, it's effectively as easy here as it was when Atari sold them!

Someone tell the guys in the 2600 forums that they are supporting a platform that hasn't been sold in 10 years.  

Good news!

I'm pleased to tell you that at least in Europe, the 2600 is still most

definitely available. You can buy them from Ebay, (new) from some

specialist retailers, retro-gaming stores, flea markets/car boot sales,

and a host of other places. More products are coming out regularly!

 

What should you tell somebody wanting a CD bypass to play

Painter? Wait? Wait for a copy of BattleSphere Gold on Ebay?

No, I'm sure you want Jaguar fans to have fun today, as well,

they'll buy BattleSphere later if you can release more copies.

After all, JUGS-DD is free with BattleSphere, so no issue there!

 

Cheers,

Richard / JustClaws.

 

That IS good news!

I was beginning to think that I was the only person that actually liked to be able to actually purchase Jaguar products and PLAY them! I was beginning to think that everone else was satisfied with printing out screenshots of games like Battlesphere Gold and taping them onto their TV's, and saying "Man! I'm SOOO happy this game was made, now I can sit and stare at a screenshot!

[Fredifredo]

Is it JAGWARS ?

 

who is Palpatine ? Thunderbird ?

 

 

sorry I'm french ....lol

[Gunstar]

If it is Jagwars I'm a smuggler/bounty hunter like Han/Bobafet Who believes in a "trusty blaster at my side" and think the force is a lot of cheap tricks and mumbo jumbo!

[Alex Czarnowski]

I didn't realize that product availability was important to jaguar fans. We'd all better stop developing Jaguar products because it's not available anymore.

 

Actually I believe that availability and price (both variables are closely connected with each other) of a product is an important factor for at least some group of Jaguar users. I would say it is easier to get A2600 or Protector SE than BS Gold now, especially in the range of A2600 price I think this is similar case to the Alpine and BJL or other dev system. Price, availability and functionality play important role here. It is also important how one can obtain Jaguar item - for example PayPal is not working every where and I guess TBird remembers my questions about how BS:Gold can be ordered. So at the end this might be a problem for people living outside US for example.

Just my 2 cents...

Cheers

[Thunderbird]

That IS good news!  

I was beginning to think that I was the only person that actually liked to be able to actually purchase Jaguar products and PLAY them! I was beginning to think that everone else was satisfied with printing out screenshots of games like Battlesphere Gold and taping them onto their TV's, and saying "Man! I'm SOOO happy this game was made, now I can sit and stare at a screenshot!

 

How exactly is it the developer's fault that you do not own a copy of a particular game? You seem awfully bitter about this that you have to mention it at every chance you get and even imply that you have been somehow wronged or cheated.

 

If a good show comes to town and sells out because I slept in my bed all morning the day tickets went on sale, does that mean the band is a bunch of crooks? Does that mean the promoter cheated you? Does that mean that the people who saw the show cannot discuss it in your presence? Does that mean that the band cannot tell stories about what happend at the show in your vicinity? Does this mean that media coverage of the event is forbidden? Does that mean concert T-Shirst cannot be advertised anymore? Does that mean that all CDs from the band are to be taken from the store shelves?

 

Why don't you grow up and stop making all your childish remarks. Throwing a temper tantrum and calling people names is not going to resolve any problems, and it makes it impossible for the people you associate with who do want to solve problems to start any meaningful discussion.

 

If all you have is veiled insults and flames, then you're much worse than anyone you ever criticized.

[Thunderbird]

If it is Jagwars I'm a smuggler/bounty hunter like Han/Bobafet Who believes in a "trusty blaster at my side" and think the force is a lot of cheap tricks and mumbo jumbo!

 

Boba Fett was swallowed by the Sarlac, who then belched.

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[Alex Czarnowski]

I think there is one more important issue we are missing. It's the possibility of having a choice between different products. It is a healthy tendency that for a such small market (comparing to other platforms) like Jaguar community there are few different solutions in very different price ranges.

Just my 2 cents,

Cheers and keep on developing new stuff