Christophero Sly Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 (edited) Atariguide is down, but I scoured AA and found several gray label variants and I've added them to the list. Here is the updated file. I will also post it the post at the beginning of the thread. EDIT: Most recent updates can be found at the beginning of this thread. Edited October 26, 2005 by Christophero Sly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
video game addict Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Asterix 1985 NTSC? That might be PAL, I think only the 1983 label exists as NTSC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Asterix 1985 NTSC? That might be PAL, I think only the 1983 label exists as NTSC. 907745[/snapback] Thanks for catching that. Yes, it's PAL. I just placed it in the wrong section. I'll fix it in the next update. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 One question... should I include the PAL brown-background Battlezone that otherwise looks like a silver/gray label? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Ok, here is what I have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 Now, to help out philflound with his list, here are the cart types. All the 85 silver labels are CART1 except for Battlezone which is CART2. The 86 labels are all CART2 except Krull and Taz which are CART3. The 87 labels are all CART3 except for Vanguard which is CART1. The 88 labels are all CART3. I hope this helps anyone who was curious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted August 9, 2005 Author Share Posted August 9, 2005 Thanks a ton slade! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
staberinde Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 I dont know whether its gray or silver, but concerning the release date between 85 and 87 you may add (PAL): Joust, 1985, Right Corner, Present, Typo: ATAR. CORP: http://www.xenophobe.de/atari/joust.html Kangaroo, 1985, Right Corner, Present: http://www.xenophobe.de/atari/kangaroo.html Realsports Soccer, 1986, Centered, Present: http://www.xenophobe.de/atari/realsports_soccer.html Stargate, 1987, Right Corner, Absent: http://www.xenophobe.de/atari/stargate.html Vanguard, 1987, Centered, Absent: http://www.xenophobe.de/atari/vanguard.html So far ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
video game addict Posted August 9, 2005 Share Posted August 9, 2005 One question... should I include the PAL brown-background Battlezone that otherwise looks like a silver/gray label? 907800[/snapback] Why don't you scrap all these re-release lists & work on the full thing? I personally feel those red-brown labels, even the ones that look like silvers should be listed as reds. But seeing how they too are re-releases for the most part, I think there should be a listing of them too. Here's another that follows the silver label style but with a twist of red-brown flavoring.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 Cool, this looks good. I won't have time to update the list until about Thursday. I'm hoping to finish the rest of the manuals by then too. Gonna have fun adding and revising all these grey labels. You are a cool dude shining slade! Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 Why don't you scrap all these re-release lists & work on the full thing? I'm more than happy to share whatever information I've gathered and help in the endeavor to update the Giant LVAR list, but I find the formatting of the Giant LVAR list too confusing for my personal use as a collector of these variants. My intention here was to create more manageable lists with formatting specific to these particular variants. In short, lists that were easier to reference and, for me at least, more useful. I wasn't aware of the effort to update the Giant LVAR list when I began constructing these lists. Perhaps my efforts are now redundant and my time wasted on this task, but I have no intention of scraping these lists and I will continue to update these lists as new variants are brought to my attention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christophero Sly Posted August 10, 2005 Author Share Posted August 10, 2005 I've updated the list, adding everything (I think) that shining slade and staberinde submitted. Thanks to both of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 (edited) I personally think these lists that you are doing are easier to work with than the GLOV. Especially since they narrow down the re-releases. Next up, we should tackle RED carts! I have a bunch of those that we can jump start it with. But for now, lets just do one version at a time! BTW, that Joust with the P on the end label is NTSC. Edited August 10, 2005 by shining slade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 10, 2005 Share Posted August 10, 2005 The giant list I'm working on isn't that bad of a format. At least to what I've changed everything to. But having smaller lists is a good idea for those who are looking to pinpoint specific label variations. It's easier to browse. The joust you have the p on the end label where you say it's ntsc, did you open it up brand new? The problem I have with carts with different end labels that shouldn't have happened is the chance of it being reglued from another cart and not being a legit variation. It's too easy to fake. LMK. I'll add it to the list if you think it's real. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 The 1987 Galaxian, I have a question on. The main and end labels. Are they paper or plastic? Let me know on both. I may have more questions. I'm updating the list right now. Thanks. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 One question... should I include the PAL brown-background Battlezone that otherwise looks like a silver/gray label? 907800[/snapback] Why don't you scrap all these re-release lists & work on the full thing? I personally feel those red-brown labels, even the ones that look like silvers should be listed as reds. But seeing how they too are re-releases for the most part, I think there should be a listing of them too. Here's another that follows the silver label style but with a twist of red-brown flavoring.. 907923[/snapback] Can you do me a favor and scan the end label on the red millipede? This is one that needs to be added to the giant list. I don't have a 1988 listed for red. Thanks. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 I think once I get all these grey labels up to date, I'm going to revamp the giant list. Instead of calling it a picture silver 1 or 2, I think I'll add a new listing called PicGr1 and PicGr2 for grey labels. I think it'll be much easier to read, instead of having it listed as a silver only to see that it is really grey reading the description of the label variation. When I'm ready to do that, I'm going to list everything that "should" be a grey label, but does not say so in the description. That means I never physically held it in my hand or seen one of the updates on here. I'll ask my fellow collectors to verify the existance of such labels. Boy I wish I could find a ton of these. Phil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
