irich2 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 15 hours ago, Timothy Kline said: For those who prefer a torrent-free direct download: https://atari-owner.com/fun/atari-preserved-software/ --Tim I do!! Thank you, Tim!! Successfully downloaded!! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308501 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcamp48 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 So do I Tim, thank you very much , I will stick it up on my Mega site for safe keeping, you know hard drive crashes , etc. Russ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308505 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Have included a torrent file. Please remove: .txt from the file. Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2019-07-09.torrent.txt 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 @luckybuck since the forum upgrade Albert has removed all the file type restrictions so you should be able to upload anything at all now, including .torrent files. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308572 Share on other sites More sharing options...
luckybuck Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Thank you, so you see, I am really too old and have a great lack of time... Just hope, this will change in the near future. ? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308576 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rcamp48 Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Great news guys, REspeqt works as a Happy drive and my Mini Speedy works also as a Happy drive, it actually reads and writes ATX files I will do a video of it working on The Cosmic Balance, I just finished writing the ATX file from drive 2 to drive 1 with my 10502PC device from Lotharek, don't know I if have the latest version, but I have had a few ATX files work, as long as there are no weak sectors it works. Will let you know if the Cosmic Balance copy actually works, its my favourite game.... besides Spy Vs Spy. Pictures are below: Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nezgar Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 23 hours ago, Timothy Kline said: The magnet isn't loading for me here, and using a Torrent search doesn't seem to turn up any results, either. Is anyone else getting a working torrent from the link? There's some unicode mumbojumbo before the &dn= and hyphens of the filename in the magnet link, and got it to work with my client after removing the unicode characters. Here is a link that should work for those having issues. Maybe AtariAge's standard text editor mangled it. Maybe best to paste in a code block like this? It appears to highlight unicode characters when editing. magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e7fa4e5ddb3dd136fd99a407af5b8abb5a22ebf4&dn=Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2019-07-09 Thanks doc, pulled it down within minutes after figuring this out, will seed for foreseeable future or until superseded. Edit: Nope, copying from my code block and pasting into a non-unicode aware editor still shows a unicode unknown block before the "&dn", after 2019, and after 09.. Hmm... AtariAge definitely mangling it. erg 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308641 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 The magnet code should work as that's how I got it but the browser must have magnet: as a mime type to pick up on it internally which most torrent software sets up for you. My problem was that the torrent was getting for me but as I found out with Tim, that it was not constantly seeding and I left it on the whole day and failed to even make a ratio of 1 ie giving back what I downloaded. It just seeded tiny bits and I would see a user come on for 2 secs and then drop off. Gave up when I turned the PC off last night in the early UK hours. All I can say is no idea re the torrent seeding but great follow up by others to offer alternatives which is handy as many shy away from torrents because of the perceived view of them. People should remember that its only a major problem / risk is you stream high visibility mostly current or recent copyrighted material, if its your own work there's no legal issue and stuff that's old like this stuff that unless a person lodges a copyright infringement then there's no problem is using these torrents. The Preservation project has been very open and asks copyright holders who object to let them know..SO basically enjoy the torrent.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308645 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukdukgoos Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 This file looks to be named incorrectly: Hi-Res Adventure #4 - Ulysses and the Golden Fleece (1982)(SierraVenture)(US)[a SierraVenture][disk].zip My guess is maybe it's supposed to be: Hi-Res Adventure #4 - Ulysses and the Golden Fleece (1982)(SierraVenture)(US)[a][disk].zip Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 Just perusing the latest set of files and noticed Blaster is in there but not marked as a proto? I've not read the preservation FAQ in a while but were proto's meant to be included? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 12, 2019 Share Posted July 12, 2019 (edited) Yes the editor is a mangler Edited July 12, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4308764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted July 13, 2019 Share Posted July 13, 2019 Mega link updated https://mega.nz/#F!A0sh2KoJ!IhAlzGhEcmAH8jfORRXPXg Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309336 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toddtmw Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Can anyone provide an explanation on why the torrent is a zip of zips? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309510 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Because we like it that way, of course. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309570 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 If you Un-Zip the Zips into the proper place, then it is perfect. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309571 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shannon Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 4 hours ago, toddtmw said: Can anyone provide an explanation on why the torrent is a zip of zips? No worse then TAR 'ing a file and then zipping it... :LOL: Edited July 14, 2019 by Shannon Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukdukgoos Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 4 hours ago, toddtmw said: Can anyone provide an explanation on why the torrent is a zip of zips? It's not a zip of zips. The games themselves are zipped but the overall torrent isn't. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 And of course, the reason they are zipped is obvious When you do see a double zipped release its because its part of 'scene' rules, items get compacted twice, not sure why (most compressed ratio?) and the scene has so many strange rules.. Others copy what they see on scene releases, bit like all those people who hold their phone like you see them do on The UK Apprentice tv show..There's a simple reason they do that on the show and its a daft way in real life yet people think it makes them look 'cool'.....sigh... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) The torrent is not zipped but the individual files are. The HTTP server is also individual zipped files.. the zip ensures the integrity of the files. Their are more than one torrent, http, mega and other methods of delivery now, each person and each site delivers the files in their own way.... even torrentzipped This is a torrent folder this time instead of a zip of zips but that another story. Edited July 14, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 Thanks to all that have seeded and/or made download links available. On 7/12/2019 at 10:29 AM, dukdukgoos said: This file looks to be named incorrectly: Hi-Res Adventure #4 - Ulysses and the Golden Fleece (1982)(SierraVenture)(US)[a SierraVenture][disk].zip Thanks for pointing this out. It should not have the [a] flag at all. It will be corrected in the next release. 12 hours ago, toddtmw said: Can anyone provide an explanation on why the torrent is a zip of zips? As others have said, you should not be seeing a "zip of zips" - if you are, you might be downloading an older torrent release. What you should be seeing is a ZIP file for each release on the website. Each file within the zip is a dump associated with that release (also as shown on the website). So the zip file is leveraged partially as a grouping mechanism. More importantly, however, is that some of the cassette dumps that have audio channels are distributed as large WAV files -- the ZIP files help at least a little to get the size down a bit. 7ZIP at high compression would be even better but I assume that could cause some folks to have problems extracting them. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309725 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Kline Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 13 hours ago, toddtmw said: Can anyone provide an explanation on why the torrent is a zip of zips? ... 53 minutes ago, Farb said: As others have said, you should not be seeing a "zip of zips" - if you are, you might be downloading an older torrent release. What you should be seeing is a ZIP file for each release on the website. Each file within the zip is a dump associated with that release (also as shown on the website). So the zip file is leveraged partially as a grouping mechanism. More importantly, however, is that some of the cassette dumps that have audio channels are distributed as large WAV files -- the ZIP files help at least a little to get the size down a bit. 7ZIP at high compression would be even better but I assume that could cause some folks to have problems extracting them. Hi, toddtmw, The file presently available for download from Atari-Owner is simply a "boxed" version of the individual ZIPs which came as part of the latest preservationist torrent release. When extracted, it generates a mirror to the torrent's contents as they were delivered to me upon release, because the integrity of the official archive is as important to me as it is to both everyone involved in providing this important collection and everyone provisioning its distribution through various downloadable methods. Hope that helps, —Tim Edited July 14, 2019 by Timothy Kline Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309754 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyJennings Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 Is there a reason you guys don't just put all this stuff on Archive.org like the Apple guys are doing? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309835 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, TobyJennings said: Is there a reason you guys don't just put all this stuff on Archive.org like the Apple guys are doing? It's a problem of time and level of effort. Things are still changing so often in the preservation database that it would be a nightmare to keep things on archive.org up to date without building some custom tooling to support it. The torrent approach makes it easy because we can just re-generate the torrent from scratch every release. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309839 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TobyJennings Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 5 minutes ago, Farb said: It's a problem of time and level of effort. Things are still changing so often in the preservation database that it would be a nightmare to keep things on archive.org up to date without building some custom tooling to support it. The torrent approach makes it easy because we can just re-generate the torrent from scratch every release. I think we might have different definitions of "easy" but it's your rodeo. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Farb Posted July 14, 2019 Author Share Posted July 14, 2019 3 minutes ago, TobyJennings said: I think we might have different definitions of "easy" but it's your rodeo. My definition of "easy" is what makes it sustainable to continue the preservation work we do. Creating distribution channels for the dumps simply doesn't have a high priority and the current method works even if not ideal. If you are interested in doing the work to maintain it on archive.org we can certainly discuss how to support that. Otherwise, you get what you pay for ? 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/67/#findComment-4309848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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