+Fred_M Posted July 14, 2019 Share Posted July 14, 2019 (edited) 36 minutes ago, TobyJennings said: Is there a reason you guys don't just put all this stuff on Archive.org like the Apple guys are doing? Looking at the link you just posted..... Just a bunch of different archives. No structure at all..... Sorry but I think that is not "easy" at all ? There are several ways to obtain the software. I would not be suprised when a previous torrent has been uploaded there already Edited July 14, 2019 by Fred_M Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4309853 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukdukgoos Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 Why are people so afraid of torrents? It's easily the best way to distribute archives of software like this, as the MAME, TOSEC, etc etc guys have all proved over time. The only suggestion I'd make is when you post a new torrent link post the DAT file separately as well. That would allow us to use the DAT to do any renames before even joining the torrent, and hence join with a higher completion ratio. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310419 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 https://archive.org/details/Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2019-07-09 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310556 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 5 hours ago, dukdukgoos said: Why are people so afraid of torrents? https://www.informationsecuritybuzz.com/articles/torrenting-know-risks-take/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/utorrent-client-affected-by-some-pretty-severe-security-flaws/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/bittorrent-users-beware-flaw-lets-hackers-control-your-computer/ Et cetera, but not worth belaboring further in this thread. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 15, 2019 Share Posted July 15, 2019 just another reason not to use transmission or u torrent.... I switched long long long ago. I also had the more vulnerable clients blocked from the torrent. Some folks have to use another client and complain before or after doing so. It's their choice to use insecure clients. It's my choice not to connect with those clients. :) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310639 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukdukgoos Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 4 hours ago, DrVenkman said: https://www.informationsecuritybuzz.com/articles/torrenting-know-risks-take/ https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/security/utorrent-client-affected-by-some-pretty-severe-security-flaws/ https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2018/01/bittorrent-users-beware-flaw-lets-hackers-control-your-computer/ Et cetera, but not worth belaboring further in this thread. Every modern software has security flaws that need to be patched. Not a problem if you use the right program (not uTorrent) and keep it up to date. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310742 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 There's always a risk of fake torrents that are loaded with trojan's and there's many sites that offer what you think is the real download location for the genuine torrent software only to get a patched nasty, if you keep saftey in mind and only get client stuff from the OFFICIAL site which is easy to verify and keep your security up to date then you should be fine. Any fake torrents will get picked up by your AV software in real time mode as they download and your OS security will also help. People just get really scared that torrents are only about BAD / naughty software, that's simply not true, torrents get used by developers to supply software in some cases, things like the preservation team use them because its an easy way to share stuff that's 100% legal and the same goes for much of the old legal stuff. Torrents are what you make of them, look for bad stuff and you risk issues, look for the good stuff and there's very little risk. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 If you ignore all the FUD around bittorrent, the reason for not using it here is that it's a very small pool of users, most of whom are leeches who will hit and run, so there is never a large enough pool of seeders to get the torrent established. On top of that the file sizes are tiny, web sources are more than reliable enough for those sizes, so why bother. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Yeah, the hit and run thing is annoying but expected in these days, the nature now is take take take....Not right but expected.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
dukdukgoos Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 I'll always prefer a torrent for a project like this because it means I only download the delta from one version to the next, rather than the whole thing every time. I'm also seeding away, although because it's a trackerless torrent it's hard to tell how many people are actually seeding. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310817 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 The files in this torrent aren't torrentzipped so there is no guarantee that the same data will have the same crc after compression from one release to the next. The total file size is less than 1GB, how much bandwidth do you think you are going to save going through the 'verify local files, resume torrent' process? This morning I uploaded the files to pigwa, yesterday I put them on archive.org, they are on my website as well. Space and bandwidth is cheap, these files are tiny. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4310837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) the real number of seeds has been varying between 4 to 8 with some consistency with the off high mark of 11 or so, while you think there is no tracker, there are actually 2, I and one other are using built in trackers of our given software. I performed a merge. I felt confident nothing malicious was going to happen when files are executed on our Atari's, that being said, a compare against the source at the project drive couldn't hurt. Feel free to do so... I was stead fast about using a zip of zips for quite some time for this project. I decided to change it this time, and will ask after a time to have folks perform a compare of the torrent vs a ht zip download. If there is no aberration the folder will continue. If so much as one person comes back with a bit out of place... it will go back to a zip of zips. current seeds 7 Edited July 16, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4311077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) I took the HTTP file server down as it was getting hammered with bots, most of which were fishing from China, Russia, and India... but I will put it back up magnet:?xt=urn:btih:e7fa4e5ddb3dd136fd99a407af5b8abb5a22ebf4&dn=Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2019-07-09 do you want to find a specific preserved item, or wish to compare? sure you can... Super duper http file server Edited July 16, 2019 by _The Doctor__ 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4311082 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kyle22 Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 (edited) I can host it with LimeWire Pro. Edit: Add link. magnet:?&xt=urn:sha1:IVAQPSJQ7F3TKB7R7LGWCYHLOWWQEUEF&dn=Atari8bitPreservedSoftware2019-07-09.zip.mp3&xs=http://73.154.49.234:15532/uri-res/N2R?urn:sha1:IVAQPSJQ7F3TKB7R7LGWCYHLOWWQEUEF&xs=urn:guid:B444E8F562FF784C6565D1A2414C9C00&xl=949948824 Edited July 17, 2019 by Kyle22 add link. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4311291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zarxx Posted August 17, 2019 Share Posted August 17, 2019 Collection 6 Small collection including some Originals and the Vulcan Software disks. https://drive.google.com/file/d/1ML124cnMC12VJFdQ-iWPBicOs5mmCE1M/view?usp=sharing Previous Collections https://drive.google.com/file/d/17T4aQH24eVfOf9ncSlng_4E8OihKXMHK/view?usp=sharing 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4331115 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBen Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Small update. I found Kyan Pascal in the collection. All information and manuals can be found here: https://atariwiki.org/wiki/Wiki.jsp?page=Pascal#section-Pascal-KyanPascalCopyrightC1985KyanSoftware Kyan Pascal.zip 9 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4335832 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted August 24, 2019 Share Posted August 24, 2019 Nice! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4335854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Just noticed on the Atari Facebook page that Russ (Rcamp48) is selling all his Atari gear for personal reasons...I hope every thing is ok at his end... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4349863 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 1 hour ago, Mclaneinc said: Just noticed on the Atari Facebook page that Russ (Rcamp48) is selling all his Atari gear for personal reasons...I hope every thing is ok at his end... Second time he’s stormed off the scene in a couple weeks. Sounds a lot like drama ... 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4349892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted September 14, 2019 Share Posted September 14, 2019 Oh, didn't know that...As always I hope every thing is ok for him but if its drama attention grab then hey ho... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4349945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tane Posted September 16, 2019 Share Posted September 16, 2019 Turbo Tennis in English: Turbo Tennis.atr 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4350951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porkchops & Applesauce Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 @Farb Woo Hoo, my first contribution to the project: Seawolf II + Gunfight [cassette] This is a straight, unedited, and uncropped audio copy from my tape deck to PC. The WAV files work as-is in Altirra, but I figure I'll leave the cleanup to you experts. Seawolf II - Gun Fight (1983)(US)(EPYX)[cassette].zip 6 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4375794 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Fred_M Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) 5 hours ago, Porkchops & Applesauce said: @Farb Woo Hoo, my first contribution to the project: Seawolf II + Gunfight [cassette] Thank you very much! @Porkchops & Applesauce I have uploaded your files to a8preservation for analysis. They will be added soon! ? @Farb is on holiday (and work) but he will be back soon On 9/16/2019 at 5:20 AM, tane said: Turbo Tennis in English: Turbo Tennis.atr Thank you very much @tane! a8preservation uses ATX dumps (made with a.o. Kryoflux drives) of disks and at the moment we only list commercial releases. I don't know if we can use your atr file (sorry!), but I will keep you posted. I know that lots of other Atari users (and probably Atarimania too ) will be very happy with this atr! Edited October 22, 2019 by Fred_M 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4375903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
baktra Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 5 hours ago, Porkchops & Applesauce said: @Farb Woo Hoo, my first contribution to the project: Seawolf II + Gunfight [cassette] This is a straight, unedited, and uncropped audio copy from my tape deck to PC. The WAV files work as-is in Altirra, but I figure I'll leave the cleanup to you experts. Nicely preserved. Both games are stored just as a standard cassette boot files without any spectacular cassette loaders or specialties. So preservation as .cas file should be sufficient. Gun_Fight_Clean.cas Sea_Wolf_Clean.cas 2 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4375914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
www.atarimania.com Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 (edited) @tane Yes, I'd love to add this to our database but either as a standard 90K .atr file or an executable, not the weird format you used. Thanks! Edited October 22, 2019 by www.atarimania.com Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/234684-atari-8-bit-software-preservation-initiative/page/68/#findComment-4375916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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