Atari is finally embracing their Japanese heritage

[Giles N]

2 minutes ago, Razzie.P said:

things get weird? 

Oh yes - that^ -  beyond comprehension.

 

 

[+Sauron]

8 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

I don't consider cartoon characters to be "beautiful", but I think that since you do that answers your own question.

 

So you don't think anime is geared towards creeps who fap to cartoons, yet you're also upset that video game characters aren't attractive looking.

 

I believe this is called "telling on yourself"

Gotta step in here and defend JPF997 on this. No, anime is not just geared towards "creeps who fap to cartoons". Whether you like it or not, anime has exploded in popularity here in the US (and elsewhere) within the last decade, and among both males and females, and most of it is not in the "ecchi" or "hentai" genres. Your anime stereotype is a few decades out of date.

 

[Giles N]

Lets have great reset:

 

 

Here is a contemporary picture from the first Official Atari Meeting:

 

 

Now this debate is ended once and for all!

 

Checkmate!!! 

    No, worse… you’re … ATARI !!!

 

 

[John Stamos Mullet]

17 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Gotta step in here and defend JPF997 on this. No, anime is not just geared towards "creeps who fap to cartoons". Whether you like it or not, anime has exploded in popularity here in the US (and elsewhere) within the last decade, and among both males and females, and most of it is not in the "ecchi" or "hentai" genres. Your anime stereotype is a few decades out of date.

 

Do an image search for the word “anime” on any of the popular search engines, and tell me you don’t get all kinds of questionably aged, semi naked girls in school girl outfits, and outright cartoon porn on the first page of results. 

[John Stamos Mullet]

32 minutes ago, Razzie.P said:

We still discussing Atari's Japanese heritage, or things get weird? 

I mean we’re discussing something that came from Japan, but it ain’t got nothing to do with Atari (which was my original point)

Edited Tuesday at 11:13 PM by John Stamos Mullet

[+DrVenkman]

6 hours ago, JPF997 said:

Reddit is degeneracy central on the internet, even Tumbler has begone cleaning house and throwing out the degenerates that used to infest the site, only use Reddit to browse community sub boards that explicitly ban than crap.

You do seem to go on about "degeneracy" - spouting too many talking points from the wrong side of the history. You're telling on yourself again. 

[+Sauron]

1 hour ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

Do an image search for the word “anime” on any of the popular search engines, and tell me you don’t get all kinds of questionably aged, semi naked girls in school girl outfits, and outright cartoon porn on the first page of results. 

Sure there are, but that doesn't encompass all, or even the majority, of anime. You're just basing a stereotype off of extremely weak research without actually watching a representative sample of it. 

 

 

[+Sauron]

Ok, just did a quick image search for "anime". Here's the first several rows of images:

 

 

As you'll see here, there are very few sexualized images (I can count precisely one, and even that is just one character) visible. Instead, you're seeing images of characters from the most popular anime series, including One Piece, Naruto, Dragon Ball Z, Jujutsu Kaisen, and a few others, almost all of which are aimed at younger viewers and don't typically contain sexually-focused characters or storylines (referred to as "ecchi"). Yes, you can find plenty of "ecchi" focused series, typically aimed at older audiences, but those do not routinely fall into the most popular shows. 

 

Case in point: I worked a short term project at a school here in my town a couple of years ago, and was mostly dealing with elementary and middle school students. The hottest topic of conversation amongst most of the middle schoolers by far was the currently running anime series Attack on Titan. Very few talked about anything regarding Western-made shows or even pop culture references. I was actually taken aback at just how popular anime and manga had become among today's youth. The stereotype of the incel otaku who jerks off to hentai all day certainly does exist for a reason, but it does not in any way represent the vast majority of current day anime fans.

 

[Lost Monkey]

8 minutes ago, Sauron said:

Ok, just did a quick image search for "anime". Here's the first several rows of images:

 

 

I got the same.

[+Neon Wraith]

2 hours ago, Stephen said:

Cheaper than the cost of dinner would be I'm sure

Still cheaper than marrying a real one, let me tell you.

