How would folks feel.

[Gorf]

You are implying that most companies are interested in this concept of protecting IP. You have made this suggestion more then once. No, you have not specificly said others ARE or that they have to subscribe to your thinking, but you do continualy reference protecting the IP's of others work in relation to your proposed idea. While it maybe true, it's still an assumption on your part when regarding anyone you have not personaly discussed the matter with.

 

I only spoke of those companies I know to be true. I never once blanketed the entire industry.

 

 

I think you're assuming and reading things that aren't there on these points as no where have I said or implied that you are wrong for wanting to protect your IP. I have repeatedly said you can do whatever you want. Every point I made goes to the paragraph above.

 

I never once blanketed the entire industry. And I am still willing to bet you would NOT

bet against what I said. I am willing to bet there are a lot more .... A LOT more companies

and IP owners, that DO care about there IP's and if someone is 'borrowing' more than you think.

 

Saying "being stuck up on controlling" is NOT the same thing as calling you stuck up or a control freak. "Stuck up on" in this sense is a figure of speech equal to "hung up on" or "excessively focused on" or "concerned with". Not intended as an insult to you personaly. Sorry if you took it as such.

 

 

I am very concerned with it. I think I explained why rather resonably actually.

 

There is a clear implication of that right there. Is there any way to alter that basic statement as written to convey the same point you were attempting to make while at the same time not making the suggested implication?

 

Lets try: "but three socialist thinking artists who understand the hard work invovled are hardly enough to convience anyone with enough common sense to understand the hard work invovled." Aside from being a contradiction, it doesn't make any sense.

 

 

Well I dont think Im am inaccurate. Socialist tend to want everyone to distribute thier work

for nothing. Share and share a like, to each his own according to his....you know the mantra.

 

 

 

I'm sorry, but implications are part of language. Intentional or not. You can't hide behind the guise of "I didn't litterly say word for word such and such" because there is always more to it then that. Trust me, as I used to try to be as litteral as possible, and it never failed that someone would interpret what I wrote differently then how I intended.

 

 

Fine so if its no ones fault, why bring it up? this is natural from human to huan and has

been throughout history.

 

You don't aggree with what? By and large, I aggree with you more then I think you realize.

 

With my stance or my 'hang up' on my ip protection.

 

 

However, I'd like to check out

My problem at the moment is that everything is in storage. Honestly, aside from my two pirmary PC's, a couple of consoles and some clothes, everything I own is still sitting in uhaul boxes and has been since 2002 when I first moved to OKC, OK. All in all, the last five years of my life have really kind of sucked. I would really love nothing more then a steady source of self sustaining income and access to all my possession. Hopefully one day.

[Shannon]

This topic coming from someone who was forced to take his (not original) product off the market because the original ip holders did not approve?

Your point? and how it releates to this?

Conflict of interest? Hypocrisy? Coincidence (with the recent CF anouncement)?

 

Take your pick.

I get the impression the topic starter expects to be able to live off of his Jaguar earnings.

Please show me where you derived this nonsense from other than you own wild imagination.

From your very own posts which must be pretty poorly written for me to derive this supposed "nonsense" from. My english may not be the best, but yours is certainly no better. Rather than trying to be clearer about what you mean you prefer to argue nonsensically. You act like you'll be eating a cup of noodles if you don't get your money on a game that you ported. A game which you cannot even sell anymore cause you never had the ip rights to begin with. (sigh).

Why ask our opinions if we, as non-coders, didn't spend "hours" thus rendering our opinion worthless?

Essentially. Your opinion means little to ME, the guy who spends countless hours working on these product. And exactly why it's not a suprise you don't get it.

Exactly my point and you just proved it. The question seems geared towards the average Jag collector who may be interested in legal use of ROMS yet you say his opinion does not count. Why are you wasting our time with a meaningless thread where nobody's opinion counts? Why not post this in a programmers forum?

Seriously. Am I missing something?

From the looks of this post....everything. You clearly did not read or you

are horrible at comprehending things.

I don't think I'm missing anything. You obviously are though.

 

btw you didn't seem to take much effort to clear things up, but rather resorted to insults. How do you expect people to take you seriously with an attitude like that?

Edited October 5, 2007 by Shannon

[Gorf]

Conflict of interest? Hypocrisy? Coincidence (with the recent CF anouncement)?

