MarcinJ Posted July 26 Share Posted July 26 On the level four (If I counted themn correctly) the snowman needs to eat a carrot to throw snowballs. I could not find a way throw snowballs with my CX40+ or CX78+ controllers and I cannot complete the level. Did anyone play Stay Frosty 2 on the 2600+ and found a way to throw snowballs? Do I need special controller for this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bakasama Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 It’s a homebrew that uses a Genesis controller. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) On 7/26/2024 at 7:30 AM, MarcinJ said: On the level four (If I counted themn correctly) the snowman needs to eat a carrot to throw snowballs. I could not find a way throw snowballs with my CX40+ or CX78+ controllers and I cannot complete the level. Did anyone play Stay Frosty 2 on the 2600+ and found a way to throw snowballs? Do I need special controller for this? I have this game in stellas stocking, but I don't think i've been good enough to get to level 4. But I'll certainly try it and let you know what I find out. I have a bunch of different controllers, But if it actually does require a third button that didn't exist on the 2600/7800, And that doesn't work on the twenty six hundred plus, then that is kind of not a good idea, from a control point of view. Breaking the cardinal rule of game design by requiring controllers that are not official... On the other hand maybe we could just get that controller supported the twenty six hundred plus at some point.... Edited July 27 by tradyblix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 (edited) There are a bazillion genesis controllers out there, plus, new compatible controllers can still be bought for $15 quite easily. It makes sense to me to add the 3 button capability of the genesis controller to the "official" list for the 2600+ or even the vintage 2600 and 7800 consoles as well. This opens up so many opportunities for new dev going forward and for adding features to existing games... This game, New stuff Defender/Stargate Space games : Fire-Shield-Smart bomb Fire-shield-galaxy map etc... I'd like to see games that use something like a three button controller plus a paddle in the other port for things like: Speed Inventory etc... @Ben from Plaion, @CPUWIZ, @PacManPlus, @Thomas Jentzsch, etc... Whaddaya think? My two cents. Edited July 27 by Zonie 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_chase Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 @Zonie Definitely an idea to consider for sure. I really do hope they're taking note from this thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glurk Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 Paging @SpiceWare the author, should probably comment here.. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 I suppose the 3rd button does not work with the 2600. Else some developer would have made use of it already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 On 7/26/2024 at 7:30 AM, MarcinJ said: On the level four (If I counted themn correctly) the snowman needs to eat a carrot to throw snowballs. I could not find a way throw snowballs with my CX40+ or CX78+ controllers and I cannot complete the level. Did anyone play Stay Frosty 2 on the 2600+ and found a way to throw snowballs? Do I need special controller for this? Stay Frosty 2 supports standard 2600 joysticks with a single fire button, as well as two fire buttons on a compatible gamepad (Sega Genesis and Amiga CD32 gamepads are known to work, but not 7800 controllers). When a single fire button controller is detected Stay Frosty 2 will show a CX40 joystick in the title screen. Joystick-up will be used to throw a snowball: When a compatible multi-button controller is detected Stay Frosty 2 will show a gamepad in the title screen. Throw snowball is moved from joystick-up to one of the additional fire buttons: NOTE: On a real 2600 both fire buttons on a 7800 controller are treated as the same single fire button on a standard 2600 joystick, so cannot be used as a multi-button gamepad. I suspect the 2600+ behaves the same. If Stay Frosty 2 shows a gamepad you might need to override that. When running Stella on the computer that'd be done by hitting <TAB> to bring up the Options screen: Clicking on Game Properties...: Selecting the Controllers tab: Then changing Left port from Auto-detect (or whatever it is) to Joystick: I don't have a 2600+ so don't know how to get to these settings on it. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted July 27 Share Posted July 27 On 7/26/2024 at 7:30 AM, MarcinJ said: On the level four (If I counted themn correctly) And yes, that was level 4. The status at the bottom will alternate between score: and lives / level #: Lives/level # will always be shown when starting a new level. Anytime you score points it will switch back to the score display and reset the display toggle timer, so it's possible to go a while during the level without seeing lives/level #. Note: If you earned bonus points the Lives/Level # will show very briefly on a new level before switching to the score display when tallying up the bonus points. