Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[mr_me]

7 minutes ago, jerseystyle said:

I’m actually referring to this exchange (almost a year old now!) between you and I. I pasted it below with my reply at the time. Seriously man, it’s okay to just admit you are speaking outside of your realm of expertise (which is… what exactly?)

 

 

Maybe if the former ceo had consulted the board of directors on some major decisions, he'd have been ceo a little longer.  Or maybe there was a difference of opinion on a major decision. The board of directors establish the direction of the company and the CEO's job is to carry that out. In this case the ceo is one of the directors. And yes majority shares do control the company.

[MrBeefy]

7 minutes ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

 

Yeah, DJC literally said that in a bar it would be cool to play poker on his phone with someone else in the bar also on their phone, and that using a deck of cards to play is just kind of crazy idea.

 

Um... isn't that exactly what Tommy and the Amico fans were saying was wrong with society and why Amico was needed? To get people to stop playing on their phones and interact with people in real life?

 

It's almost like they'll just desperately say anything to try and make anything Amico related sound good... 👀

Amico was suppose to bring families together on a couch in their home.

 

Now, it's to bring old men together in a bar, who are too innept to find a $1 deck of cards.

 

I mean I don't know how much further in the black hole you can move the goalposts.

 

I'm assuming they didn't discuss how this could already be done, and Amico Home adds nothing new?

 

This is why it was a Beefy Free Zone recommendation. Mrme needed a space that he can celebrate IE's great ideas without someone pointing out how what they are saying is so blatantly stupid.

 

[bojay1997]

3 hours ago, mr_me said:

Startups planning for an IPO, for example, is an exit strategy. And I've already said that's after success in the market.  An equity investor eventually has to sell their shares in order to realize a profit. A company acquisition could be years after product release.  I don't see any of that being outlandish.  And I'm saying this because I have seen samples with exit strategies.  And of course, most importantly, an investor needs to see a sound business plan that will make the company money.  Regardless of how poor this document is, which we don't even know if it was shown to investors, an exit strategy does not mean they didn't intend to release the product.

Not correct.  An IPO is a growth strategy.  The impact to investors would be to potentially change the nature of their investment into a different form that is more liquid.  It is not, however, an exit strategy unless individual investors choose to use it as such.  It's certainly not designed to be an exit strategy for the company and I reiterate that listing the specific names of companies that could acquire a startup is reckless at best and arguably a basis for a fraud claim.  Similarly, an IPO is not the only way that investors in a company can be compensated or recoup an investment.  Again, the fact that you don't have the appropriate educational or work experience background speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge in these matters.  I would strongly encourage you to stick to areas where you are actually knowledgeable and stop with the ridiculous claims based on having seen alleged "samples" of various things.    

[bojay1997]

38 minutes ago, mr_me said:

 

Maybe if the former ceo had consulted the board of directors on some major decisions, he'd have been ceo a little longer.  Or maybe there was a difference of opinion on a major decision. The board of directors establish the direction of the company and the CEO's job is to carry that out. In this case the ceo is one of the directors. And yes majority shares do control the company.

Not necessarily.  A company can structure its management and control structure in any lawful manner to which the various owners or investors agree.  Just because one of the owners or investors controls the majority of the shares does not mean they necessarily control the company.  These are also different classes of shares that can be issued and some do not have any voting power or control over the company.  Again, your lack of knowledge here is obvious.  This is first year business school knowledge that you are getting wrong.  Please stop making false claims because you clearly don't know what you are talking about.    

Edited July 13, 2023 by bojay1997

[MrBeefy]

4 minutes ago, bojay1997 said:

Again, your lack of knowledge here is obvious.  This is first year business school knowledge that you are getting wrong.  

 

[82-T/A]

So, pretty excited... I just got my AMICO in the mail yesterday. GameStop apparently charged me a couple of weeks ago and then almost immediately after, I received the UPS shipping confirmation, which arrived last night (it was actually on my door step when I got up this morning).