 

Ok, you know some big words, now apply them to this.

 

Conflicts of interest would be continuing to produce Gorf regardless or not showing anyconcern.

I corrected my ship. Nice try, even if it is rather pathetic.

 

From your very own posts which must be pretty poorly written for me to derive this supposed "nonsense" from.

My english may not be the best, but yours is certainly no better.

 

Yeah this is relevant....

 

Rather than trying to be clearer about what you mean you prefer to argue nonsensically.

You act like you'll be eating a cup of noodles if you don't get your money on a game that you ported.

 

Again, show me where I did this other than, in your wild imagination.

I dont expect someone who cant even distinguish my dealings with

Midway and Gorf as opposed to blatant piracy to make sense of

anything. Again, Im not suprised.

 

 

A game which you cannot even sell anymore cause you never had the ip rights to begin with. (sigh).

 

So now you take the story and twist it and take it out of context to bolster your point.

Go ask Jamie Fenton..better yet dont bother, its poted all over the place what REALLY

happened. You win clueless of the year award.

 

 

Exactly my point and you just proved it. The question seems geared towards the average Jag collector who

may be interested in legal use of ROMS yet you say his opinion does not count.

 

This was your off topic spin to the thread...it has NOTHING to do with right or anything but like usual

your ilk is always grasping from things that are not really there.

 

Why are you wasting our time with a meaningless thread where nobody's opinion counts? Why not post this in a programmers forum?

 

Again, you change the topic and want to make me look like I brought this up? You want to try

to equate my dealings with Gorf and Midway the same as those who steal roms? Your swinging

but you're missing badly.

 

I don't think I'm missing anything.

 

Oh trust me, if you post this nonsense you definitely don't get a thing.

 

You obviously are though.

 

You have not made ANYTHING obvious other than what floats around in your wild imagination.

Shooting your mouth off without ANY facts to back your blather up really makes you looks ridiculous.

But then again, it is just blather so you can't possible have anything of substance with this anyway.

[Shannon]

Exactly who was this topic addressed too? Considering how assinine youre responses have been I know that I certainly would not want you trying to convince companies to make their binaries available for reasonable purchase.

 

Strong words coming from someone who was essentially forced to stop selling a product he had not legal rights too. Let me ask you this. If that did not happen, then why did you choose to stop selling Gorf to the Jaguar community? I asked if I was missing something and all you did is respond with a bunch of insults and empty rhetoric.

 

Once again you respond to my post with useless answer. I've seen better bullshit from lesser people. You obviously seem to have a vested interest in this conversation considering how often you check and reply to it.

 

It seems that answering questions with a proper answer seems to evade you. Feel free to stop by again when you are ready to actually give an honest answer and stop beating around the bush. You sure would save yourself alot of valuable time.

 

How do you expect to convince people with sorry ass responses like that is beyond me. You are obviously convinced that everyone elses viewpoint but yours is incorrect. Why do you even bother?

 

I'm still waiting for the threats to stop Jaguar development to come.

 

Please... If your gonna respond with the same bullshit, don't bother. I'm here for an honest discussion not some agenda that I refuse to admit too.

Edited October 5, 2007 by Shannon

[Deranged_desperado]

Winds of change are blowing. It's really exciting to be in Sweden right now and see the revolution up close.

 

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financi...c5-eae4e83139da

 

I might add that the "Green party" mentioned in the article is already in the parliament, so things are looking really good for the Pirate Party right now.

Edited October 5, 2007 by Deranged_desperado

[Gorf]

Exactly who was this topic addressed too? Considering how assinine youre responses have been I know that I certainly would not want you trying to convince companies to make their binaries available for reasonable purchase.

 

You have no real argument here and you say Im assinine? This is truly laughable. My posts and responses

are based on what I happen to understand according to people in these companies, something you dont

know.

 

 

Strong words coming from someone who was essentially forced to stop selling a product he had not legal rights too. Let me ask you this. If that did not happen, then why did you choose to stop selling Gorf to the Jaguar community? I asked if I was missing something and all you did is respond with a bunch of insults and empty rhetoric.

 

I was given permission by Jamie Fenton the author of the game who says that every deal she had with Midway,

the rights reverted back to her after 20 years. Then we got into a discussion concerning the right of the game on

this site and it was brought to my attention in a harsh way that I may not be in the right. So I di the right thing and

pulled the game immediately. So explain to me how this is even close?

