Atari is finally embracing their Japanese heritage

[+Sauron]

1 hour ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

They’re cartoons. 
 

cartoons and video games are marketed primarily to 8-15 year olds

For cartoons made in the West, that is generally true, but anime has never had that as a strict focus. Many of the earlier examples of anime were quite clearly meant for adults, even though there were kid-focused series and movies as well. Much of what was brought over to the US in the earlier days was primarily aimed at children, thanks to the "cartoons are for children" viewpoint. 

[roots.genoa]

1 hour ago, Fred_M said:

Never heard of it, but maybe it was not broadcasted on European TV channels. Anyway, I don't think anime was that popular in the 80s.

It actually depends greatly on the country. In France, animes were already big in the 80s indeed (since Goldorak in the 70s even), so I guess it was the same in Italy.

 

Also I wanted to reply to @JPF997 a few pages ago but AtariAge lost my quote. 😬 I was questioning how he linked cyberpunk to Japan specifically when the genre was coined for William Gibson, and all his predecessors were also American iirc.

[phoenixdownita]

45 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

I do enjoy a good anime, I never said otherwise, unfortunately  you seem to think that anime is either just cartoons for kids  or pornography of the worst kind, it's obvious you haven't watched any of the all time great anime shows yet.

 

Here's a quick list of shows worth watching:

 

Jin-Roh ( 1999 film )

 

Gundam the  08th MS Team

 

Cyberpunk Edgerunners 

 

Gundam  The Origin

 

Code Geass

 

Gurren Lagann

 

Legend of the Galactic Heroes ( seriously this anime is something everyone should watch, it's Stars Wars if Star Wars was actually well written )

 

Eureka Seven 

 

Darker than Black 

 

Black Lagoon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I tried to Google Code Geass underwear and:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CodeGeass/comments/1cwvh10/kallen_in_picture_drama/

 

(Link embedding disabled).

In 5 min googling that character can range from 17 (underage) to 25 depending on series … anyhow yeah.

 

The point he has been making is that even some/many  “good” anime have used sexualization, and at times the subjects are minors which is just wrong, it doesn’t matter if you get triggered by it or not, it doesn’t matter how good/safe the rest is, those scenes with minors have no place …. period. 
 

He found for me a few from work from Studio Ghibli which I didn’t even remember (the scenes) yet they are there for no apparent reason (aka you could redraw them or even cut them out with no loss) … 

Edited Wednesday at 09:11 PM by phoenixdownita

[JPF997]

6 minutes ago, roots.genoa said:

It actually depends greatly on the country. In France, animes were already big in the 80s indeed (since Goldorak in the 70s even), so I guess it was the same in Italy.

 

Also I wanted to reply to @JPF997 a few pages ago but AtariAge lost my quote. 😬 I was questioning how he linked cyberpunk to Japan specifically when the genre was coined for William Gibson, and all his predecessors were also American iirc.

I've always viewed  Cyberpunk  as a  joint effort between American and  Japanese writers, in the west you had Blade Runner and the original Cyberpunk tabletop game, in the East you had Ghost in the Shell and Jin-Roh, without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction (and now you have the perfect fusion in the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime series, seriously go watch you won't regret it ).

Edited Wednesday at 08:55 PM by JPF997

[John Stamos Mullet]

3 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

I've always viewed  Cyberpunk  as a  joint effort between American and  Japanese writers, 

More fictional head canon

[Lost Monkey]

6 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

I've always viewed  Cyberpunk  as a  joint effort between American and  Japanese writers, in the west you had Blade Runner and the original Cyberpunk tabletop game, in the East you had Ghost in the Shell and Jin-Roh, without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction (and now you have the perfect fusion in the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime series, seriously go watch you won't regret it ).

No, and I cannot stress this enough, no.

[+Stephen]

16 minutes ago, phoenixdownita said:

You are not wrong.
 

When we chose the Fuji logo, I wanted it to be an upward swoosh. It's a collective. It's aspirational. So right now it would be good to take the innovation legacy and push it forward into the future," Atari founder Nolan Bushnell said in a recent 50th Anniversary video.

Bushnell also confirms that Atari's original name was Syzygy.

George Opperman, who created the Atari Fuji logo, said the logo really had nothing to do with Japan's famous mountain. Instead, the logo was meant to look like the letter A, or represent a Pong board.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/87110/atari-founder-nolan-bushnell-explains-the-iconic-logos-meaning/index.html

Don't bring facts into an argument which is clearly based on one delusional person's opinion.  His reality may come crashing down.

