Fox-1 / mnx Posted May 6, 2012 Share Posted May 6, 2012 Just wondering... Does any of the beta testers have access to a Black Box? Really curious how that works out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4728a Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) No Black Box here, not for lack of trying to get one though. What I do have to TEST with. IDE 2.0 + MyIDE MIO 1mb MG66 version. AtariMAX 8mb carts SIO2SD Atari8 maestro verson SIO2SD Nuxx SIO2USB SIO2PC xf551 xf351 1050happy 1050Archiver 1050us doubler 1050 stock lots of carts A SIDE cart if it ever arrives, I have the next few weeks free to play. Robert Edited May 7, 2012 by venom4728a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 (edited) ...hopefully an update for FDISK is around the corner... Yes it is - to coincide with new new SDX drivers for SIDE and MyIDE, APT BIOS for KMK/JZ interface, and PBI ROM for Incognito and Ultimate 1MB. This despite total lack of feeback on beta version for IDE Plus. THE LAST WORD uses the HELP+number key to view the online help. ok so I had to create a crib sheet for THE LAST WORD because I haven't been able to find the 'HELP' key on the Atari800 keyboard. On recent versions, press <Ctrl+0> - works the same as the <Help> key. LW help files are just text files, so you can view them with <Ctrl+J> or with <V> on the disk menu. Thanks for this info.. .. Who is doing the beta testing I haven't seen any notice's about having beta software available.?? I would sure like to see the 'SAVE' Incognito configuration screen be able to really save. Edited May 7, 2012 by rdea6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sup8pdct Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 No Black Box here, not for lack of trying to get one though. Robert I do have a fully speced black box and 3 800's willing to try it out. If you send it to me, I will test it with the BB for you However, i have a feeling my 800 will not part with such an upgrade and my negotiation skills to persuade it to do so are severely lacking James 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 i highly doubt that BB will work with this due to PBI conflict with internal PBI device (BB is not PBI device, it just connects to CART/ECI ports) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillC Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 i highly doubt that BB will work with this due to PBI conflict with internal PBI device (BB is not PBI device, it just connects to CART/ECI ports) This has nothing to do with the PBI conflicts, but I thought I should correct the statement that the BB is not a PBI device, I have used one with an 800XL. No adapter required, there is a header on the Black Box for connecting a PBI ribbon cable. I believe the Black Box was the first parallel device which could be connected to either the CART/ECI ports or to the PBI port. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rybags Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 When we say "PBI device" the meaning is at the logical level, ie it uses the specified means of OS and hardware interface. Just connecting to the port doesn't mean something's PBI compliant, e.g. the Ram 320XL expansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 7, 2012 Share Posted May 7, 2012 again - as Gary said BB is at design level not compilant to PBI device standard Atari wrote, and thus its not regarded by me as PBI device and it will be in conflict (at hardware level) with any compilant PBI device $D1FF 240 PDVS (Mirror of $D1C0) read interrupt source bit 0 bit 1 bit 2 HC switch bit 3 menu switch write bank select $04 disk routines and this soleyly excludes any PBI compatibility at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4728a Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) I have mine installed; Thank You Sebastian another great project!!! I tore my 800 completely apart cleaned it inside and out, even removed every key and cleaned the board, Installed the Incognito Board and only reassembled enough to do a quick power on test. I booted into xl/xe mode with sparta dos . I seen the clock come up and get recognized and then the Sparta Dos prompt appeared. Its past my bed time tonight as 5am comes pretty quickly, so any further testing will be tomorrow. I will post some pic's but just so you know I did not use the same wire colors, I used what I had on hand. One word of note the instructions say to put the grey pin plug into Z102 but from the pic I seen I think its is actually Z101, is this correct? I swapped the Black and Blue wires, now where is RD4 and RD5, do I need to change the resistor and what values for each; I have seen several different values mentioned what is working best? I am not sure if we need to install them if we have already swapped the blue and black or not? and until I install them I should not use cartridges correct? Well tonight's testing went well all 2 minutes of it. It was basically just a smoke test, and no smoke came out so all is good up until now. best regards Robert Edited May 8, 2012 by venom4728a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) One word of note the instructions say to put the grey pin plug into Z102 but from the pic I seen I think its is actually Z101, is this correct? I swapped the Black and Blue wires, now where is RD4 and RD5, do I need to change the resistor and what values for each; I have seen several different values mentioned what is working best? I am not sure if we need to install them if we have already swapped the blue and black or not? and until I install them I should not use cartridges correct? Well tonight's testing went well all 2 minutes of it. It was basically just a smoke test, and no smoke came out so all is good up until now. best regards Robert Z101 is correct, that's the 74LS42 IC socket... I just read through the personal messages and I think Sebastian was tired when he mentioned Z102, as he did mention Z101 with the 74LS42 chip a few other times... I just finished wiring up mine, now to reassemble and test Jay Edited May 8, 2012 by AtariGeezer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 if Jay says its Z101 then probably it is I wrote this from memory, but its marked on schematics as "Emulation socket goes in place of Z101 (74LS42) on motherboard" as for best values - i simply have 2k2 resistors installed as i have pile of them - so far without any problems, but then again - i don't have many cartridges - one to be precise, others are self-made Sebastian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4728a Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 if Jay says its Z101 then probably it is I wrote this from memory, but its marked on schematics as "Emulation socket goes in place of Z101 (74LS42) on motherboard" as for best values - i simply have 2k2 resistors installed as i have pile of them - so far without any problems, but then again - i don't have many cartridges - one to be precise, others are self-made Sebastian Where is the best place to pick up RD4 and RD5, I read that RD4 is pin A of the cart slot while RD5 is pin 14. But I haven't physicaly looked for these on the board yet. Are these the same resistors the blue and the black are soldered too in pic DSC02335? I am heading out the door to work and will pick up 2 2k2 resistors tonight on my way home. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 (edited) IMHO most conviniet places are the one i've picked up i don't think its fair to talk about private pictures in public thread, so... Edited May 8, 2012 by candle 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
venom4728a Posted May 8, 2012 Share Posted May 8, 2012 I swapped the rd4 and rd5 resistors for 1.5k ohm. Then with the settings of XL/XE BIOS, 1088Rambo, SDX Enabled, SIDE disabled I tried the following cartridges. Star Wars Return of the Jedi Runs FINE Star trek Runs FINE Serpentine Runs FINE FROGGER Runs FINE STAR RAIDERS Runs FINE DONKEY KONG Runs FINE DEFENDER Runs FINE Super Breakout Runs (Couldn't Move, I think it requires paddles) Missle Command Runs FINE Basic Runs FINE Computer Chess Runs FINE James Bond 007 Runs FINE Wizard of War Runs FINE (Couldn't move at first then remembered you had to plug into port 2) Centipede Runs FINE Asteroids Runs FINE Pac Man Runs FINE Popeye Runs FINE Kids on Keys Runs FINE Q-Bert Runs FINE Qix Runs FINE Music Composer Runs FINE Miner 2049er Runs FINE (Really Touchy think dirty contacts) Star Raiders Runs FINE Following would not run under the above configuration for one reason or another. Cavers of Mars Black Screen, Changed to Colleen and runs Fine. River Raid Looks ok for about 10 seconds then river turns yellow, switched to colleen and xl/xe with 1088 rambo off then it ran ok Eastern Front 1941 Black screen. Changed to colleen ran ok Math Mileage Black Screen, changed to Colleen to no go. (Possible bad contacts) Now I have to figure out how to operate and configure SIDE, so I can give it a real work out. Ran About an hour and xilinx stayed cool. Best Regards Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 (edited) For SIDE, the CF card needs to be formatted in Fat32 using a PC first, then plop into the Incognito (powered off), then power up and use FDisk from SDX to partition it, then FORMAT in SDX to fomat the Atari partitions. Finally, Format again in a PC to format the adjusted Fat32 partition size... Jay Edited May 9, 2012 by AtariGeezer 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 For SIDE, the CF card needs to be formatted in Fat32 using a PC first, then plop into the Incognito (powered off), then power up and use FDisk from SDX to partition it, then FORMAT in SDX to fomat the Atari partitions. Finally, Format again in a PC to format the adjusted Fat32 partition size... Jay Thanks for the tip - this will be my 1st use of SIDE. Hoping to get the stand alone cart before my b-day in mid-August. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 Anyone tried carts without swapping the resistors? (just trying to avoid opening the 800 up again ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I didn't change Mine but the 'few' carts that I do own have worked ok.. Mostly I have Language carts. OSS Basic xe-xl-action these work ok for me.. All of the grey carts I have play ok Atari carts run ok.. But, You should wait for candle to say YEA/NAH to leaving the resistors alone. I hope I don't have to open my Atari800 again also.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
candle Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 why not to open them? mices start running in every direction? as for resistors - i would replace them - some carts have 5V lines tied directly to RD4/RD5 signals, and if greater value works for xl/xe series, why not use it? its just waste of energy (me being "green" ha ha.. good one..) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 9, 2012 Share Posted May 9, 2012 I originally installed 1k's, but will swap to 2.2k just to be a bit safer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted May 10, 2012 Share Posted May 10, 2012 I was able to fdisk a Sandisk 512 CF card today....Played more game...from ths SDmicro, and NUXX drive. Fat32-incognito is working great also.. @candle Today also I was testing the Ram and 320 CompyShop only returned 8 blocks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted May 11, 2012 Share Posted May 11, 2012 (edited) Installed 2.7k resistors. All carts now working fine, including sic! cart and 8mb Atarimax cart. The last word looks great on an 800, shame my space bar is knackered Edited May 11, 2012 by mimo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Installed 2.7k resistors. All carts now working fine, including sic! cart and 8mb Atarimax cart. The last word looks great on an 800, shame my space bar is knackered I tried to get my Sic!cart into my Atari800 and it wouldn't fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariGeezer Posted May 13, 2012 Share Posted May 13, 2012 Installed 2.7k resistors. All carts now working fine, including sic! cart and 8mb Atarimax cart. The last word looks great on an 800, shame my space bar is knackered I tried to get my Sic!cart into my Atari800 and it wouldn't fit. Pull the case apart and mount with the parts facing you Jay 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sloopy Posted May 15, 2012 Share Posted May 15, 2012 Installed 2.7k resistors. All carts now working fine, including sic! cart and 8mb Atarimax cart. The last word looks great on an 800, shame my space bar is knackered I tried to get my Sic!cart into my Atari800 and it wouldn't fit. Pull the case apart and mount with the parts facing you Jay Same with the MegaMax Modul, have to remove it from the case, but works with plain PCB in the slot... sloopy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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