 

First thoughts, packaging is pretty awesome... very "Apple-esq" so pretty cool... will definitely keep the box. It's a little bit smaller than my Atari VCS. I didn't have time to turn it on yet, too much going on at work, but I'll set it up either tonight or tomorrow. I was checking it out though, and noticed that the FCC ID is a bunch of zeros, Xs and Os... which I thought was odd. Otherwise, really fantastic fit and finish.

 

How many others have gotten there's? Feels like back in the day when I was waiting for the call from the Pontiac dealer about my new Pontiac Solstice that I'd special ordered after watching the Apprentice... I was so psyched when the call came in and they said... "Mr. Jaspers... your Solstice is here. You'd better come get it quick... it's on the showroom floor and people keep offering to pay double. See you soon..."

 

I wonder if I can play the old AD&D Intellivision game on it... anyway... pretty psyched.

[MrBeefy]

5 minutes ago, 82-T/A said:

So, pretty excited... I just got my AMICO in the mail yesterday. GameStop apparently charged me a couple of weeks ago and then almost immediately after, I received the UPS shipping confirmation, which arrived last night (it was actually on my door step when I got up this morning).

 

First thoughts, packaging is pretty awesome... very "Apple-esq" so pretty cool... will definitely keep the box. It's a little bit smaller than my Atari VCS. I didn't have time to turn it on yet, too much going on at work, but I'll set it up either tonight or tomorrow. I was checking it out though, and noticed that the FCC ID is a bunch of zeros, Xs and Os... which I thought was odd. Otherwise, really fantastic fit and finish.

 

How many others have gotten there's? Feels like back in the day when I was waiting for the call from the Pontiac dealer about my new Pontiac Solstice that I'd special ordered after watching the Apprentice... I was so psyched when the call came in and they said... "Mr. Jaspers... your Solstice is here. You'd better come get it quick... it's on the showroom floor and people keep offering to pay double. See you soon..."

 

I wonder if I can play the old AD&D Intellivision game on it... anyway... pretty psyched.

You will never go back to playing darts in a bar thebold fashioned way ever again! Family bar gaming saved again! Just 3.199999999999999 billion more to go!

[82-T/A]

1 minute ago, MrBeefy said:

You will never go back to playing darts in a bar thebold fashioned way ever again! Family bar gaming saved again! Just 3.199999999999999 billion more to go!

I hope so... because honestly, when my 14 year old daughter plays darts and cards at the local bar, it does make me nervous at all the 40 years olds that crowd around. I'm hoping that my Amico will solve this.

[Cebus Capucinis]

[MrBeefy]

30 minutes ago, 82-T/A said:

I hope so... because honestly, when my 14 year old daughter plays darts and cards at the local bar, it does make me nervous at all the 40 years olds that crowd around. I'm hoping that my Amico will solve this.

Just don't let her have any Care Bears memorabilia on her, or that swarm will become tenfold.

[mr_me]

50 minutes ago, bojay1997 said:

Not correct.  An IPO is a growth strategy.  The impact to investors would be to potentially change the nature of their investment into a different form that is more liquid.  It is not, however, an exit strategy unless individual investors choose to use it as such.  It's certainly not designed to be an exit strategy for the company and I reiterate that listing the specific names of companies that could acquire a startup is reckless at best and arguably a basis for a fraud claim.  Similarly, an IPO is not the only way that investors in a company can be compensated or recoup an investment.  Again, the fact that you don't have the appropriate educational or work experience background speaks volumes about your lack of knowledge in these matters.  I would strongly encourage you to stick to areas where you are actually knowledgeable and stop with the ridiculous claims based on having seen alleged "samples" of various things.    

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't change the fact that it does get labeled exit strategy in these things, and there's a reason for that.  Investors wants to profit from their investment and selling their shares, at some point, is an obvious way to do that.

 

 

 

48 minutes ago, bojay1997 said:

Not necessarily.  A company can structure its management and control structure in any lawful manner to which the various owners or investors agree.  Just because one of the owners or investors controls the majority of the shares does not mean they necessarily control the company.  These are also different classes of shares that can be issued and some do not have any voting power or control over the company.  Again, your lack of knowledge here is obvious.  This is first year business school knowledge that you are getting wrong.  Please stop making false claims because you clearly don't know what you are talking about.    