 

Once again you respond to my post with useless answer. I've seen better bullshit from lesser people. You obviously seem to have a vested interest in this conversation considering how often you check and reply to it.

 

Funny but you have obviously been lurking for the same reason. You say my responses are useless, but again, it's not

suprising you dont understand becasue nothing I say no matter how FACTUAL it is will persuade you. You have made

up your mind and your bias could not be more clear, so I don't know who you think you are impressing.

 

You clearly have mis read and misinterpreted this entire thread and have found some of base convoluted reason to grind

your axe here. You have nothing but some fancy words you put together to sound like you actually are saying something

you have a clue about but clearly you dont.

 

It seems that answering questions with a proper answer seems to evade you. Feel free to stop by again when you are ready to actually give an honest answer and stop beating around the bush. You sure would save yourself alot of valuable time.

 

I can't help it if you can't understand clear and simple answer. It is not my fault you are illiterate. I may not spell great

but you obviously cant read other than what is already permenantly burned in your clearly biased mind. Don't blame my

factual answer for your lack of ability to understand them.

 

How do you expect to convince people with sorry ass responses like that is beyond me. You are obviously convinced that everyone elses viewpoint but yours is incorrect. Why do you even bother?

 

Why do you eevn come out in public. Read what you have posted and tell me you are not describing your own self.

The height of a hypocrite calling someone else a hypocrite.

 

Please... If your gonna respond with the same bullshit, don't bother.

 

All you have done is respond with senseless bullshit. I still dont eevn know what the hell your point of all this is

other than to be a trouble maker. Say something substantial if you want to accuse me of something. So far you

are no batter....

 

I'm here for an honest discussion not some agenda that I refuse to admit too.

 

Honest?...excuse me for a second..........ok....

 

What agenda might that be? You throw a lot of BS around yet not one line of your posting give me or anyone a friggin clue

of what the hell you are talking about. You accuse me in general but I still dont see the crime here? Do you even know? I

have to wonder. If you think you are good at english, you must have taken french lessons instead. You present no

evidence of facts or ANYTHING or even a plot. You are the only one coming off looking like an idiot. You are here

to protect your right to free games that you haev no right to and want to use a mistake I made and corrected a long time

ago against me? this is weaker than week. And dont tell me about honest anything. You've not said anything decipherable

nevermind honest since you first open your trap in the first place.

[Gorf]

Winds of change are blowing. It's really exciting to be in Sweden right now and see the revolution up close.

 

http://www.canada.com/nationalpost/financi...c5-eae4e83139da

 

I might add that the "Green party" mentioned in the article is already in the parliament, so things are looking really good for the Pirate Party right now.

 

A man proud of his crime......

[Albert]

Please keep this discussion CIVIL and without INSULTS and NAME CALLING or I *WILL* lock it. If you cannot do that, do not participate in the thread. Thank you.

 

..Al

[phuzaxeman]

Since I returned to Canada from Mexico three months ago, my Jaguar collection has sat in a couple of boxes. All the bickering and bitching has turned me off the Jaguar and caused me to renew interest in the Lynx. I'll probably get interested in the Jaguar once the JagCF issue is resolved - one way or another - but for now the Lynx holds my interest.

 

amen 650.

 

gorf, people are seeing your true self on here. you have a negative response to every idea that's not aligned to yours. and while you make people think that you're doing a service to the jag community, you have cut so many people down with your sarcasm/personal attacks and have turned people away from playing the jag. this jag forum has become the most heated and spiteful forum among atari forums. it's too bad people can't propose a view without getting back insults and full page responses.

 

 

i think i'll go rest my jag for awhile and pop in my 5200 adventure II cart and lynx alpine games...

[Gorf]

gorf, people are seeing your true self on here. you have a negative response to every idea that's not aligned to yours.

 

Ah you just love to find a way to take a shot dont you? all asked us to be civil BTW but i see you wont.

 

and while you make people think that you're doing a service to the jag community,

 

I bet i've done more than you ever will for the Jaguar community.

 

you have cut so many people down with your sarcasm/personal attacks and have turned people away from playing the jag.

 

And you have been the example of peace maker? You are such a hypocrite its hillarious.

