leech Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 On 5/2/2021 at 12:21 PM, Lord Mushroom said: I think they should just cut their losses and stop spending money on the VCS. Just make it as available as possible and thank heaven for every sale they get. At this point they would just be polishing the turd. Polishing a turd worked for Microsoft. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4815989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mushroom Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, leech said: Polishing a turd worked for Microsoft. In my opinion, they stopped polishing after XP, and started adding piss and puke. Microsoft had the advantage of being the biggest player on the market. I am sure the VCS would have had a much brighter future if it already had 1 billion units sold. Also, it is much harder to polish existing hardware than software. Edited May 3, 2021 by Lord Mushroom 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816002 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 20 minutes ago, leech said: Polishing a turd worked for Microsoft. What was wrong with the XBox(es)? Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816005 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mushroom Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 Just now, Stephen said: What was wrong with the XBox(es)? I think he meant Windows. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816006 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Mushroom said: I think he meant Windows. Ha, indeed! I wouldn't know about Xbox, as I refuse to give MS any more money. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816104 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Mushroom said: In my opinion, they stopped polishing after XP, and started adding piss and puke Win2k for me. XP looked like they were infiltrated by designers at Fisher Price. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816105 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 3, 2021 Share Posted May 3, 2021 I only follow this thread occasionally. So where's this new console from atari? Is it available in the bargain bin yet? As that's likely the only place I'll look. 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mushroom Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, leech said: Ha, indeed! I wouldn't know about Xbox, as I refuse to give MS any more money. I love you. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816164 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mushroom Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, leech said: Win2k for me. XP looked like they were infiltrated by designers at Fisher Price. I never had Windows 2000. Maybe it was even better, I mean even less bad. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816167 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Mushroom Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 38 minutes ago, Keatah said: I only follow this thread occasionally. So where's this new console from atari? Is it available in the bargain bin yet? As that's likely the only place I'll look. From what I understand, it is not in physical stores (yet). But I think you can pre-order it online. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816169 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 1 hour ago, Lord Mushroom said: I never had Windows 2000. Maybe it was even better, I mean even less bad. It was a cleaner interface, but still based on the more stable NT kernel. XP was their first attempt at ditching the difference between enterprise level (NT) and home (Windows 9x). Though it's funny, as their attempt at improving and adding in more things after XP was basically met with hatred in the thing known as Vista, it was mostly because Vista was a huge demand of higher spec machines for it to run anywhere near the speed XP did. XP would happily run on 512MB of RAM, Vista 'required' at least 2GB (sure it'd actually run on less, but man was it SLOW!) In my mind, any features they kept adding after Win2k have mostly been bloat. A few backend things like better driver architecture is nice. Probably the only good thing about Windows 10 is the driver architecture, and requiring a lot less reboots for updates. But it's also kind of stupid, as there are things that you'd kind of expect to require a reboot (like a video driver) that no longer requires one, but other things that do require a reboot (like random feature updates). But it's definitely better than the olden days, where most software would require a reboot to work right... Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816207 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 If I could get Win10 looking like XP, then I'd adopt it more readily. Under the hood, 10 is ok. But its cosmetics and skin need a dermatologist. A whole practice full of them even! Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816210 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Keatah said: If I could get Win10 looking like XP, then I'd adopt it more readily. Under the hood, 10 is ok. But its cosmetics and skin need a dermatologist. A whole practice full of them even! Tried this? Granted I think it mostly tries to make it more like Windows 7. http://classicshell.net/ Edit: Oops, that one is no longer in development... https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu Edited May 4, 2021 by leech 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816214 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 minutes ago, Keatah said: If I could get Win10 looking like XP, then I'd adopt it more readily. Under the hood, 10 is ok. But its cosmetics and skin need a dermatologist. A whole practice full of them even! Not to drag this any further off-topic, but my Windows 8.1 desktop still looks a lot like this with Classic Shell. Windows XP can be stripped down to a very Win2K-like look simply by switching to the Windows Classic theme. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816217 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, jaybird3rd said: Not to drag this any further off-topic, but my Windows 8.1 desktop still looks a lot like this with Classic Shell. Windows XP can be stripped down to a very Win2K-like look simply by switching to the Windows Classic theme. Classic Shell development is dead, added it to my edit https://github.com/Open-Shell/Open-Shell-Menu Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 (edited) I haven't. Eventually I'll need to try something. Just getting back an Explorer window like XP or 7 would be a godsend. Edited May 4, 2021 by Keatah 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted May 4, 2021 Author Share Posted May 4, 2021 To the question in the thread about whether ANY non-IndieGoGo backers have received their consoles, the answer is: Yes, some unknown number of Australian preorders have been fulfilled, and an unknown number of AtariVCS.com preorders have been delivered. The telltale sign is that the new box with both controllers inside of it that cost non-IndieGoGo peeps $389/99 has been received by people who posted about it on Facebook and elsewhere. Hard to know how many; I've seen something in the range of a couple of dozen. So, Atari clearly got a shipment post-IndieGoGo, including their post-backer bundle, and have been sending it out in recent weeks. They also (apparently) don't have enough to be comfortable announcing that preorders are being shipped. So, my guess is something like a partial shipment or first of X number of shipments arrived, and the rest is stuck in the same shipping crud as the rest of the world. Who knows, though. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 14 hours ago, leech said: Classic Shell development is dead Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Works fine as is. 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 14 hours ago, jaybird3rd said: Not to drag this any further off-topic, but my Windows 8.1 desktop still looks a lot like this with Classic Shell. Windows XP can be stripped down to a very Win2K-like look simply by switching to the Windows Classic theme. It isn't that hard, I always make my Windows look like 2K, you could not tell the difference between 2K and Win7 Ultimate, Win10 Pro is close enough to not want to kill myself. 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816560 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, youxia said: Yeah, but it doesn't really matter. Works fine as is. Point being, it is open sourced now as OpenShell. You would want to upgrade in case vulnerabilities are found. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 hours ago, CPUWIZ said: It isn't that hard, I always make my Windows look like 2K, you could not tell the difference between 2K and Win7 Ultimate, Win10 Pro is close enough to not want to kill myself. Ha, today I was chastised about "caring about things that don't matter" when I got pissed that MS is always trying to pull things to get people to log in via an MS email account so they can associate logins and their crappy store with an account. Seriously, I do NOT want to be logging into my local, non-group managed PC with an email account. Local account or GTFO! Sure would be nice if MS would stop that nonsense... 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816661 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 3 minutes ago, leech said: Ha, today I was chastised about "caring about things that don't matter" when I got pissed that MS is always trying to pull things to get people to log in via an MS email account so they can associate logins and their crappy store with an account. Seriously, I do NOT want to be logging into my local, non-group managed PC with an email account. Local account or GTFO! Sure would be nice if MS would stop that nonsense... It's optional, at least in 10 Pro and above. Home may be different, but I've never worked with Home except to replace it with Pro. Granted, they do push the cloud login pretty heavily. I've also seen it have no end of issues with properly syncing passwords between the local cache and Azure. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816665 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybird3rd Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 4 hours ago, CPUWIZ said: It isn't that hard, I always make my Windows look like 2K, you could not tell the difference between 2K and Win7 Ultimate, Win10 Pro is close enough to not want to kill myself. I do the same. The clean desktop and hierarchical Start Menu from Win2K is enough for me. Windows 8 and beyond make it harder to turn off the "improvements" they've tried to add since, but at least Classic Shell—and presumably its successors like OpenShell—give back some of that control. 54 minutes ago, leech said: Ha, today I was chastised about "caring about things that don't matter" when I got pissed that MS is always trying to pull things to get people to log in via an MS email account so they can associate logins and their crappy store with an account. Seriously, I do NOT want to be logging into my local, non-group managed PC with an email account. Local account or GTFO! Sure would be nice if MS would stop that nonsense... They keep making it worse. In new Windows 10 installations, the option to create a plain local account at all is hidden; as I recall, you have to go out of your way to choose the "Limited Experience" option, which I take to be their attempt to make a standalone account sound "bad" compared to a cloud account. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
youxia Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 24 minutes ago, leech said: Point being, it is open sourced now as OpenShell. You would want to upgrade in case vulnerabilities are found. I like to live dangerously. Come see me running Firefox 56.0 and my blocked Windows Updates. 22 minutes ago, leech said: Ha, today I was chastised about "caring about things that don't matter" when I got pissed that MS is always trying to pull things to get people to log in via an MS email account so they can associate logins and their crappy store with an account. People complain about stuff like that, then go and log into Chrome and everything else with their Google account. S'funny ? 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816677 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted May 4, 2021 Share Posted May 4, 2021 33 minutes ago, leech said: Sure would be nice if MS would stop that nonsense... I hear yah. All this nonsense stems from the perceived necessity to get everything and everyone online and connected. It's just a tiny way of nudging you in that direction. This belief that everything has to be connected or else isn't really the best way forward. But try telling that to the ignoramuses running big tech. 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/142/#findComment-4816686 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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