sanny Posted April 9, 2019 Share Posted April 9, 2019 I hope that both devices, despite hardware differences, would be compatible, otherwise the already limited userbase would be splitted up and coders would not be encouraged. I don't expect them to be compatible at the hardware level (and also not to the original DragonCart), but IP65 will definitely get support for both. If ol.sc doesn't implement it, I will do... So for existing programs a recompile/relink will probably be needed. regards, chris 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4254471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdewalt Posted May 1, 2019 Share Posted May 1, 2019 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. mchorvat - 1 cart5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Soulbuster 1 Cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart43. leech - 1 cart44. Firedawg - 1 cart45. mani - 2 carts46. code_blazer - 2 carts46. Defender II - 2 carts 47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts 48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device 49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart 50. sdewalt - 3 carts Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4268432 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 65 or so, give or take Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4268437 Share on other sites More sharing options...
panamajoe Posted May 2, 2019 Share Posted May 2, 2019 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart 2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. mchorvat - 1 cart5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Soulbuster 1 Cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart43. leech - 1 cart44. Firedawg - 1 cart45. mani - 2 carts46. code_blazer - 2 carts46. Defender II - 2 carts 47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts 48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device 49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart 50. sdewalt - 3 carts 51. panamajoe - 1 cart Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4268676 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarland Posted May 3, 2019 Share Posted May 3, 2019 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart 2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. mchorvat - 1 cart5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Soulbuster 1 Cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart43. leech - 1 cart44. Firedawg - 1 cart45. mani - 2 carts46. code_blazer - 2 carts46. Defender II - 2 carts 47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts 48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device 49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart 50. sdewalt - 3 carts 51. panamajoe - 1 cart 52. Sugarland 1 cart Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4269153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 Months has passed and some questions are still unaswerered. Following Dragon Cart, the first ethernet cartridge for A8, it seems that two new ethernet devices will be produced: - unnamed cartridge (cartridge solution, in this thread there's an interest check), by Duddie, a known AA member, producer of various products - Dragon Cart II (PBI and ECI bus solutions, despite the name), by ol.sc, a known AA member too, A8 Contiki and IP65 C/ASM libraries (used by 8bit-Slicks) developer These are cartridge and bus solutions, so it's easy to understand that difference (for example with a cartridge solution you cannot load software from a multicart but you have to use a SIO device). IMHO the big question is software compatibility. I own the original Dragon Cart and I used it with: - Contiki (browser...), by ol.sc - 8bit-Slicks, the awesome cross-platform (Apple II, A8, C64) online car racer, by 8bit-Dude, that uses ol.sc IP65 libraries Evetually we'll have another cool cross-platform online game by 8bit-Dude, Grubs. I hope that both devices, despite hardware differences, would be compatible, otherwise the already limited userbase would be splitted up and coders would not be encouraged. I think the above considerations are even more important. A third ethernet device has been announced today, 8bit-Hub. It connects A8, Apple II, C64, Oric 1 and Atmos, Atari Lynx to Internet + has 4 joystick ports and 1 PS2 mouse port. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4273413 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol.sc Posted May 11, 2019 Share Posted May 11, 2019 To me the 8bit-Hub falls into a different category of network solutions. They offload the complete networking from the 6502 with their own micro controller. You can love them because they allow to do things otherwise simply impossible and because they make things way more easy. You you can hate them because they reduce your retro machine to a terminal (which you then can customize with e.g. a multiplayer game UI). Anyhow, the 8bit-Hub is for sure not the first solution of that kind: - The ESP-based "WiFi-modems". - For the C64: - The Coment (http://cometplus.net/) - The 1541 Ultimate (http://www.1541ultimate.net/) now that its network API was published (https://github.com/xlar54/ultimateii-dos-lib) Just my two cents, Oliver 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4273424 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) deleted Edited May 21, 2019 by JoSch Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4278778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 Ok, I since the topic was mainly discussed here: I think, that it is possible to integrate a socket listener in RespeQt. Whether it is feasible to use them as disks (D1: etc), I cannot say. That's a question, I would to forward to FJC or any other person, being on friendly terms with the OS But I'm pretty sure, we can go the RCl/PCLINK route and speak directly to any of these network devices. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4278810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 21, 2019 Share Posted May 21, 2019 (edited) It should be very possible since even when using a network drive in the respeqt slot I am able to use it. As shown or mentioned in a previous post.... so I bet it won't be a hard as you think but not as gentle a task as I believe it to be Edited May 21, 2019 by _The Doctor__ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4279038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_gw454 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 (edited) I would like 1 please. 