Okay, not necessarily, but is the case for a lot of companies. In this case no one person has a majority of shares anyway so it would take a minimum two or three people to establish control.  All the major shareholders were on the board of directors.

 

 

 

 

Edited July 13, 2023 by mr_me

[MrBeefy]

 

 

[bojay1997]

27 minutes ago, mr_me said:

I agree with what you're saying but it doesn't change the fact that it does get labeled exit strategy in these things, and there's a reason for that.  Investors wants to profit from their investment and selling their shares, at some point, is an obvious way to do that.

 

 

 

Okay, not necessarily, but is the case for a lot of companies. In this case no one person has a majority of shares anyway so it would take a minimum two or three people to establish control.  All the major shareholders were on the board of directors.

 

 

 

 

Just stop.  You've literally undercut both of the initial statements that you claimed were facts.  You're not qualified to make the statements you are making.  Either take the time to get the appropriate education and experience or just stop.  You're wasting everyone's time.  

[82-T/A]

5 minutes ago, bojay1997 said:

Just stop.  You've literally undercut both of the initial statements that you claimed were facts.  You're not qualified to make the statements you are making.  Either take the time to get the appropriate education and experience or just stop.  You're wasting everyone's time.  

 

What we need to do, is have rules passed that prevent hedge funds from being able to VOTE with anything more than 24% of their common stock of a company. And then, members of the board of directors should not be allowed to vote with their shares... either by converting them to preferred stock, or some other means of restriction.

 

Kills me that so many companies get manipulated by the hedge funds to do certain things that no one else wants, totally in defiance of the goals of what the actual users of the product want. This is why so many people have praised what Wall Street Bets has done... but I suppose this is a discussion for a whole other thread.

 

On IPOs... can someone point me to an IPO that actually held it's initial value, and didn't tank almost immediately within a month or so? I'm sure there are some, but it seems like all the sought-after ones, people buy the IPO and then when it goes live, everything gets sold off and the stock tanks, sometimes to half its value before it slowly climbs back up.

Edited July 13, 2023 by 82-T/A

[Cebus Capucinis]

 

As a practicing corporate attorney (with a law degree and everything!), that's all I'll say. Not touching this one anymore.

[MrBeefy]

1 hour ago, Cebus Capucinis said:

 

As a practicing corporate attorney (with a law degree and everything!), that's all I'll say. Not touching this one anymore.

Smart man to back into my yard. Ready for the great Amur Amico News Watch 2023? Want to play some cornhole? 

We can hit the bars later and play cards on our phones.

Edited July 13, 2023 by MrBeefy

[+GoldLeader]

4 hours ago, MrBeefy said:

 

It's almost as if they just want to continue to stall, drag feet, and make announcements, without actually doing anything. 😏

 

4 hours ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

 

 

It's almost like they'll just desperately say anything to try and make anything Amico related sound good... 👀

 

It's ALMOST...

 

Sure,...Almost spray some coffee out of my nose first thing...

 

Beefy,  Steve,

 

In case I haven't mentioned it before,

 

You're funny guys.  

 

4 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

 I speak as someone who has been on boards AND as someone who has served as CEO. Boards are not involved in decision making and they’re level of involvement isn’t based on who has the most shares. A board’s function is to hire/fire the CEO/Director according to their overall goals for the company.  The CEO’s role is to perform to the level agreed upon when hired. They do not run the operations of the company beyond that. What you’ve said here is, in fact, so incorrect it calls into question the veracity of all your other responses. Where are you pulling your information from? What is your job and area of expertise? I’m not saying you are lying but in this case you are badly misinformed.

 

Where is he pulling his information from?  Whoa!,  Whoa doggie!  I thought we were trying to keep this thing Family Friendly over here!...Like a poker game in a bar,  or something...

 

I don't know,  but if I had to guess...

 

I'd say he's pulling info straight outta the ol' Tallarico!

[MattPilz]

On 7/11/2023 at 12:11 PM, SteveTheColecoDude said:

 

 

Ok Tommy...

