Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 15 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: He said try 1 or 2, let's see tomorrow. Sorry, my fault. Try 2 or 3. Or 1 (custom) with parameters from 2 or 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 2 minutes ago, AtariYMás009 said: no, they are product of disabling vsync directly on stella in my PC VSYNC is really important. It was one of the main reasons why Stella switched to hardware rendering. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Ben from Plaion said: He said try 1 or 2, let's see tomorrow. I'm happy to try out the version with audio.preset=2 or 3 45 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Sorry, my fault. Try 2 or 3. Or 1 (custom) with parameters from 2 or 3. @Ben from Plaion Is it too late to ask for a build with audio.preset=3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Dionoid said: I'm happy to try out the version with audio.preset=2 or 3 @Ben from Plaion Is it too late to ask for a build with audio.preset=3? I can ask. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 1 hour ago, Albert said: I'm already sending him a package, so I can include a Penult cartridge. ..Al FWIW, I can confirm that the PRGE release of Penult does not work with the 2600+. The ROM cycles between "Loading Game" and "Loading Game Failed". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 6 minutes ago, sramirez2008 said: FWIW, I can confirm that the PRGE release of Penult does not work with the 2600+. The ROM cycles between "Loading Game" and "Loading Game Failed". Yeah, it's not going to work with the current firmware, as it's a Melody-based game. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Just now, Albert said: Yeah, it's not going to work with the current firmware, as it's a Melody-based game. ..Al I can help test Penult with a future firmware if you'd like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 Not related to the 1.1 beta maybe the next alpha tho. Been playing impossible mission PAL 7800 on 1.0 and noticed some slight glitching when going up and down on elevators/lifts(UK)lol . interference across the middle of the screen. Is this a bug in the game or an emulation refresh rate issue? 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 3 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: VSYNC is really important. It was one of the main reasons why Stella switched to hardware rendering. Vsync is basically mandatory? If so fingers crossed for audio preset changes! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 21 minutes ago, shane857 said: Not related to the 1.1 beta maybe the next alpha tho. Been playing impossible mission PAL 7800 on 1.0 and noticed some slight glitching when going up and down on elevators/lifts(UK)lol . interference across the middle of the screen. Is this a bug in the game or an emulation refresh rate issue? 🤔 Could you maybe show a video? On V1.1 I did not see something strange when using the elevator in Impossible Mission. Gonna play it longer tomorrow. I see some flicker when scrolling up in two other 7800 PAL games on V1.0 and V1.1: I found flickering backgrounds in Commando (grey background in secret levels) when scrolling upwards. In Midnight Mutants some bushes and the windows of the mansion are flickering when scrolling up. This does not happen on real HW. 20240102_192058.mp4 20240102_191445.mp4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Vsync is basically mandatory? Without vsync any illusion of the 2600+ being a real 2600 is immediately out the window.. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 16 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Vsync is basically mandatory? Without VSYNC, the screen display will have tearing. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 18 minutes ago, DEANJIMMY said: Could you maybe show a video? On V1.1 I did not see something strange when using the elevator in Impossible Mission. Gonna play it longer tomorrow. I see some flicker when scrolling up in two other 7800 PAL games on V1.0 and V1.1: I found flickering backgrounds in Commando (grey background in secret levels) when scrolling upwards. In Midnight Mutants some bushes and the windows of the mansion are flickering when scrolling up. This does not happen on real HW. 20240102_192058.mp4 20240102_191445.mp4 Looks like pixel shimmer to me caused by the game display not being scaled 1:1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blinky Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 5 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: But anyway surely CPU power is not the issue because higher frame rates and hz work fine. The CPU can have trouble keeping up. In the Bang! PAL50 demo part 7, the greetings part. emulation slows down considerably once the UFO launches and the colorful background animations appear. you can watch it here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 9 Author Share Posted January 9 30 minutes ago, Blinky said: The CPU can have trouble keeping up. In the Bang! PAL50 demo part 7, the greetings part. emulation slows down considerably once the UFO launches and the colorful background animations appear. you can watch it here. Looks smooth as silk to me, but I haven't seen the game running on original hardware to compare. Of course we all know you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 42 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Looks like pixel shimmer to me caused by the game display not being scaled 1:1 Dr. Karnov showed me vid of Midnight Mutants PAL which looked the same on his TV. Commando PAL didn't work by that time, so we could not compare. I could connect the 2600+ to the same TV of the real HW but expect the effect is not (only) TV related. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 9 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Looks smooth as silk to me, but I haven't seen the game running on original hardware to compare. Of course we all know you are right. Compare with the Bang! demo video at YouTube. From the launch until the end of the stars effect, the 2600+ is lagging ~6 seconds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 (edited) 1 hour ago, Blinky said: The CPU can have trouble keeping up. In the Bang! PAL50 demo part 7, the greetings part. emulation slows down considerably once the UFO launches and the colorful background animations appear. you can watch it here. It seems that when a lot of things are happening on the screen plus music is playing, that's when the CPU/GPU currently is not able to keep up. E.g. the intro screen of EPYX California Games on the 2600+ is slower than on original hardware. I'm also keeping my fingers crossed for the audio preset changes to have a positive effect on performance... Edited January 9 by Dionoid Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TornadoTJ Posted January 9 Share Posted January 9 CX22 works in joystick mode for games such as Freeway, but will not control 7800 Centipede TB in either trackball mode or joystick mode (not working in joystick mode does not surprise me) Can anyone else confirm they are seeing the same problem? I really wanted to play Centipede TB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWesties Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 Does keystone Kapers and millipede for the 2600 work? I can’t seem to get them going Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+LS650 Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 28 minutes ago, TurboWesties said: Does keystone Kapers and millipede for the 2600 work? I can’t seem to get them going Both run fine on my Plus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TurboWesties Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) Just got both going, but man is the cartridge slot a lot fussier than my 7800. With the original hardware, in and running in one go. With the plus (or maybe my plus) I have to try several times, even tilting the cartridge a bit (especially with Activision games). Is this a common experience? Is there a way to make this a bit more reliable to use? Edited January 10 by TurboWesties Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 6 hours ago, TornadoTJ said: CX22 works in joystick mode for games such as Freeway, but will not control 7800 Centipede TB in either trackball mode or joystick mode (not working in joystick mode does not surprise me) Can anyone else confirm they are seeing the same problem? I really wanted to play Centipede TB. TB is not supported on prosystem (7800 mode of 2600+), same with paddles. I hope that will change in the near future! Edited January 10 by DEANJIMMY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 4 hours ago, TurboWesties said: Just got both going, but man is the cartridge slot a lot fussier than my 7800. With the original hardware, in and running in one go. With the plus (or maybe my plus) I have to try several times, even tilting the cartridge a bit (especially with Activision games). Is this a common experience? Is there a way to make this a bit more reliable to use? Only cleaning the carts helps. Please read the thread about Activision carts or Cleaning carts. After cleaning, my carts run fine when inserting them with both hands. But some carts fail on the plus while working on real HW and vice versa. This is an individual thing to carts and slots. Some people have with some of their carts bad luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 10 Share Posted January 10 (edited) 10 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: Looks like pixel shimmer to me caused by the game display not being scaled 1:1 The flicker effect when scrolling Commando 7800 in a secret room on a Sony TV is less than on my Samsung but noticable (both in game mode). My modded 7800 via Retrotink5x does not show this effect so strong. Its the kind of graphics also but it gets boosted by emulation. It is not such a big deal as the stutter 50Hz scrolling from River Raid 2600 is. Vids: 2600+ Samsung 2600+ Sony 7800 Sony via Retrotink5x 20240102_191445.mp4 20240110_080345.mp4 20240110_080950_1.mp4 Edited January 10 by DEANJIMMY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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