You like this very response of yours are doing exactly this like you did in ever thread you

found me in. You start trouble over a tread about fantasy dream games and have the utter

nerve to post this nonsense? This is amazing.

 

this jag forum has become the most heated and spiteful forum among atari forums.

 

Because the unexperienced like yourself think you can with arguing what you don't know

about convince every one you do know.

 

it's too bad people can't propose a view without getting back insults and full page responses.

 

Like the way you haev done things? I say something can be done and you fight me tooth and nail,

not even having a stitch of experience...dont you see what an utter hypocrite you are being?

I propsed fantasy games....and you come in and post...'sorry in your dreams'...remember that?

Sound like what you are bitching about here? You really think you can fool people? Your hypocrisy

is amazing.

 

I see also how you wait to pile on when the rest of the trolls come along and spout BS they dont

even have the story straight on. That comes across rather cowardly. This is like me telling you

you suck at recording, even if you were to offer proof and reasonable argument, but I simply

denied it and kept telling you your are full of it, dont know what you are talking about and are

no help to the recording industry.

 

Think how that would feel...think how you would like that when asked an honest question and tried

to do nothing more than give an honest answer based on your experience. You just think about that

for a while. Then think about having a total novice with NO experience try telling you you're a fool

and you dont know what you aer talking about,EVEN THOUGH he doesn't have the fogiest clue himself.

 

I dont know your skill level at recording and frankly Im not even intersted, but I would show you a lot

better respect than the utter BS you've handed me since day one and becasue you dont like what I

have to say you pile on? You keep showing your smallness every time you respond.

Edited October 6, 2007 by Gorf

[Shannon]

I was given permission by Jamie Fenton the author of the game who says that every deal she had with Midway,

the rights reverted back to her after 20 years. Then we got into a discussion concerning the right of the game on

this site and it was brought to my attention in a harsh way that I may not be in the right. So I di the right thing and

pulled the game immediately. So explain to me how this is even close?

 

Thanks for the clarification. That was about the only thing you've said so far that made sense. All the rest was useless posturing. Well, except for maybe the first message of the topic.

 

Now aside from the fact that I take exception to your seemingly arrogance and unwillingless to patronize other opinions. I'll let the thread resume back to the regularly scheduled topic. Whatever that may have been.

Edited October 6, 2007 by Shannon

[Shaggy the Atarian]

The concept you speak of is a good one Gorf, providing the games through some sort of download service. To be honest I don't know why Atari has just been sitting around not taking advantage of that through all the services available at the moment like GameTap, the Virtual Console, etc. They have only released a few games and considering the financial state companies like Atari find themselves in, you'd think they'd jump all over something like a download service as it's really just profit for them.

[Gorf]

I was given permission by Jamie Fenton the author of the game who says that every deal she had with Midway,

the rights reverted back to her after 20 years. Then we got into a discussion concerning the right of the game on

this site and it was brought to my attention in a harsh way that I may not be in the right. So I di the right thing and

pulled the game immediately. So explain to me how this is even close?

 

Thanks for the clarification. That was about the only thing you've said so far that made sense. All the rest was useless posturing. Well, except for maybe the first message of the topic.

 

Now aside from the fact that I take exception to your seemingly arrogance and unwillingless to patronize other opinions. I'll let the thread resume back to the regularly scheduled topic. Whatever that may have been.

 

 

Wht opinions? You attacked me. I have said I like a lot of others opinions so far. You are dreaming.

You cant be reading the same thread....you cant be. this is just rancid.

 

Go open your eyes after the topic message and you will see you are just wrong. I dont recall telling someone

their idea is unwelcome.

[Gorf]

The concept you speak of is a good one Gorf, providing the games through some sort of download service. To be honest I don't know why Atari has just been sitting around not taking advantage of that through all the services available at the moment like GameTap, the Virtual Console, etc. They have only released a few games and considering the financial state companies like Atari find themselves in, you'd think they'd jump all over something like a download service as it's really just profit for them.

 

But I should be shot for suggesting it?

[Atariboy]

No one ever suggested such a thing. Stop being so dramatic.

[Shaggy the Atarian]

No one ever suggested such a thing. Stop being so dramatic.

 

And it helps when you can't let him be sarcastic without making a snide comment?

[Atariboy]

Probably not...