This price dispute, like a lot of drama in the Amico world, wouldn't had been a big deal at all if Tommy had just acknowledged it truthfully. It's understandable that production costs fluctuate. It's also sensible that his original ranges before the system had actually been developed would be subject to change. But when he goes on to accuse others of lying and spreading misinformation just to avoid admitting he made even one innocuous error, that's what people take offense to.

 

PRGE 2018: $149-179 is the price point that we're going for... So it will be somewhere in between there. We're hoping for $149 but this gives me a little bit of room. Because if we come up with something so cool, or some new technology hits in six months from now. And we've gotta get it in the system. And it's going to cost us $10 more to make. I don't want to not do that and say "oh gee I told those people a year ago it was going to be $149 or whatever." So we're giving ourselves a little room but I just wanted to tell people the price range that we're looking at. Under $200, way under $200.

 

[rayik]

23 minutes ago, MattPilz said:

This price dispute, like a lot of drama in the Amico world, wouldn't had been a big deal at all if Tommy had just acknowledged it truthfully. It's understandable that production costs fluctuate. It's also sensible that his original ranges before the system had actually been developed would be subject to change. But when he goes on to accuse others of lying and spreading misinformation just to avoid admitting he made even one innocuous error, that's what people take offense to.

 

PRGE 2018: $149-179 is the price point that we're going for... So it will be somewhere in between there. We're hoping for $149 but this gives me a little bit of room. Because if we come up with something so cool, or some new technology hits in six months from now. And we've gotta get it in the system. And it's going to cost us $10 more to make. I don't want to not do that and say "oh gee I told those people a year ago it was going to be $149 or whatever." So we're giving ourselves a little room but I just wanted to tell people the price range that we're looking at. Under $200, way under $200.

 

Yes, agree 100%.  All TT had to was say our original price target was $149 - $179 but as we developed the console we realized it had to be priced higher. There may be grumbling that the price has gone up, but the discussion will be about the console and not about liars, haters ad nauseam. 

[MrBeefy]

36 minutes ago, MattPilz said:

This price dispute, like a lot of drama in the Amico world, wouldn't had been a big deal at all if Tommy had just acknowledged it truthfully. It's understandable that production costs fluctuate. It's also sensible that his original ranges before the system had actually been developed would be subject to change. But when he goes on to accuse others of lying and spreading misinformation just to avoid admitting he made even one innocuous error, that's what people take offense to.

 

PRGE 2018: $149-179 is the price point that we're going for... So it will be somewhere in between there. We're hoping for $149 but this gives me a little bit of room. Because if we come up with something so cool, or some new technology hits in six months from now. And we've gotta get it in the system. And it's going to cost us $10 more to make. I don't want to not do that and say "oh gee I told those people a year ago it was going to be $149 or whatever." So we're giving ourselves a little room but I just wanted to tell people the price range that we're looking at. Under $200, way under $200.

 

He's incapable of admitting fault, and had to double down on lies or other BS.

 

He couldn't even admit he spelled, Peak, incorrectly in his videos. Instead he said it was a double entendre. Let us let that sink in for a moment.

 

Instead of saying, I misspelled something, he (a 50+ year old man with no kids of his own), would rather put basically a joke about peak having a double meaning like, penis, IN A TRAILER FOR HIS KID FRIENDLY CONSOLE NO LESS.

 

Now pair that with him talking to that Lukas kid (a minor) about Custers Revenge and such. 

 

Putting penis jokes and talking with minors about porn related stuff? If that isn't the biggest red flag, I don't know what is.

 

BUT BY GOLLY HE DIDN'T GET THAT PRICE WRONG! 

[SteveTheColecoDude]

1 hour ago, MrBeefy said:

He's incapable of admitting fault, and had to double down on lies or other BS.

 

He couldn't even admit he spelled, Peak, incorrectly in his videos. Instead he said it was a double entendre. Let us let that sink in for a moment.

 

Instead of saying, I misspelled something, he (a 50+ year old man with no kids of his own), would rather put basically a joke about peak having a double meaning like, penis, IN A TRAILER FOR HIS KID FRIENDLY CONSOLE NO LESS.

 

Now pair that with him talking to that Lukas kid (a minor) about Custers Revenge and such. 