[Lord Mushroom]

2 hours ago, Giles N said:

Then we have Fatal Run 2089… hmm, should I be worried?

Having a hard time seeing this one turned to a circus of lust and perversion,  

Gif of a sexual nature:

Spoiler

 

Edited Wednesday at 09:02 PM by Lord Mushroom

[JPF997]

5 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

More fictional head canon

Who is the biggest most powerful evil  corporation in the Cyberpunk universe ? Last time I checked it was Arasaka. Also  Japan is usually way ahead of  every other country technologically in these cyberpunk stories including America , is that just my head canon again ?

Edited Wednesday at 09:03 PM by JPF997

[+Stephen]

22 minutes ago, phoenixdownita said:

I tried to Google Code Geass underwear and:

https://www.reddit.com/r/CodeGeass/comments/1cwvh10/kallen_in_picture_drama/

 

(Link embedding disabled).

In 5 min googling that character can be from 17 (underage) to 25 depending on series … anyhow yeah.

 

The point he has been making is that even some/many  “good” anime have used sexualization, and at times the subjects are minors which is just wrong, it doesn’t matter if you get triggered by it or not, it doesn’t matter how good/safe the rest is, those scenes with minors have no place …. period. 

What do you expect from a place where the most popular fetish is the "school girl" outfit, and vending machines selling "school girl panties" are as common as Coke vending machines here?

 

Edit to add missing word.

[JPF997]

6 minutes ago, Lost Monkey said:

No, and I cannot stress this enough, no.

Japanese Cyberpunk is a thing no matter how much some of you want to deny it, here read this article straight from  the Wiki

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cyberpunk

 

[JPF997]

7 minutes ago, Stephen said:

What do you expect from a place where the most popular is the "school girl" outfit, and vending machines selling "school girl panties" are as common as Coke vending machines here?

One or two Otaku places in the heart of Tokyo sells disgusting stuff like "school girl panties" and now you want to claim that the entire country and people are into that crap... And I'm the one that supposedly went on an quasi racist rant...

Edited Wednesday at 09:10 PM by JPF997

[phoenixdownita]

9 minutes ago, Stephen said:

What do you expect from a place where the most popular is the "school girl" outfit, and vending machines selling "school girl panties" are as common as Coke vending machines here?

I was just bringing to the forefront that it is easy to let it slip through and not notice.

It does not make anyone automatically a creep or a rapist or a pedophile, but once it is brought up it is hard to unsee it. It definitely does not apply to all anime obviously but is is way more common than one thinks.

Add to that the terrible experience he had to go through (I have not lost any friend to suicide due to child abuse from a pedophile priest) and I think he deserves 100% that we make an effort and see what he sees … I admire his tenacity and unflinching resolve.

He is not attempting to censor all manga, but cleaning up the minors sexualization is something definitely I wholeheartedly agreed with him.

Edited Wednesday at 09:13 PM by phoenixdownita

[+Stephen]

1 minute ago, phoenixdownita said:

He is not attempting to censor all manga, but clean up the minors sexualization is something definitely I wholeheartedly agreed with him.

You'll not get one second of me arguing with that stance.  What I brought up above, while yes, a generalization, was in agreement with it.

[Lost Monkey]

21 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

I've always viewed  Cyberpunk  as a  joint effort between American and  Japanese writers, in the west you had Blade Runner and the original Cyberpunk tabletop game, in the East you had Ghost in the Shell and Jin-Roh, without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction (and now you have the perfect fusion in the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime series, seriously go watch you won't regret it ).

 

14 minutes ago, Lost Monkey said:

No, and I cannot stress this enough, no.

7 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

Japanese Cyberpunk is a thing no matter how much some of you want to deny it, here read this article straight from  the Wiki

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_cyberpunk

 

Look at the quote I was referring to and explain to me why you are moving the goalposts again.  You made a statement: "without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction".

 

 The statement you made is not even close to being true. It is fan-fiction.  

 

Are you taking that back now and stating simply "Japanese Cyberpunk is a thing no matter how much some of you want to deny it"

 

Was I denying that Japanese Cyberpunk exists?  You are a clown.

Edited Wednesday at 09:15 PM by Lost Monkey

[John Stamos Mullet]

6 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

One or two Otaku places in the heart of Tokyo sells disgusting stuff like "school girl panties" and now you want to claim that the entire country and people are into that crap... And I'm the one that supposedly went on an quasi racist rant...