[jerseystyle]

2 hours ago, DrVenkman said:

You do seem to go on about "degeneracy" - spouting too many talking points from the wrong side of the history. You're telling on yourself again. 

The last time he brought up degeneracy, he ended up on that wierd rant about how Satanists should be executed just like gay people in Saudi Arabia.  Methinks dude protests too much…

 

In reference to Horizon-FW… how much make up do you think a post apocalyptic tribal woman should carry on her?  Do you fat and appearance shame women in real life, or just on the internet?

Edited Wednesday at 02:46 AM by jerseystyle

[JPF997]

2 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

The last time he brought up degeneracy, he ended up on that wierd rant about how Satanists should be executed just like gay people in Saudi Arabia.  Methinks dude protests too much…

You're still butt hurt about that whole thing? Didn't I already apologize to you over derailing that conversation ages ago ?

Besides after learning a few more things over the past year I gotta say Varg and the Black metal gangs were actually pretty based for what they did to those churches.

 

2 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

In reference to Horizon-FW… how much make up do you think a post apocalyptic tribal woman should carry on her?  Do you fat and appearance shame women in real life, or just on the internet?

This has nothing to do with make up, Alloy in the original game was already uglier than the original model she was based on, and somehow  with each new entry they keep finding ways to uglify her even more, there's clearly an agenda going on especially in the western industry to uglify all human characters, BlackRock and all the Dei consultants they fund are to blame for this.

 

 

[+Sauron]

I think this conversation is turning quite a bit more political than what is allowed on here. I recommend turning back to the more appropriate parts of the thread before the mods decide to step in.

 

 

 

 

[jerseystyle]

3 minutes ago, Sauron said:

I think this conversation is turning quite a bit more political than what is allowed on here. I recommend turning back to the more appropriate parts of the thread before the mods decide to step in.

 

 

 

 

Valid point. Where’d we all end up on the Atari Hentai thing?

[jerseystyle]

22 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

You're still butt hurt about that whole thing? Didn't I already apologize to you over derailing that conversation ages ago ?

Besides after learning a few more things over the past year I gotta say Varg and the Black metal gangs were actually pretty based for what they did to those churches.

 

This has nothing to do with make up, Alloy in the original game was already uglier than the original model she was based on, and somehow  with each new entry they keep finding ways to uglify her even more, there's clearly an agenda going on especially in the western industry to uglify all human characters, BlackRock and all the Dei consultants they fund are to blame for this.

 

 

If I could wipe two phrases out of the English language, it’d be “butt hurt” and “hater”. I always cringe when I hear an adult use those unironically.  Especially “butt hurt”. When TT started saying those two phrases I knew the Amico was doomed. 
 

To get back on track, I think Atari is in a very weird place in terms of identity. It’s no longer “American”, (which they pushed a bit during the Jag days), it was never “Japanese”, and it’s not big enough to be “Global.” So where would one put it?  I know it’s on the French market but I don’t think it has any European zazz to it.

[JPF997]

50 minutes ago, jerseystyle said:

If I could wipe two phrases out of the English language, it’d be “butt hurt” and “hater”. I always cringe when I hear an adult use those unironically.  Especially “butt hurt”. When TT started saying those two phrases I knew the Amico was doomed. 
 

To get back on track, I think Atari is in a very weird place in terms of identity. It’s no longer “American”, (which they pushed a bit during the Jag days), it was never “Japanese”, and it’s not big enough to be “Global.” So where would one put it?  I know it’s on the French market but I don’t think it has any European zazz to it.

Atari is American, Japanese, French and more, incorporating  elements of all these cultures into it's games isn't a weakness or lack of identity it's the source of it's strength.

[JPF997]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

I think this conversation is turning quite a bit more political than what is allowed on here. I recommend turning back to the more appropriate parts of the thread before the mods decide to step in.

 

 

 

 

Did this thread have any appropriate part? It got pretty toxic right after the first reply on  page 1  (and no I'm not the only one responsible for it even if some people would claim otherwise ).

Edited Wednesday at 06:07 AM by JPF997

[+Sauron]

6 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

To get back on track, I think Atari is in a very weird place in terms of identity. It’s no longer “American”, (which they pushed a bit during the Jag days), it was never “Japanese”, and it’s not big enough to be “Global.” So where would one put it?  I know it’s on the French market but I don’t think it has any European zazz to it.

