Atari 2600+ Beta Update 1.1

[Cody2000]

1 hour ago, Bitsized said:

I have not seen a definite answer on if this will have a Mac version of the download.

no it is for windows only at this time and i kinda doubt that they will make it for other things as that would require extra work that they arent willing to do right now if nothing else take the console to a local library or friends house or something and update it that way or run a virtual machine

[Cody2000]

3 hours ago, MrChickenz said:

 

im not gonna say that this is normal but im not gonna say its not either as kangaroo much like 2600 pacman has very glitchy sprites in general i cant recall ever having the kangaroo disappear tho the most that happens for me is the fruit and monkeys are glitchy but i wouldnt be suprised if this is just the game being the game honestly as believe it or not this type of stuff doesnt sometimes happen because of how the game is

[Cody2000]

@Ben from Plaion so i have a question for you sir i came across while browsing this thread a file called AtariDumper1.1.0.4 or something like that so i grabbed it to throw in my growing folder of 2600+ firmwares and files what exactly is the benefit if any of updating this? i would've thought that in order to update entirely you would need more than just the dumper software and would need the update.img file and other stuff aswell is this not the case and just for small fixes all we need is the ataridumper?

[MrChickenz]

27 minutes ago, Cody2000 said:

i have no issues playing kangaroo i think this is normal for this game as even on my light sixer on original hardware this happens

 

It only happens on the 2600+ for me all my other consoles play fine!

[MrChickenz]

23 minutes ago, Cody2000 said:

im not gonna say that this is normal but im not gonna say its not either as kangaroo much like 2600 pacman has very glitchy sprites in general i cant recall ever having the kangaroo disappear tho the most that happens for me is the fruit and monkeys are glitchy but i wouldnt be suprised if this is just the game being the game honestly as believe it or not this type of stuff doesnt sometimes happen because of how the game is

I only showed a short video. The bell disappears the kangaroo disappears it’s not normal. I understand what your saying with flickering sprites. I’m going back to 1.0 to see if there’s a difference. I’ll let you know.

[chad5200]

2 minutes ago, MrChickenz said:

I only showed a short video. The bell disappears the kangaroo disappears it’s not normal. I understand what your saying with flickering sprites. I’m going back to 1.0 to see if there’s a difference. I’ll let you know.

In your video when the sprites disappear is the same time in my game that those sprites start flickering. 

[MrChickenz]

11 minutes ago, chad5200 said:

In your video when the sprites disappear is the same time in my game that those sprites start flickering. 

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[Aragorn7]

2 hours ago, Cody2000 said:

@Ben from Plaion so i have a question for you sir i came across while browsing this thread a file called AtariDumper1.1.0.4 or something like that so i grabbed it to throw in my growing folder of 2600+ firmwares and files what exactly is the benefit if any of updating this? i would've thought that in order to update entirely you would need more than just the dumper software and would need the update.img file and other stuff aswell is this not the case and just for small fixes all we need is the ataridumper?

Files are at the beginning of this thread.

[AtariYMás009]

The disappearing sprites issue sounds like wrong framerate for me.

Maybe 24 or so, instead of 60 for NTSC or 50 for PAL 

[Thomas Jentzsch]

If sprites disappear like this, then there are a least two issues:

1. the phosphor effect is not enabled
2. either the 2600+ skips every 2nd frame or the TV does

[Ben from Plaion]

10 hours ago, Bitsized said:

I have not seen a definite answer on if this will have a Mac version of the download.

Unlikely.

 

edit: I write this cause I have asked around. Nothing came back positive. Someone did reach out to me but it was a friend of a friend that might be able to help. I'll write to him.

Edited January 17 by Ben from Plaion

[Ben from Plaion]

8 hours ago, Cody2000 said:

@Ben from Plaion so i have a question for you sir i came across while browsing this thread a file called AtariDumper1.1.0.4 or something like that so i grabbed it to throw in my growing folder of 2600+ firmwares and files what exactly is the benefit if any of updating this? i would've thought that in order to update entirely you would need more than just the dumper software and would need the update.img file and other stuff aswell is this not the case and just for small fixes all we need is the ataridumper?

