roland p Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 At least this prototype is more convincing than the others. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+GoldLeader Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 StopDrop&Retro, I really liked your comment about the RVGS being put out to fix the problems with digital content...Not quoting directly,...And now they are trying to destroy their own backstory so no one can find it. However, They are likely dense enough that the irony will escape them... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PlaysWithWolves Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 It's been uploaded to LiveLeak, some links have been posted in the comments of SD&R's recent video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=29pNBfdkCAw It's already taken down; citing a "TOS violation". Carlsen'll have a harder time bringing it down if it's done fair-use style, like Bill and others mentioned. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 JC, I understand not wanting the vid out there, but the way you're going about it is not cool. With or without a fan. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flojomojo Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here it is again, where it can be best appreciated. Can't stop the signal! 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newsdee Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 the way you're going about it is not cool The leitmotiv of this entire saga... 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPA5 Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MagnaRyuu Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here it is again, where it can be best appreciated. Can't stop the signal! The thing that still gets me about that video and makes me chuckle is John calling an obvious kitchen table "the retro vgs lab" 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keatah Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Anyone that has been in an electronics shop for real can see that this "retrovgs lab" was slapped together in an afternoon for the sole purpose of making the video. The retrovgs lab is as phony as the product destined (or not) to come out of it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 Here it is again, where it can be best appreciated. Can't stop the signal! Yay, now nobody can take this thing down!!! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 I know it's cruel, but I have to say- it is hilarious to watch the Streisand Effect happen in real time! The more John tries to scrub the video away, the more he makes it spread. He's like the unintentional Johnny Appleseed of embarrassing videos. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 In all fairness, he is probably trying to protect his career, he got sucked into a BS project and this is called damage control. He is probably a really nice guy with some decent talent. $0.02 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
galax Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 The thing that still gets me about that video and makes me chuckle is John calling an obvious kitchen table "the retro vgs lab" I heard that Steve Woita told him to say that, which he tried to indicate with his eyes by looking at him- it's like a hostage video. I know it's cruel, but I have to say- it is hilarious to watch the Streisand Effect happen in real time! The more John tries to scrub the video away, the more he makes it spread. He's like the unintentional Johnny Appleseed of embarrassing videos. It's beginning to look like politely asking you to remove his name from the original video would have been such a better option for him. Maybe he'll think again and try that option. In all fairness, he is probably trying to protect his career, he got sucked into a BS project and this is called damage control. He is probably a really nice guy with some decent talent. $0.02 He seems like an OK guy to me, other than the tendency to exaggerate his abilities and experience. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnphase Posted March 30, 2016 Share Posted March 30, 2016 im surprised he survived the wrath of a parody vid before the whole thing fell to shit. i probably would have done one but i have no oscilloscope or a white button up shirt. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StopDrop&Retro Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 In all fairness, he is probably trying to protect his career, he got sucked into a BS project and this is called damage control. He is probably a really nice guy with some decent talent. $0.02 I'm sure Mike Kennedy is probably a really nice guy with some decent talent [... somewhere] But being a nice guy does not excuse anyone from participating in a predatory scheme, which is what this project intended to be and that video was just one more step in that direction. If he ever wanted to protect his career he could have started by flatly refusing to participate in that video. But instead he felt that his best career move would be to appease Mike. It's beginning to look like politely asking you to remove his name would have been such a better option for him. And I would have gladly given that to him. Not anymore. I don't have any obligation to protect him from his own stupidity so I don't care if a search of his name leads back to that video. He sure didn't have my best interests in mind when he submitted that copyright strike that fucked with my channel, so I have no sympathy for him. He's not a "nice guy" from where I'm sitting. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shawnphase Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 it seems pretty paltry of him to try and takedown this video, given his association in the entire fiasco is well documented via google and plenty of articles. does he seriously think he can scrub himself from history like that? there was a time where i considered him a guy with a modicum of intelligence...after this, not so much. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 The Retro VGS saga hasn't ended for me. John Carlsen is currently trying to scrub the infamous "Retro VGS first quick demo" video off the internet. Back when I re-uploaded it on my own channel I promised that if they hit me with a takedown I'd dispute it, which I am doing. I think the video should be available, it's important to this story and I will fight to keep a form of that video accessible to the public. At this stage, YouTube still has my re-upload down and will keep it down for another two or three weeks. They will only keep it down after that if John Carlsen shows them proof that he has filed suit against me. .... If the video didn't have a Copyright notice, he doesn't have grounds for a lawsuit. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
enoofu Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 (edited) You don't need a copyright notice, to have a work be copyrighted Also would any Judge or Lawyer Care, when its 1 minute clip with no commercial appeal Edited March 31, 2016 by enoofu 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 You don't need a copyright notice, to have a work be copyrighted Also would any Judge or Lawyer Care, when its 1 minute clip with no commercial appeal I think it would have had to be registered with the copyright office before it was shared though. Even with a copyright notice it has to be registered in order to file a lawsuit. Without a notice on the work, there is such a thing as "innocent infringement", where the defendant had reason to believe it wasn't copyrighted. The penalty would be as little as $200 if found guilty, but the burden of proof is on the defendant to show they didn't believe the work to be copyrighted. Ultimately, a lawsuit would run up a lot of legal fees with no guarantee of winning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I think it would have had to be registered with the copyright office before it was shared though. Even with a copyright notice it has to be registered in order to file a lawsuit. Without a notice on the work, there is such a thing as "innocent infringement", where the defendant had reason to believe it wasn't copyrighted. The penalty would be as little as $200 if found guilty, but the burden of proof is on the defendant to show they didn't believe the work to be copyrighted. Ultimately, a lawsuit would run up a lot of legal fees with no guarantee of winning. To my understanding, a copyright exists at the moment a work is created instead of when registered like patents. For an example, the reason that free and open source software has to have copy left licenses to free them is that they have a copyright at the moment they create the software even if they don't want a copyright. To put it another way, a copyright goes to the first who created automatically and a patent goes to the first who registers even if they weren't the first to create. Therefore, to prove that you have a copyright you just have to prove that you are the creator. For an example, if this post can be copyrighted then I already have a copyright. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I, Kosmic Stardust, copyright this message, but hereby declare that AtariAge is free to redistribute it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Schizophretard Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 I, Kosmic Stardust, copyright this message, but hereby declare that AtariAge is free to redistribute it. I'm glad you made it shareware so that I could quote you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesD Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 To my understanding, a copyright exists at the moment a work is created instead of when registered like patents. For an example, the reason that free and open source software has to have copy left licenses to free them is that they have a copyright at the moment they create the software even if they don't want a copyright. To put it another way, a copyright goes to the first who created automatically and a patent goes to the first who registers even if they weren't the first to create. Therefore, to prove that you have a copyright you just have to prove that you are the creator. For an example, if this post can be copyrighted then I already have a copyright. The copyright exists from the time a work is created, but in this case he's only going back and copyrighting it so he can file a lawsuit. I think a judge would have some difficulty with that. Even if the guy were to win, filing the lawsuit would just make him look worse than he already does. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlegamer Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 To my understanding, a copyright exists at the moment a work is created instead of when registered like patents. For an example, the reason that free and open source software has to have copy left licenses to free them is that they have a copyright at the moment they create the software even if they don't want a copyright. To put it another way, a copyright goes to the first who created automatically and a patent goes to the first who registers even if they weren't the first to create. Therefore, to prove that you have a copyright you just have to prove that you are the creator. For an example, if this post can be copyrighted then I already have a copyright. Most forums declare that anything posted is the property of the website owner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted March 31, 2016 Share Posted March 31, 2016 Most forums declare that anything posted is the property of the website owner. Albert "owns" a lot of homebrew then! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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