ataricrypt Posted January 25, 2016 Share Posted January 25, 2016 I think that's a great idea, I'm sure there has to be a demand for this :-) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3424343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoder Posted January 26, 2016 Share Posted January 26, 2016 I like my Best cable and it does mono but I don't use mono. I just boot into medium res and then switch to low res and then play a game. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3424666 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted January 28, 2016 Share Posted January 28, 2016 Use the best cable myself. Looks awesome and loving the 1970VX!! 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3426721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoder Posted January 29, 2016 Share Posted January 29, 2016 Looks like I'm the only one with jailbars with the Best cable. I had jailbars on my Genesis until I got a new cable with "boosted sync" from retro console accessories. The jailbars are still there but are so minor as to be no longer a factor. They are so annoying on the ST that I don't enjoy gaming with them. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3427128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
papa_november Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Yes, medium res is fine as expected, the monitor doesn't know the difference between ST low and medium, sees both as 640x240. Looks better if the image is stretched a bit wider horizontally though. Attached is the brochure for the NEC 70 series monitors, and the manual for the monitor I have. There is no mention of being able to support 640x240 or the horizontal or vertical refresh rates. I wonder if other monitors in this series have this ability to support the ST too, the full series is: LCD1570NX, LCD1770VX, LCD1770NX, LCD1770NXM, LCD1970VX, LCD1970NX, LCD2070VX, LCD2070NX, LCD2070WNX, LCD2170NX, LCD2470WVX, LCD2470WNX. Here's the info display on the monitor in 50 and 60 Hz mode, which contradicts the manuals: 1970VX50Hz.jpg 1970VX60Hz.jpg Just tried an NEC MultiSync LCD2070WNX - no go at all whatsoever. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3440767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 Just tried an NEC MultiSync LCD2070WNX - no go at all whatsoever. Interesting, can you add it to the wiki as not working? http://www.atari-wiki.com/index.php/Flat_Panel_Displays Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3440842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataricrypt Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Use the best cable myself. Looks awesome and loving the 1970VX!! Looks nice! My custom made cable works a treat but I strangely get vertical marks (like scratches) whenever the computer is doing something that pushes it. During a game and certainly most demos show it! A bit annoying but just wondered if others get similar? I also get the vertical jailbars in ST High. Heck, that's also something I can live with! So long as I'm able to enjoy my STe again Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3440998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted February 15, 2016 Author Share Posted February 15, 2016 I also get the vertical jailbars in ST High. Heck, that's also something I can live with! Do you get those on the ST's desktop? If so, that's likely an interference pattern which can be minimised or reduced with the hoeizontal size setting. Or open and expand a window- the desktop will so more interference than a typical program. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3441077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ataricrypt Posted February 15, 2016 Share Posted February 15, 2016 Yeah i get the jailbars on the desktop pattern.. so I just changed that to solid and we're good to go I've tried the monitor horizontal setting all the way but nothing changed... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3441241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Dangerous Posted February 16, 2016 Share Posted February 16, 2016 Looks like I'm the only one with jailbars with the Best cable. I had jailbars on my Genesis until I got a new cable with "boosted sync" from retro console accessories. The jailbars are still there but are so minor as to be no longer a factor. They are so annoying on the ST that I don't enjoy gaming with them. I do get jail-bars with the best cable, but they are so minor that I can more or less ignore them no problem. Still, I would be interested in "boosted sync" cable one day if one becomes available. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3442226 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryoder Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 Update. The Genesis cable is awesome but while moving the hdmi converter smoothes the picture and then it snaps back to clear when movement stops. The picture also darkens just a bit. I just ordered a scart to component converter to see if it helps. I think it will do less processing and might not have these nasty effects. Also ordered an adapter for my A600 to see how it works on the LCD. If thst doesn't work I'll pick up an Individision ECS. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3442533 Share on other sites More sharing options...