Some carts are made to work with a simple dumper fix, some require the mainboard IMG to be updated aswell.

[Ben from Plaion]

8 hours ago, MrChickenz said:

I only showed a short video. The bell disappears the kangaroo disappears it’s not normal. I understand what your saying with flickering sprites. I’m going back to 1.0 to see if there’s a difference. I’ll let you know.

Pretty sure its the TV settings. Have you got another TV in the house you can check it with?

[MrChickenz]

9 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said:

Pretty sure its the TV settings. Have you got another TV in the house you can check it with?

Hi Ben, Yes I just tried it on a fourth tv still the same results. Not sure if you saw my earlier post there’s no issue with my original hardware or the Retron 77 on any of these tvs it’s just the 2600+ for some reason.

[MrChickenz]

I even tried a different usb brick. The one I was using was new but I thought maybe it’s faulty.

Edited January 17 by MrChickenz

[Ben from Plaion]

12 minutes ago, MrChickenz said:

Hi Ben, Yes I just tried it on a fourth tv still the same results. Not sure if you saw my earlier post there’s no issue with my original hardware or the Retron 77 on any of these tvs it’s just the 2600+ for some reason.

Did you try it back on 1.0?

 

[MrChickenz]

2 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said:

Did you try it back on 1.0?

 

I was able to get the dumper file back to 1.0 but not the image file.

[Ben from Plaion]

1 minute ago, MrChickenz said:

I was able to get the dumper file back to 1.0 but not the image file.

Its ok. Someone has an NTSC cart of kangaroo and has offered to test it later today. 

[Thomas Jentzsch]

6 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said:

Its ok. Someone has an NTSC cart of kangaroo and has offered to test it later today. 

Did you have any success with an updated audio preset?

[AtariYMás009]

4 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

If sprites disappear like this, then there are a least two issues:

1. the phosphor effect is not enabled
2. either the 2600+ skips every 2nd frame or the TV does

I think is the second one presumibly, because if It was a phosphor effect thing some games with fast movement Will show a little bit of ghosting, and also the jittery movement in some games indicates that is a kind of frameskiping thing or less FPS than it should

[Thomas Jentzsch]

13 minutes ago, AtariYMás009 said:

I think is the second one presumibly, because if It was a phosphor effect thing some games with fast movement Will show a little bit of ghosting, and also the jittery movement in some games indicates that is a kind of frameskiping thing or less FPS than it should

Agreed.

 

But then, the CPU requirements for a normal game are much lower than for an ARM game. If normal games are already running too slow, then ARM games would suffer even more. However, the 2600+ CPU can be compared with the one in the R77. And there we got the ARM games running at full speed. So something in the build process or configuration is currently fundamentally wrong.

Edited January 17 by Thomas Jentzsch

[AtariYMás009]

20 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

 So something in the build process or configuration is currently fundamentally wrong.

It is most likely that it is an FPS configuration that presents retroarch, possibly at about 24 or something like that, or it is even possible that has some type of active frameskiping, hence the jittery movement

[chad5200]

2 hours ago, MrChickenz said:

Hi Ben, Yes I just tried it on a fourth tv still the same results. Not sure if you saw my earlier post there’s no issue with my original hardware or the Retron 77 on any of these tvs it’s just the 2600+ for some reason.

How do the ghosts in Pac-Man perform for you?

[Ben from Plaion]

1 hour ago, Thomas Jentzsch said:

Did you have any success with an updated audio preset?

No difference whatsoever with 1, 2, or 3 audio preset in regards of missing sprites with my test cart Ms Pacman.

 

DM me if you want to check the files yourself.

[+karri]

Just a small sidenote. When I started to overclock my DYI flash cart Otaku for emulating larger carts the power from the 2600+ cart connector did not provide enough current. The power consumption rises a lot when overclocking the Pico from 133MHz to 400MHz. That is not a real problem for me as I can feed extra power from my powerbank.

 

I wonder if some of the special carts with extra chips could be problematic if they try to power ARM processors, extra RAM, extra ROM and extra sound chips on the cart. Just something to think about in case you have strange behaviour in your tests.