+Gemintronic Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I am down to both play the games and make them. Specifically Atari 2600 and sega genesis games to start. I just have to figure out the process of registering as a developer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 If I want a cart based system I'll buy something like this and put my games on SD cards. http://www.tomshardware.com/news/zotac-magnus-en970,30042.html#xtor=RSS-998 At least I'll be sure that once I buy it I'll always be able to get software for it If you shove a pile of emulators into it it becomes very much like my KVGS. Just different looks, and smaller. SD cards are like micro-carts aren't they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted September 9, 2015 Share Posted September 9, 2015 I love the concept, but I'm not willing to buy anything that doesn't exist, and a piece of paper in a plastic case for $400 doesn't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 If you shove a pile of emulators into it it becomes very much like my KVGS. Just different looks, and smaller. SD cards are like micro-carts aren't they? Think if SD cards as solid state hard drives. But if it makes you feel good, call them micro-carts. They are hot swappable with the right OS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 First of all want to state I typically support Mike and team for supporting the retro community with all that they do. ...with that being said, I voted no for these reasons as some mentioned above. -initially cool idea, A sub $200 retro console with carts -idea evolved, and then included a bunch of stuff I did not care about -then the price point bomb hit and it lost me. If the Retro VGS is going to think that people are going to support a $300+ retro system, I think it will be a rude awakening. I want to play retro games, and while its cool to see a new system, I already have a ton of systems that offer retrogaming that I can play. I just dont see enough to see if it is worth it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Think if SD cards as solid state hard drives. But if it makes you feel good, call them micro-carts. They are hot swappable with the right OS. They're hot-swappable from XP on up. And I would presume the same to be true on OSX and Linux. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybercylon Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 No interest from me at that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 10, 2015 Share Posted September 10, 2015 Yeah, the price point and mention of adapters for various game systems just got to me. I always wanted an FPGA Arcade board but realistically that ain't gonna happen. This could be the next best thing if they start offering cart adapters with the definition files for the intended system on the adapter. HOWEVER, that also conflicts with a reason to make Atari 2600 and genesis games and buy into VGS carts. I could just sell Atari 2600 and genesis games and have a broader market. Since I have no interest in Android development or C/asm coding their SDK would be useless to me (unless a BASIC and or higher level language is planned). Quite a conundrum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I could just sell Atari 2600 and genesis games and have a broader market. Since I have no interest in Android development or C/asm coding their SDK would be useless to me (unless a BASIC and or higher level language is planned). Quite a conundrum. If you have no interest in C or assembler, what are you coding 2600 and Genesis games in today? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 (edited) If my interest before knowing the price was a 2 out of 10 then my interest now that I know the price is $400 (which is about $18,576 Canadian right now) is minus 800 Seriously, $400 US. I thought I was reading it wrong at first and then I was like. . . Edited September 11, 2015 by AtariLeaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 If you have no interest in C or assembler, what are you coding 2600 and Genesis games in today? Phreakking Psychic powers. He imagines pixels on the screen and they magically appear. It's how all great games were conjured. To be a homebrewer requires wizardly powers. I thought everyone knew that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Is anyone hear passionate about the cartridges and that they're trying to bring back that idea? With everything disposable and digital, I can't see someone spending $50 bucks for a game and have it make clutter. Today's youth are being trained to just delete or let the game expire on its own in due time. And by god they LOVE it. They can't get enough of it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 If you have no interest in C or assembler, what are you coding 2600 and Genesis games in today? Take your pick http://atariage.com/forums/topic/221761-basic-compilers-compiled/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Gemintronic Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Is anyone hear passionate about the cartridges and that they're trying to bring back that idea? With everything disposable and digital, I can't see someone spending $50 bucks for a game and have it make clutter. Today's youth are being trained to just delete or let the game expire on its own in due time. And by god they LOVE it. They can't get enough of it! Digital downloads are like toilet paper. You don't expect them to last. I get the conveniance that's why I back up my carts. In the end anything valuable needs to be in physical form. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I can't see someone spending $50 bucks for a game and have it make clutter. I think the games will cost between $50 and $80 in the end... why would not that also almost double in price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Today's youth are being trained to just delete or let the game expire on its own in due time. And by god they LOVE it. They can't get enough of it! I can't see the youth buy this; retro gamers are 40+ in general, so.... geezers 99% of the targeted "fans". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Loguidice Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think that's why you want stuff in digital form, because there's a greater chance of it lasting due to the ability to easily replicate it and move it about versus something on a one-off physical item that can degrade, be stolen, get damaged, etc. Unless someone finds a way to back up these RETRO cartridges, it's still a single point of failure. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlantis Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 I think that's why you want stuff in digital form, because there's a greater chance of it lasting due to the ability to easily replicate it and move it about versus something on a one-off physical item that can degrade, be stolen, get damaged, etc. Unless someone finds a way to back up these RETRO cartridges, it's still a single point of failure. Sorry, but I have no clue what you just wrote here, but that's ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Sorry, but I have no clue what you just wrote here, but that's ok. Carts are durable, but not invincible or immune to being lost or stolen. Lose a cart and you're out your game. Lose your smart phone full o'games and odds are pretty good your game licenses will still work on the new phone. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+madman Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Take your pick http://atariage.com/forums/topic/221761-basic-compilers-compiled/ Show me one game made w/that horrible Genesis BASIC that someone would pay money for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Carts are durable, but not invincible or immune to being lost or stolen. Lose a cart and you're out your game. Lose your smart phone full o'games and odds are pretty good your game licenses will still work on the new phone. Have your house burn down and 100+ carts go poof! It happens Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted September 11, 2015 Share Posted September 11, 2015 Have your house burn down and 100+ carts go poof! It happens And other causes too. Mine was destroyed by a satanic curse and ritual. Not of my doing. Details in another thread. I think that's why you want stuff in digital form, because there's a greater chance of it lasting due to the ability to easily replicate it and move it about versus something on a one-off physical item that can degrade, be stolen, get damaged, etc. Unless someone finds a way to back up these RETRO cartridges, it's still a single point of failure. Nope. You cannot easily replicate something when half of it is on a server 2,000 miles away and contains DRM. The server goes, the license expires, a corporate decision gets made, POOF! All gone. All of modern gaming is tied into something (multiple things) beyond your control. The modern generation of today does not understand the value of a complete self-contained local copy of everything necessary to get a game running. This begins with the hardware, os, bios, and all. It then extends to all of the game code, the ability to install it and run it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gozar Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 I think you're missing the tens of thousands of games that are available without DRM that you can easily backup and restore , and will be able to for a very long time. Digital does not mean DRM is involved I try to only buy physical copies of games or digital copies that are DRM free, the best of both worlds. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 The modern generation of today does not understand the value of a complete self-contained local copy of everything necessary to get a game running. This begins with the hardware, os, bios, and all. It then extends to all of the game code, the ability to install it and run it. Huh? I can take a TV, my PS4, a stack of games and hook them up to a generator in the middle of a forest, if I so desired. I think you phrased that wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted September 12, 2015 Share Posted September 12, 2015 And other causes too. Mine was destroyed by a satanic curse and ritual. Not of my doing. Details in another thread. Sounds like a light hearted fun read. Point me to it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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