Omegamatrix Posted June 20, 2010 Author Share Posted June 20, 2010 Asterix NTSC was released in Mexico and Canada in small quantities. In your rom set it's listed as a prototype. Because Asterix was released the final version of it should drop the prototype term in your rom set. It'd be nice to get a rom dump of the final, released version so that it is verified either way. Right now I don't know what was done when, and not too many people have this cart. Another cart I always wondered about is BMX Airmaster (Atari) NTSC. Is it 100% the same as the TNT version? Probably... but I don't trust roms that have been floating around on the net for years. So either one day I acquire one and dump it, or someone else dumps it. Then I post about it here to document it so that people can look back years later and know this game is verified. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 I fully agree, Omega. Well, let's hope someone who owns these is going to dump them for us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bfstats Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Another cart I always wondered about is BMX Airmaster (Atari) NTSC. Is it 100% the same as the TNT version? Probably... but I don't trust roms that have been floating around on the net for years. So either one day I acquire one and dump it, or someone else dumps it. Then I post about it here to document it so that people can look back years later and know this game is verified. Omega & ROM, I can't answer this question with absolute certainty, but I CAN tell you that I got my TNT version DIRECT FROM ATARI in August of 1990. The first I'd heard of the game was when I saw it on an ATARI Price List and ordered it along with several other late releases. Needless to say, I was surprised when what was shipped to me was NOT in an Atari box. Years later when I discovered there existed an Atari version of the BOX, I was miffed that wasn't what Atari sent me in '90. Seems safe to speculate that Atari acquired the game from TNT and sold what had already been packaged before printing their own boxes. Just a theory, but a sound one, in my humble opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Seems safe to speculate that Atari acquired the game from TNT and sold what had already been packaged before printing their own boxes. Just a theory, but a sound one, in my humble opinion. Sounds very plausible. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 21, 2010 Share Posted June 21, 2010 Indeed. Then it's fair to say it's the same ROM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 I was mostly wondering if Atari ever changed the logo and copyrights from the TNT version? Those would be the most likely differences if there is any. Or even better a rom dump would ultimately resolve any doubt. Even though I'm 85% sure it'll be the same I can't say it is without proof. Know what I mean? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 Speaking of BMX Air Master: What exactly is the difference between the PAL Atari ROM and the PAL TNT (HES) ROM in the V5 collection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) Disassembly needed... All changes in the first bank only. Once you get beyond a handful of byte value changes, the data pattern becomes skewed by about 17 bytes from $x340 all the way to $xAF9 (what is present at $x3A0 in the Atari version is at $x3B1 in the TNT version, for example). Further down, this skew is reversed...data is present in TNT that appears later in the Atari version. At first glance, it looks like some code or data has been added to the Atari version (which is zeroed in TNT), as there are no corresponding patches of zeros there. Another handful of various byte changes follow that. Anybody already disassemble either version of the game? Edited June 22, 2010 by Nukey Shay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 22, 2010 Author Share Posted June 22, 2010 I've never disassembled either one. So the PAL Atari rom and PAL TNT are different? I wish I had checked that before. Now I really want the Atari NTSC rom dumped and checked! I will add it to the first post tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 22, 2010 Share Posted June 22, 2010 (edited) BTW: I don't think a PAL TNT cart was ever released. IMO it actually is a PAL HES cart (showing the TNT logo on the label and box). http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-bmx-air-master_17062.html Edited June 22, 2010 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 23, 2010 Author Share Posted June 23, 2010 BTW: I don't think a PAL TNT cart was ever released. IMO it actually is a PAL HES cart (showing the TNT logo on the label and box). I'm a little confused. In your rom set the PAL version says TNT and nothing about HES. So does that rom belong to a HES cart or a TNT cart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 23, 2010 Share Posted June 23, 2010 (edited) BTW: I don't think a PAL TNT cart was ever released. IMO it actually is a PAL HES cart (showing the TNT logo on the label and box). I'm a little confused. In your rom set the PAL version says TNT and nothing about HES. So does that rom belong to a HES cart or a TNT cart? IMO the information in my V5 ROM set is not correct. It must be: BMX Air Master (HES) (PAL), instead of BMX Air Master (1989) (TNT Games, Adam Clayton) (26192) (PAL) I always thought it belonged to a PAL TNT cart (according to the Stella.pro info), but strictly spoken these don't exist. But you have to own the box to know that. By looking at the cart label alone, you don't notice it's a HES release. Just like these: http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-tomcat-the-f-14-fighter-simulator_15648.html http://www.atarimania.com/game-atari-2600-vcs-river-raid-ii_17922.html Edited June 23, 2010 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 24, 2010 Author Share Posted June 24, 2010 That makes more sense now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted June 30, 2010 Author Share Posted June 30, 2010 Dino dumped his NTSC Asterix. It's the released version, and it's 100% the same as the prototype. The prototype label can for sure be dropped! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted June 30, 2010 Share Posted June 30, 2010 Will do that. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Question: In PAL Pitfall 2, are the 3 bytes at bytes $23CD-$23CF really $0E in the actual cartridge? They should be $6A or Harry has a white face when running/jumping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eckhard Stolberg Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 Question: In PAL Pitfall 2, are the 3 bytes at bytes $23CD-$23CF really $0E in the actual cartridge? They should be $6A or Harry has a white face when running/jumping. When playing a PAL Pitfall 2 cartridge on a real VCS, Harry's face is white when running/jumping. It's fine when swimming or climbing though. So I suppose $0e is really the value in the cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted July 11, 2010 Share Posted July 11, 2010 (edited) It seems odd that Activision would have missed those 3 color values in the large color table (when all of the other colors are PAL-adjusted). Edited July 11, 2010 by Nukey Shay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 (edited) I remember Harry's white face playing Pitfall II back in the eighties. I always thought his face was turning pink red because of making the effort to climb and swim. It's in the original cartridge, allright. Edited July 21, 2010 by Rom Hunter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Weird. Running must not be very popular in Europe I mean it would be a different story if those 3 bytes were used for something else too, or if palette conversion were impossible for the color used ($1x, $ex, $Fx). Neither is the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Can someone post a picture of this? I'm sort of curious now. Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickeycolumbus Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Can someone post a picture of this? I'm sort of curious now. Tempest Here you go Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tempest Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Weird! It looks like he's about to burst a blood vessel when he's swimming. Cool stuff! Tempest Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rom Hunter Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Weird. Running must not be very popular in Europe LOL I mean it would be a different story if those 3 bytes were used for something else too, or if palette conversion were impossible for the color used ($1x, $ex, $Fx). Neither is the case. So it was on purpose then? That's a nice touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nukey Shay Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 It was either intentional or a mistake that had never been corrected. The latter could be the case due to the custom chip (a recall before assembly would have been very costly and put the game behind schedule). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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