The fact that it exists at all, and is tolerated and accepted as part of the culture is the problem. 
 

Though I do find it endlessly hilarious that in Japan, they pixelate human genitals in porn, but have no problem allowing “artists” to make cartoons that depict pedophilia and beastiality and nobody does anything to stop it. 
 

y'all are fucked up. 

[JPF997]

1 minute ago, Lost Monkey said:

 

Look at the quote I was referring to and explain to me why you are moving the goalposts again.  You made a statement: "without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction".

 

 The statement you made is not even close to being true. It is fan-fiction.  

 

Wtf do you think I meant with this statement? If Cyberpunk was just Blade Runner and a table top game it wouldn't have become the immensely successful genre of fiction that it is today, without Japans contribution to the Cyberpunk genre it wouldn't be what it is today it's that simple.

1 minute ago, Lost Monkey said:

Are you taking that back now and stating simply "Japanese Cyberpunk is a thing no matter how much some of you want to deny it"

 

Was I denying that Japanese Cyberpunk exists?  You are a clown.

No you took something that I said out of context and now you want to act like a smart ass, we are reaching levels of toxicity that shouldn't be possible for an Atari Age thread but somehow here we are now...

[Lost Monkey]

2 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

 

Wtf do you think I meant with this statement? If Cyberpunk was just Blade Runner and a table top game it wouldn't have become the immensely successful genre of fiction that it is today, without Japans contribution to the Cyberpunk genre it wouldn't be what it is today it's that simple.

No you took something that I said out of context and now you want to act like a smart ass, we are reaching levels of toxicity that shouldn't be possible for an Atari Age thread but somehow here we are now...

I would expect that when you wrote:

 

32 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

I've always viewed  Cyberpunk  as a  joint effort between American and  Japanese writers, in the west you had Blade Runner and the original Cyberpunk tabletop game, in the East you had Ghost in the Shell and Jin-Roh, without the combined efforts of American and Japanese creators there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction (and now you have the perfect fusion in the Cyberpunk Edgerunners anime series, seriously go watch you won't regret it ).

"there is no Cyberpunk genre of fiction",

 

That you meant what you wrote.  Wtf else would I think?  But you go ahead and move the goalposts again, because now you are saying that "it wouldn't be what it is today".   Can't you see the difference?

 

BTW - Western Cyberpunk was never just 'Blade Runner and a table top game.' 

[Lord Mushroom]

46 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's some pretty extreme nitpicking. 

I don´t think so. I googled "mountain", and none of the 50 or so mountains I looked at came even close to looking more like the Atari logo than Fuji (besides an AI created one). All, or almost all, of them looked even less like the logo than the mountain you posted. There is a reason why the logo has been named Fuji and not "mountain" or "Everest".

[CapitanClassic]

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis

 

I couldn’t care less what Japan decides what their age of majority is. If they thought up until 6 years ago that 18-19 year old were too stupid to vote, who am I to complain. (they still cannot drink or smoke in public). They only recently changed the age of consent from 13 to 16, so i don't expect them to care what the rest of the world has to say about the sexualization of women they wouldn't call minors.

 

Of course here in the USA, people seem to have a problem with Jerry Seinfeld getting the phone number of a girl less than a month away from becoming an adult. 

Busybodies going to busybody.

[LilSwampAss]

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[John Stamos Mullet]

17 minutes ago, CapitanClassic said:

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience." -- C. S. Lewis

 

I couldn’t care less what Japan decides what their age of majority is. If they thought up until 6 years ago that 18-19 year old were too stupid to vote, who am I to complain. (they still cannot drink or smoke in public). They only recently changed the age of consent from 13 to 16, so i don't expect them to care what the rest of the world has to say about the sexualization of women they wouldn't call minors.

 

Of course here in the USA, people seem to have a problem with Jerry Seinfeld getting the phone number of a girl less than a month away from becoming an adult. 

Busybodies going to busybody.

Good god

Edited Wednesday at 10:09 PM by John Stamos Mullet

[John Stamos Mullet]

9 minutes ago, LilSwampAss said:

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[Razzie.P]

10 hours ago, JPF997 said:

You people just can't seem to understand the difference between heritage based on DNA and spiritual heritage.

 

 

😊

 

Eh, I understood what you meant with your original idea/first post. 

 

But for better or worse, at least you got the engagement you've moaned about wanting (and maybe not receiving, I dunno) in the past.  So congrats for that, at least.  

 

[Razzie.P]

2 hours ago, LilSwampAss said:

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