[Gorf]

No one ever suggested such a thing. Stop being so dramatic.

 

Oh and you aren't dramatic?

[phuzaxeman]

gorf, people are seeing your true self on here. you have a negative response to every idea that's not aligned to yours.

 

Ah you just love to find a way to take a shot dont you? all asked us to be civil BTW but i see you wont.

 

and while you make people think that you're doing a service to the jag community,

 

I bet i've done more than you ever will for the Jaguar community.

 

you have cut so many people down with your sarcasm/personal attacks and have turned people away from playing the jag.

 

And you have been the example of peace maker? You are such a hypocrite its hillarious.

You like this very response of yours are doing exactly this like you did in ever thread you

found me in. You start trouble over a tread about fantasy dream games and have the utter

nerve to post this nonsense? This is amazing.

 

this jag forum has become the most heated and spiteful forum among atari forums.

 

Because the unexperienced like yourself think you can with arguing what you don't know

about convince every one you do know.

 

it's too bad people can't propose a view without getting back insults and full page responses.

 

Like the way you haev done things? I say something can be done and you fight me tooth and nail,

not even having a stitch of experience...dont you see what an utter hypocrite you are being?

I propsed fantasy games....and you come in and post...'sorry in your dreams'...remember that?

Sound like what you are bitching about here? You really think you can fool people? Your hypocrisy

is amazing.

 

I see also how you wait to pile on when the rest of the trolls come along and spout BS they dont

even have the story straight on. That comes across rather cowardly. This is like me telling you

you suck at recording, even if you were to offer proof and reasonable argument, but I simply

denied it and kept telling you your are full of it, dont know what you are talking about and are

no help to the recording industry.

 

Think how that would feel...think how you would like that when asked an honest question and tried

to do nothing more than give an honest answer based on your experience. You just think about that

for a while. Then think about having a total novice with NO experience try telling you you're a fool

and you dont know what you aer talking about,EVEN THOUGH he doesn't have the fogiest clue himself.

 

I dont know your skill level at recording and frankly Im not even intersted, but I would show you a lot

better respect than the utter BS you've handed me since day one and becasue you dont like what I

have to say you pile on? You keep showing your smallness every time you respond.

 

i rest my case. people state an opinion (which you accuse who are trolls) about something and you just shoot people down personally. great job. don't believe me? read the thread of what people have been saying.

 

hypocrite? look in the mirror gorf. your claim that you've done so much for the jag community yet your personal attacks and sarcasm toward others that have different ideas than yours is hypocrisy at its best. pathetic.

 

gorf says, "i bet i've done more than you ever will for the Jaguar community." off course, how could i or anyone do more than you. sorry man, i'm just a normal fan of the jag and enjoy some of the games. i'll never have your jag knowledge and programming skills.

 

and btw, my "skill level in recording?" what does that have to do with this thread? once again you go off tangent. stick to the thread. you wanna debate recording? send me a pm and save everyone the headache. i'd gladly listen to your recordings or whatever it is you want to say about the recording/music industry.

Edited October 6, 2007 by phuzaxeman

[Mord]

*snip*

 

and btw, my "skill level in recording?" what does that have to do with this thread? once again you go off tangent. stick to the thread. you wanna debate recording? send me a pm and save everyone the headache.

 

Since probably the first page, going off tangent -has- been the thread. If we're to actually get back on topic we'd have to deal with the feasibility of getting big companies to make available their old jag games as paid downloadable roms.

 

While a nice idea, I'd have to agree that it's just not feasible if the companies were to be the ones to set it all up with the small niche market they would be catering to. If someone else set up an online shop and handled the roms from multiple old jag companies and just split the profits...

 

 

--

Mord

[phuzaxeman]

yes. lets get back on topic.

Edited October 6, 2007 by phuzaxeman

[A Sprite]

The trouble with this idea is that current Jaguar emulators, as far as I know, are limited in their ability to accurately emulate the original games. You'll be asking people to pay for a product of questionable quality, which may or may not be acceptable to the people involved in making it.

[Gorf]

i rest my case. people state an opinion (which you accuse who are trolls) about something and you just shoot people down personally. great job. don't believe me? read the thread of what people have been saying.