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcinJ Posted July 28 Author Share Posted July 28 On 7/27/2024 at 8:45 PM, SpiceWare said: Stay Frosty 2 supports standard 2600 joysticks with a single fire button, as well as two fire buttons on a compatible gamepad (Sega Genesis and Amiga CD32 gamepads are known to work, but not 7800 controllers). When a single fire button controller is detected Stay Frosty 2 will show a CX40 joystick in the title screen. Joystick-up will be used to throw a snowball: When a compatible multi-button controller is detected Stay Frosty 2 will show a gamepad in the title screen. Throw snowball is moved from joystick-up to one of the additional fire buttons: NOTE: On a real 2600 both fire buttons on a 7800 controller are treated as the same single fire button on a standard 2600 joystick, so cannot be used as a multi-button gamepad. I suspect the 2600+ behaves the same. If Stay Frosty 2 shows a gamepad you might need to override that. When running Stella on the computer that'd be done by hitting <TAB> to bring up the Options screen: Clicking on Game Properties...: Selecting the Controllers tab: Then changing Left port from Auto-detect (or whatever it is) to Joystick: I don't have a 2600+ so don't know how to get to these settings on it. Thanks! Well, at the moment there is no access to any settings of Stella in 2600+. Unfortunately, Stay Frosty 2 always detects Genesis controller even if I have CX-40 connected to 2600+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r_chase Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 10 minutes ago, MarcinJ said: Unfortunately, Stay Frosty 2 always detects Genesis controller even if I have CX-40 connected to 2600+ That is strange. I do hope the firmware devs figure out a fix for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 28 Share Posted July 28 28 minutes ago, r_chase said: That is strange. I do hope the firmware devs figure out a fix for that. They just have to tell Stella to use a joystick. But then Genesis will not work anymore. IMO this thing desperately needs an UI. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted July 29 Share Posted July 29 20 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: They just have to tell Stella to use a joystick. But then Genesis will not work anymore. The 2600+ doesn’t support the Genesis controller, so that won’t be an issue I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SpiceWare Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 I seem to recall running into this before... Yep, was back in 2019 with the RetroN R77: Turns out that if Stella detects Genesis support in the game's code it will then act as though a Genesis controller is plugged in, even if a multi-button controller is not connected to the system. I suggested this: On 4/16/2019 at 7:00 PM, SpiceWare said: Since the built in ports don't support the gamepads, the detection routine should only return Genesis if it also detects that a USB adapter/controller is plugged in and that it reports multiple fire buttons, otherwise games like SF2 are unplayable by default. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz0red Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 Testing here, it is selecting the CX40. For those who are having issues, are you on the latest firmware? Can someone please provide the debug info with the latest experimental firmware on a version that is failing. Thanks a lot, Chris. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 22 hours ago, Dionoid said: The 2600+ doesn’t support the Genesis controller, so that won’t be an issue I guess. It does if you have a Seagull 7800 adapter by EDLADDIN or something similar. Genesis controller will work with both 2600/7800 games 2 button 7800 and 2600 Omega Race. Edited July 30 by MrChickenz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 44 minutes ago, SpiceWare said: I suggested this:... That's a good suggestion. I hope someone from Atari's developers will listen to it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 6 hours ago, raz0red said: Testing here, it is selecting the CX40. For those who are having issues, are you on the latest firmware? It’s working for me. I’m on the latest firmware. IMG_5594.mov 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz0red Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 (edited) 54 minutes ago, sramirez2008 said: It’s working for me. I’m on the latest firmware. IMG_5594.mov Yeah, I think the problem being reported was likely an issue on the older firmware. Although, I think it is definitely worth adding two button support for 7800 controllers. Thanks a lot for testing that, Chris. Edited July 30 by raz0red 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+sramirez2008 Posted July 30 Share Posted July 30 9 minutes ago, raz0red said: Yeah, I think the issue being reported was likely an issue on the older firmware. Although, I think it is definitely worth adding two button support for 7800 controllers. Thanks a lot for testing that, Chris. Your welcome. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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