calimero Posted February 17, 2016 Share Posted February 17, 2016 I just try NEC 1960NXi and it does not work with ST low 15KHz mode - there is "no sync" message on monitor Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3442754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted February 25, 2016 Share Posted February 25, 2016 This is a Mega STe on the 1970VX with a Best VGA cable. Too bad I don't have the desk space for an old low-resolution 4:3 monitor. I hope the Gonbes 8220 solution I am working on will look as good. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3449869 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 What desktop is that? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3459917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 What desktop is that? That's the standard GEM desktop in LOW! DERP! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3459966 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted March 5, 2016 Share Posted March 5, 2016 Icons look a little different. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3459970 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fletch Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Icons look a little different. Looks like TOS 2.06 to me. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3460334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pixelmischief Posted March 6, 2016 Share Posted March 6, 2016 Looks like TOS 2.06 to me. Actually, it's TOS 2.05. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3460623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) +1 for 1970VX and Best cable. Cable just arrived today (just 3-days to deliver from West coast to East coast - thanks Brad!) and the 1970VX handles all resolutions really well. Quality of the cable is very high. Low-resolution is sharp and colorful. Medium loses some definition like others have mentioned here, but with the right screen font it is perfectly serviceable. High resolution has very good fidelity. Don't see any loss of detail there. I am getting no jailbars (STe) so am happy about that, (*edit* After experimenting a bit I can seem to get some jailbars in High if I set the background to a certain hatch pattern, but I am not sure if that is just an illusion of the pattern or the monitor. I don't get them otherwise so I tend to think it is the pattern itself. Easy solution: I don't use that hatch pattern ). Thanks to all for recommending the cable. It's a good purchase. The quality of the Hi/Lo(Med) switch is especially nice as it seems very sturdy. I think it will last a long time. I have a 1550M I'm going to try next. It's a smaller monitor but has speakers built-in. One question I'm not sure if it has been asked before, but can the 1970VX's "optimal resolution is 1280x1024" pop-up message be turned off somehow? It only takes one button press to clear, but it would be nice just to turn it off. Edited March 17, 2016 by TheNameOfTheGame 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3470284 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 (edited) Found the option to turn off the "Optimal Resolution" message so that is good. The 1550M has similar firmware and it's message can be turned off also. Hooked up the 1550M. It works great in Hi. But for Med and Lo I would say the 1970VX is better due to the fact that the 1550M has quite large borders in comparison. I mean the picture is good and it does work in all 3 resolutions, but the effective perceived screen area utilized is smaller compared to the 1970VX due to the larger borders. And since the 1550M is a smaller monitor to begin with I would definitely pick the 1970VX given the choice of the two. There are some adjustments available from the menu so the screen can be stretched and moved somewhat but I still prefer the 1970VX. However, the 1550M does include built-in speakers so that could be a positive if desk space was limited. Edited March 17, 2016 by TheNameOfTheGame 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3470402 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 That's what the floor is for - tower speakers and sub woofers so we can hear those cool Euro demo's in all their glory. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3470523 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheNameOfTheGame Posted March 17, 2016 Share Posted March 17, 2016 haha yea that would rock the house! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3470918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted March 18, 2016 Share Posted March 18, 2016 <best Yoda voice> There is no would, only does (at least when my wife is not home!). Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3470964 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tjlazer Posted April 3, 2016 Share Posted April 3, 2016 I got the NEC 1970vx and the Best cable. Working ok, but the scaler is not too good. Seems to stretch the screen. Low res looks good, but med res is hard. Adjusting the H SIZE helps a little. What are the best settings to use? Also, on VGA mode I cannot get it clear and white. I get interference (noise) and the color looks yellowing/dim. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3482508 Share on other sites More sharing options...
atarian63 Posted April 5, 2016 Share Posted April 5, 2016 (edited) Just got a 1970vx today,my ste looks OK lots of vertical lines in high res, however the mega ste looks awful, lines in all res kinda pixelated. Using a new BEST cable. Regular non mega ste has a new Best power supply, mega is a fresh ebay purchase so I need to check it with a real st monitor to see if the mega is the issue. Any suggestions for 1970vx adjustments are welcome if you think it will help. Edited April 5, 2016 by atarian63 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/230561-lcd-monitor-that-supports-st-low-res-nec-multisync-lcd-1970vx/page/7/#findComment-3484125 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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