video game addict Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 88 Red Millipede is PAL. End label matches 88 silver, with a black label with red text. Don't have scanner hooked up atm, and can't take clear shots at night right now. I only posted that one because I believe there are more like it, red-brown carts that follow the silver style instead of typical red label cart. Like Battlezone which is also available in both versions for 87 & 88. But I feel they should probably be contained to a red label list, instead of silver list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
t1n Posted August 11, 2005 Share Posted August 11, 2005 (edited) Here's my quick and dirty contribution. These are all PAL. Seems by battlezone is the same, rest different to what's already made it to the list. Maybe someone can shed some light on Mario Bros - seems a bit weird to me. I've also mentioned the Atari, Corp and Atari Corp differences as AFAIK there's no comma in "Atari Corp", but there was in "Atari, Inc" but correct me if wrong Apologies for typos and stuff, but it had to be done quick...... title year logo controller info remarks asteroids 1987 centre absent CX prefix "Atari, corp" battlezone 1985 right corner present "Atari, corp" centipede 1986 centre present "Atari, corp" centipede 1987 centre absent "Atari, corp" crystal castles Absent right corner absent no other info on this label dig dug 1988 right corner absent Italics, printed in Hong Kong, "Atari corp" dig dug 1988 right corner absent Printed in Hong Kong "Atari, corporation" CX prefix, P suffix dig dug 1988 right corner absent No 'printed in'line, "Atari corp" Football 1987 centre present "Atari, corp" "Football Realsports Soccer" on main and end labels Galaxian 1987 right corner Absent "Atari, corp" Mario Bros 1983? centre Absent No atari © on this anywhere (genuine?) Case1 Millipede 1987 right corner Absent "Atari, Corp" Millipede 1988 right corner Absent "Atari Corp" CX prefix Moon Patrol 1987 right corner Absent "Atari, Corp" Ms Pac Man 1987 centre Absent "Atari, Corp" Ms Pac Man 1988 centre Absent "Atari, Corp" CX prefix Pole Position Absent Centre Absent Small writing about Namco and Licence at bottom Pole Position 1988 centre Absent "Atari, Corporation" CX prefix, P suffix Tennis 1986 centre Present "Realsports tennis" on end label "Atari Corp" Edited August 11, 2005 by t1n Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 The giant list I'm working on isn't that bad of a format. At least to what I've changed everything to. But having smaller lists is a good idea for those who are looking to pinpoint specific label variations. It's easier to browse. The joust you have the p on the end label where you say it's ntsc, did you open it up brand new? The problem I have with carts with different end labels that shouldn't have happened is the chance of it being reglued from another cart and not being a legit variation. It's too easy to fake. LMK. I'll add it to the list if you think it's real. Phil 908280[/snapback] No I did not get it out of the box. It works on my tv which is NTSC without rolling. I 've tried it on a few different tv's actually and it did not roll on any of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 (edited) I picked up another version of 1987 Vanguard. It's missing the controller info and is a CART3. I took a few pics of other CART variations for philflounds list if he needs them. Battlezone is the 83 cart and Yars is the 81 cart. Edited August 12, 2005 by shining slade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 (edited) The 1987 Galaxian, I have a question on. The main and end labels. Are they paper or plastic? Let me know on both. I may have more questions. I'm updating the list right now. Thanks. Phil 908809[/snapback] Here are some better pics The main label has a shiny look to it. Also I just noted that the following earlier release games are all CART2 that I have. 83 Dig Dug 84 Millipede 84 Pengo 82 Realsports Baseball 82 Realsports Volleyball I also realized that the font on 87 Realsports Football's main label for the year is different. Also, there is a period on one after Atari and the other has a comma. I've included a pic of it. I think I'm getting too carried away with label variations I'm going away now. lol Edited August 12, 2005 by shining slade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainCaputo Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 '87 pacman instead of Copyright 1981 it says 1987 same thing with Homerun Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philflound Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 (edited) I added all of slade's original photo pics or modified others. I'll try and understand his new ones. I haven't gotten to the other people listing here. For me, if it doesn't have all the info I can use, then I'm probably not going to add it, or if it has most, I'll add it with question marks on the parts I need. Soon I'll get a huge list of everything I'd like to verify. Sly asked me if everything listed was accurate. I told him that anything that did not have a question mark originally had a number next to it, which meant that it was physically present for John, Tempest, or myself. Anything that was blank, I was assuming was told for the list, but never verified by physically holding, so that became a question mark. I've found a major variation with US Games cartridges and I'm in the middle of finishing the update on those. It seems there is a molding variation on the 2 notches, at least on the square carts. The fancy cart so far does not have a variation from what I've investigated. The bottom of the notch either has 1 line or 3 lines molded into it. The 1 line gets thinner as it reaches the top, the 3 lines remain a consistant rectangular shape. Also, I see with the 3 lines, the cartridge has a slight oval shape on its side, similar to the shape of a Colecovision cart, but not so much as not to fit into the Atari unit I assume. So now I'm going through all the carts in my collection as well as all the extras I have to add either 1 line or 3 lines to each label variation. Fun, fun, fun! Phil Edited August 12, 2005 by Philflound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shining slade Posted August 12, 2005 Share Posted August 12, 2005 Phil, this is missing from your list. http://www.atariage.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=69546 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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