 

You rest your case? You never had a case and I ask again to show me where I put down ANYONE's opinion

You are following me around looking for an excuse to be a jerk. Is that your case? That you cant help but

piss on others experiences.

 

 

hypocrite? look in the mirror gorf. your claim that you've done so much for the jag community yet your personal attacks and sarcasm toward others that have different ideas than yours is hypocrisy at its best. pathetic.

 

Show me where I personally attacked anyone for an idea that did not attack me first...Just ONE example please.

Oh and go look up the definition of 'hypocrite', hypocrite.

 

gorf says, "i bet i've done more than you ever will for the Jaguar community."

 

Yes I have.....more than YOU will ever do.

 

off course, how could i

 

Because I know Im right here....Please show me one thing you have done other

than pick uneccessary fights with me? I've done more in ONE day for the Jag

than a troll like you will ever do in his life time.

 

or anyone

 

This is your own idea and not the truth beacsue you cant be told reality, especially when it does

not match your fantasy. In that other thread everyone else saw that you were the being the

trouble maker.

 

There are those in this community who DO do plenty and eevn more than me so

stop putting words in my mouth so you stop looking like a fool because it wont

help. You still look like a fool. I do more for this commmunity than you ever COULD

never mind would.

 

do more than you.

 

No just mcuh more than anything YOU, (dont drag others into this like a liar)

will ever do for this community.

 

sorry man, i'm just a normal fan of the jag and enjoy some of the games.

I'll never have your jag knowledge and programming skills.

 

 

Yet you come here and try to tell me, a guy with over 12 years of coding experience

on the Jaguar alone.

 

 

and btw, my "skill level in recording?" what does that have to do with this thread?

 

It has EVERYTHING to do with the way you piss on my experience as a Jaguar coder.

You since day one have acted like you have a million years of coding knowledge over

me and no matter what links of evidence I showed you, im was treated by you like a

coding novice. So I bring up the possibiliyt of some one doing the same thing to you

via your recording experience. Every here of similar yet unrelated situations?

I know your not too bright or you would see the obvious relation here.

 

 

once again you go off tangent.

 

It is you who went off on a tangent to attack me unfounded becaseu you obviously

are the one who thinks he is smarter than everyone else. Especially someone with

more Jaguar experience than you.

 

stick to the thread.

 

Practice what you preach, hypocrite.

 

you wanna debate recording? send me a pm and save everyone the headache. i'd gladly listen to your

recordings or whatever it is you want to say about the recording/music industry.

 

I dont want to debate anything with you. I do wnat you to stop causing un provoked trouble

with me in every thread you find a lame opportunity to do so. You accusations against me

are nothing but BS and lies. If they are not, evidence please.

 

..this is not about the recording industry but about a novice such as youeself telling an experienced

like my self he dont know what he is talking about. Pick WHATEVER industry. It's stil the height

of arrogance to do it and you have done it here manys time with me concerning my experience

with the Jaguar. Im trying to find out how you'd feel if someone did that to you with your

recording skills and experiences. My guess is you would not be to friendly about it at all.

 

You can have any opinion you want about the Jaguar but if you are not factual, I will correct you.

I started this thread to find out people's feeling about this subject so it isonly natural I will answer

a good deal of the posts. Why you complain abotu this is retarded. Usually the topic starter is the

most vocal, at least in my experiences. Yet...this is somehow an offense to you.

 

talk about someone who give page long responses and off topic even.

[Gorf]

yes. lets get back on topic.

Don't shoot your mouth off and steeer it off topic in the first place.

The balls of some people, I tell ya.

[Gorf]

*snip*

 

and btw, my "skill level in recording?" what does that have to do with this thread? once again you go off tangent. stick to the thread. you wanna debate recording? send me a pm and save everyone the headache.

 

Since probably the first page, going off tangent -has- been the thread. If we're to actually get back on topic we'd have to deal with the feasibility of getting big companies to make available their old jag games as paid downloadable roms.

 

While a nice idea, I'd have to agree that it's just not feasible if the companies were to be the ones to set it all up with the small niche market they would be catering to. If someone else set up an online shop and handled the roms from multiple old jag companies and just split the profits...

 

 

--

Mord

 

An online shop is a good way. Again, the least trouble we make for the companies, the more willing they might

be to do this. Again, all of this is a long shot but really what can it hurt to try? You dribble, shoot and hope for the best.