 

Putting penis jokes and talking with minors about porn related stuff? If that isn't the biggest red flag, I don't know what is.

 

BUT BY GOLLY HE DIDN'T GET THAT PRICE WRONG! 

 

Yeah that "peak" thing was ridiculous.

 

 

Was he also misspelling it everywhere else for the same reason?

 

 

 

 

He also said that he left Cornhole misspelt as "Conhole" in a trailer/screenshots as an "easter-egg". This was around the same time he made fun of Atari for misspelling things

 

Tommy's inability to admit the slightest fault is a huge red flag on his character. It would be so simple to say "Oops, thanks for noticing we'll fix it asap!" but he can't even do that.

[MrBeefy]

13 minutes ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

 

Yeah that "peak" thing was ridiculous.

 

 

Was he also misspelling it everywhere else for the same reason?

 

 

 

 

He also said that he left Cornhole misspelt as "Conhole" in a trailer/screenshots as an "easter-egg". This was around the same time he made fun of Atari for misspelling things

 

Tommy's inability to admit the slightest fault is a huge red flag on his character. It would be so simple to say "Oops, thanks for noticing we'll fix it asap!" but he can't even do that.

NOW YOU'VE DONE IT! Time for the Amicolytes to try and dox you! You DON'T EVER point out company trailers with misspellings that uses Edutainment as a talking point! NEVER!

He's right. I do mind older men targeting my child and other children with phallic messages. 

 

[jerseystyle]

22 minutes ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

 

 

Tommy's inability to admit the slightest fault is a huge red flag on his character. It would be so simple to say "Oops, thanks for noticing we'll fix it asap!" but he can't even do that.

For sure. He was unwilling to engage in any actual conversation beyond sycophantic top ups. It’s crazy to me that people still defend him as a competent, forward thinking person. He was a bully, a coward, a thief, and oftentimes made very inappropriate sexual comments WHILE ACTING AS CEO. And I’m speaking as someone who had quite a few positive conversations with him on this forum and was all in on buying an Amico on release. 

[MrBeefy]

2 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

For sure. He was unwilling to engage in any actual conversation beyond sycophantic top ups. It’s crazy to me that people still defend him as a competent, forward thinking person. He was a bully, a coward, a thief, and oftentimes made very inappropriate sexual comments WHILE ACTING AS CEO. And I’m speaking as someone who had quite a few positive conversations with him on this forum and was all in on buying an Amico on release. 

Oh I wished him well via PMs about how I liked the idea etc.

 

The guy just wouldn't shut up or put up. If you followed what he said he conflicted himself and changed information all the time. That's what was so funny about watching this. The guy showed no real direction, while attacking people like Pat because he as the CEO couldn't get their PR right.

 

All I wanted was to see why Amico would be a good option for Junior Beefy's first console. It got to a point where it should have been past the "idea stage". It seems like they are still trying to figure out what Amico is. I wanted to see it succeed, but I'm not going to ignore lies and inconsistencies. 

 

Saying they have Sesame Street games (not really showing even) isn't enough, when Junior Beef's $27 tablet plays those same games and more. Despite what idiots here thought, I was the target demographic. I don't care about the wannabe Astreroids or about an out of date blocky running man.

 

They continually demonstrated the market was for primarily older white men who were often inappropriate with their behavior. Which conflicted with the idea of "family friendly".

 

So yeah there was no actual discussion, and if you tried he would spew verbal diarrhea. He wanted me banned from AA completely because of the whole "Peak" thing.

 

It was laughable and a testament to how little he and the company had a clue. This console was "done" in 2019. It had nothing to do with Covid, Pat, or made up haters. Just a bad idea which was executed even worse/not at all.

 

Edit: speaking of done. The great Amur Amico News Watch 2023 continues!

Edited July 14, 2023 by MrBeefy
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[Matt_B]

3 hours ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

He also said that he left Cornhole misspelt as "Conhole" in a trailer/screenshots as an "easter-egg". This was around the same time he made fun of Atari for misspelling things

The way things have panned out, "Conhole" was probably the more appropriate spelling.