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. Marius - 2 carts5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Stephen - 1 Cart31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Brentarian - 1 cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart 43. Mr Robot 44. mr_gw454 - 1 cart Edited May 22, 2019 by mr_gw454 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4279519 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I would like 1 please. 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. Marius - 2 carts5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Stephen - 1 Cart31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Brentarian - 1 cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart 43. Mr Robot 44. mr_gw454 - 1 cart 45. tschak909 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4279532 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firedawg Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Does anyone see an issue with the interest listings in post #186 & #187 compared to #180 which I believe to be the most accurate interest list prior to #186? If some folks have dropped off it then I can understand, but I know I have not lost interest. Mike Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4279951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sugarland Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) Error-137 Truncated record. mr_gw454 posted the wrong list and excluded several of us. Suggest he upgrades is machine to at least 32K Edited May 23, 2019 by Sugarland 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZuluGula Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 I will fix it later today, when I get on my computer. I just spoke with Duddie and he told me that he should have something ready in few weeks. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280020 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 could we properly get some TCP offloading on these devices? I do not think that using a CS8900 today is a good idea, at all (I never thought it was, but...) -Thom 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_The Doctor__ Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 could we properly get some TCP offloading on these devices? I do not think that using a CS8900 today is a good idea, at all (I never thought it was, but...) -Thom Definitely, TCP offloading is a must, everything possible to take burdens off the Atari needs to be done. The original project was to see if the Atari itself could do all the work, and it's proven it can, I won't re hash the explanations the creators of the original project or those of anyone who tested or my own posts that explained this all previously somewhere on the forums. We have a number of utilities/apps/etc and a game that show it's all going to be that much better if the device does all the tasks any of the great NIC cards have done on machines over time. It's time for the Atari to have a performance networking solution. It's going to be so much better if we do so. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280035 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 (edited) If TCP offloading is a must, you are on the wrong thread Edited May 23, 2019 by JoSch Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol.sc Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I thought this thread would be about a W5100-based cart. The W5100 offers TCP offloading for sure. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280075 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZuluGula Posted May 23, 2019 Author Share Posted May 23, 2019 ol.sc, you are correct. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 Oh, I was under impression, that this would be a cart without the W5100. Then, forgot what I said. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedgarcia Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 The lists are in a weird state. I copied the one with higher number of requests here: 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart 2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. mchorvat - 1 cart5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Soulbuster 1 Cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart43. leech - 1 cart44. Firedawg - 1 cart45. mani - 2 carts46. code_blazer - 2 carts46. Defender II - 2 carts 47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts 48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device 49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart 50. sdewalt - 3 carts 51. panamajoe - 1 cart 52. Sugarland 1 cart 53. pedgarcia - 1 cart Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280528 Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanny Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 So what's the status? Is there an ETA for the cart? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280623 Share on other sites More sharing options...
danwinslow Posted May 24, 2019 Share Posted May 24, 2019 Pedgarcia - yes that list ^ is the correct one. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoSch Posted May 25, 2019 Share Posted May 25, 2019 1. davidcalgary29 - 1 cart 2. xrbrevin - 1 cart3. skriegel - 2 carts4. mchorvat - 1 cart5. brenski - 1 cart6. AtariSociety - 1 cart7. Mathy - 2 carts8. Haightc - 1 cart9. Markk - 1 cart10. Sleepy - 2 carts11. Nezgar - 1 cart12. Gunstar - 1 cart13. Chaosfaktor - 1 cart14. Wadeford - 1 cart15. sanny - 1 cart16. DNA128k - 1 cart17. Senor Rossie - 3 carts18. KlasO - 2 carts19. NML32 - 1 cart20. CharlieChaplin - 1 cart.21. slx - 1 cart22. David_P - 1 cart23. Rainier - 1 cart24. AtariPortal - 2 carts25. patjomki - 1 cart26. Allan - 1 cart27. Toddtmw 1 cart28. TheNameOfTheGame 1 cart29. adam242 1 cart30. Dan Winslow - 2 carts31. Jinroh - 1 Cart32. Philsan - 1 Cart33. Lastic - 1 Cart34. invisible kid - 1 cart35. gozar- 1 Cart36. pixelmischief - 1 cart37. BigBen - 1 cart38. Soulbuster 1 Cart39. Ransom - 1 cart40. TemplarXB - 1 cart41. tuf - 1 cart42. mariusz - 1 cart43. leech - 1 cart44. Firedawg - 1 cart45. mani - 2 carts46. code_blazer - 2 carts46. Defender II - 2 carts 47. Curt Vendel - 2 carts 48. massiverobot - 1 pbi device 49. fandenivoldsk - 1 cart 50. sdewalt - 3 carts 51. panamajoe - 1 cart 52. Sugarland 1 cart 53. pedgarcia - 1 cart 54. JoSch - 1 cart Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/287229-new-dragon-ethernet-cartridge-interest-check/page/8/#findComment-4280907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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