IMO why put a nationality to it? Atari is Atari. It may incorporate things from different cultures, but it does not belong exclusively to a specific one. We've got people here on AA from all over the world, I don't see why it can't belong to everyone.

 

5 hours ago, JPF997 said:

Did this thread have any appropriate part? It got pretty toxic right after the first reply on  page 1  (and no I'm not the only one responsible for it even if some people would claim otherwise ).

I'd say just about every post refuting your original bad take was appropriate for the thread.

 

 

[jerseystyle]

46 minutes ago, Sauron said:

IMO why put a nationality to it? Atari is Atari. It may incorporate things from different cultures, but it does not belong exclusively to a specific one. We've got people here on AA from all over the world, I don't see why it can't belong to everyone.

 

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That’s a fair point. I don’t disagree- it’s interesting, though, to think how it’s changed over time. I’m just glad they’re no longer a disc drive company, or whatever the hell that JTS deal was. 

[John Stamos Mullet]

7 hours ago, jerseystyle said:

Valid point. Where’d we all end up on the Atari Hentai thing?

The only reason it even came up was because I asked the question of why everything seems to be trending towards  having an anime style theme, and I made a joke about it all looking like some incel’s waifu pillow, and then JPF went on a quasi-racist, definitely sexiest tear about “western game female uglification” and started fat shaming and talking about them looking like shemales.

 

which pretty much is how we got here.

 

[JPF997]

4 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

The only reason it even came up was because I asked the question of why everything seems to be trending towards  having an anime style theme, and I made a joke about it all looking like some incel’s waifu pillow, and then JPF went on a quasi-racist, definitely sexiest tear about “western game female uglification” and started fat shaming and talking about them looking like shemales.

 

which pretty much is how we got here.

 

You definitely talk like a Resetera user, that's something I've learned over the past few days.

[John Stamos Mullet]

13 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

You definitely talk like a Resetera user, that's something I've learned over the past few days.

I have no idea what “Resetera” is, but you definitely sound like a dude who spends all day fapping to Loli/futa/hentai.

Edited Wednesday at 01:06 PM by John Stamos Mullet

[John Stamos Mullet]

7 hours ago, JPF997 said:

Did this thread have any appropriate part? It got pretty toxic right after the first reply on  page 1  (and no I'm not the only one responsible for it even if some people would claim otherwise ).

The entire premise of this thread is toxic right from the beginning, because Atari has no Japanese heritage.

Edited Wednesday at 01:13 PM by John Stamos Mullet

[JPF997]

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

IMO why put a nationality to it? Atari is Atari. It may incorporate things from different cultures, but it does not belong exclusively to a specific one. We've got people here on AA from all over the world, I don't see why it can't belong to everyone.

How does this contradict the premise of this thread? Atari incorporated elements of Japanese culture into it's games and identity ( the very name of the company is Japanese ), it launched many products in the land of the rising sun including the 2800 thus it has a small but significant Japanese heritage, just like it has an American and more recently French heritage.

1 hour ago, Sauron said:

 

I'd say just about every post refuting your original bad take was appropriate for the thread.

 

 

You people just can't seem to understand the difference between heritage based on DNA and spiritual heritage.

 

Just like a Parent  doesn't need to be biologically related to a child to be  it's Parent Atari doesn't need to be  Japanese from the moment the company was founded for it to have Japanese heritage.

Edited Wednesday at 01:25 PM by JPF997

[+Sauron]

2 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

How does this contradict the premise of this thread? Atari incorporated elements of Japanese culture into it's games and identity ( the very name of the company is Japanese ), it launched many products in the land of the rising sun including the 2800 thus it has a small but significant Japanese heritage, just like it has an American and more recently French heritage.

You people just can't seem to understand the difference between heritage based on DNA and spiritual heritage.

You're severely overblowing the "Japanese heritage" of the company, to the point where it's an extreme stretch to say it has any Japanese heritage at all beyond its name. This has been pointed out to you over and over and over during the course of the thread. You really tend to choose the worst hills to die on.