gandalf1369 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 When I try to update the FujiNet firmware using the flasher.exe I continually get "Failed to connect to expressif device" (see attached screen capture.) I have used 3 different computers - two hard-wired to my router and 1 via wi-fi. I have used 3 different USB cables. In all cases I get the same error. Other than this "updating problem" the FujiNet works perfectly when attached to my Atari 800. Any idea what could be wrong and how to fix it??? Thanks, Bob Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 (edited) --- Where did you get this device from? Can you talk with them to get another one? this literally shouldn't happen. -Thom Edited December 9, 2020 by tschak909 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695300 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf1369 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Thanks for the quick reply Thom. I purchased it the middle of October. I'll contact the vendor and see what my options are. P.S. After posting my initial question I had left the FijiNet attached to my laptops USB port. Before disconnecting it I figured I would try one last time to update the firmware. Wouldn't you know it - it updated with no problem this time. . . . Will still contact the vendor and discuss the situation with him. Again, thanks for all your work and help with this amazing device. P.S. Question - In the "normal" world of updating the FujiNet's firmware, after pressing the "Flash FujiNet Firmware" button is their anything else I need to do ?? i.e. pressing any of the buttons on top of the device. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tschak909 Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 nope, there isn't. The other useful button in the flasher is the serial debug output. This shows all sorts of information as FujiNet is running, and can be useful in tracking down potential issues while using the unit. -Thom Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695331 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 43 minutes ago, gandalf1369 said: P.S. Question - In the "normal" world of updating the FujiNet's firmware, after pressing the "Flash FujiNet Firmware" button is their anything else I need to do ?? i.e. pressing any of the buttons on top of the device. The board is supposed to automatically enter flash mode when you press "Flash FujiNet Firmware", but you can force it into flash mode by holding Button A (far left) when you plug in the USB cable, then run the flash tool. 1 hour ago, gandalf1369 said: I have used 3 different USB cables. Try 3 more Someone went thru 8 cables before it worked for them Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695376 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DrVenkman Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 Another thing to consider - don’t connect to a USB hub or through another device (like a keyboard with a secondary USB port). The more devices on the USB port, the more current required. If you have a hub with several devices connected, you might be drawing too much power to successfully flash the device. I ran into this the other day using a PICKit 3 to flash a PIC microcontroller - it flat would not flash until I connected it directly to the USB port on my computer. A powered USB hub would eliminate this possibility as well. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsom Posted December 9, 2020 Share Posted December 9, 2020 1 hour ago, mozzwald said: The board is supposed to automatically enter flash mode when you press "Flash FujiNet Firmware", but you can force it into flash mode by holding Button A (far left) when you plug in the USB cable, then run the flash tool. Try 3 more Someone went thru 8 cables before it worked for them Agreed! Some USB cables are power only, and some are power and data. You have to get the right one. I have one I use to update mine, and guard it with my life so no-one else uses it to charge or power something 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695429 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf1369 Posted December 9, 2020 Author Share Posted December 9, 2020 Thanks to all of you for your responses, advice, and help. As you can see in my second post I was to successfully update my FujiNet to the latest firmware - I have no idea why it all of a sudden decided to play nice and update. I used the same laptop and the same cable and it suddenly just worked!! ? I was not using a USB hub with any of the computers that I tried the update on - all were plugged directly into the USB port on the computer. Again thanks to all. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4695454 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPeter Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 On 12/9/2020 at 7:35 AM, gandalf1369 said: When I try to update the FujiNet firmware using the flasher.exe I continually get "Failed to connect to expressif device" (see attached screen capture.) I have used 3 different computers - two hard-wired to my router and 1 via wi-fi. I have used 3 different USB cables. In all cases I get the same error. Other than this "updating problem" the FujiNet works perfectly when attached to my Atari 800. Any idea what could be wrong and how to fix it??? Thanks, Bob I got similar message after unsuccessful installing driver for FujiNet on W'7. On W'10 Laptop the system did not react on connection of USB cable. So, I cannot install any update. My connection is failing despite of correct setup the WiFi for 2.4GHz. ... I am really confused with it. The next thing is the ticking noise when the switch is OFF. Checking the schematic (I do not know, it is the right one) it looks like the SIO connections are not correctly designed. When Vin is disconnected, parallel with it, that ports should be separated by an analog-switch, controlled by the switch on side of box. It is not complicated and I am surprised it was not solved on the beginning Peter Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4696627 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 1 hour ago, KPeter said: My connection is failing despite of correct setup the WiFi for 2.4GHz. ... I am really confused with it. This could be due to an issue with your router. Some users have reported that FujiNet would not connect with their dual band router. 1 hour ago, KPeter said: The next thing is the ticking noise when the switch is OFF. Checking the schematic (I do not know, it is the right one) it looks like the SIO connections are not correctly designed. When Vin is disconnected, parallel with it, that ports should be separated by an analog-switch, controlled by the switch on side of box. It is not complicated and I am surprised it was not solved on the beginning The ticking is a known issue which will be fixed in the next hardware release. The ESP32 is being back powered from the SIO lines. I don't quite understand what you are saying about VIN. The physical switch (S4) disconnects power (SIO or USB) from the 3.3V regulator that powers the ESP32. SJ1 is a solder jumper that should not be connected if you have the switch installed. 1 hour ago, KPeter said: I got similar message after unsuccessful installing driver for FujiNet on W'7. On W'10 Laptop the system did not react on connection of USB cable. So, I cannot install any update. Have you tried several different USB cables? It's always the cable ™️ Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4696680 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPeter Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 5 minutes ago, mozzwald said: Have you tried several different USB cables? Good question. I never had any issue with that type of USB cables. So, I should ask differently. Is the length of cable and from that the impedance is the issue or different pinouts /missing connection ? Please, concretely specify the source the possible issue. 40 minutes ago, mozzwald said: I don't quite understand what you are saying about VIN. The physical switch (S4) disconnects power (SIO or USB) from the 3.3V regulator that powers the ESP32. SJ1 is a solder jumper that should not be connected if you have the switch installed. No, It is not about supplying the FujiNet from USB or ATARI +5V. It is about (how I saw on the FujiNet pages schematic) SIO Input directly connected to ATARI SIO Port. Of course, if the S4 is OFF, no external PS (consequently no internal +3.3V) connected to FujiNet, but through SIO In pin an ATARI's Pull-Up resitor or some circuitry is incorrectly back-supplying an OUTPUT circuitry on ESP32. I guess, it is a not correct solution, in good design not permitted. What I wrote, there should be also a controlled switch (analog-switch from DG series- Maxim, ... etc.) what separates ESP32 output from ATARI's SIO Input. ... Just like an example of Analog Switch: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/427/dg3257-1766310.pdf The whole solution does not need big modification, and the switch can be controlled from Voltage on U3.1 pin. That solution will disable the ticking noise. Peter Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4696709 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted December 11, 2020 Share Posted December 11, 2020 9 hours ago, KPeter said: Good question. I never had any issue with that type of USB cables. So, I should ask differently. Is the length of cable and from that the impedance is the issue or different pinouts /missing connection ? Please, concretely specify the source the possible issue. Some USB cables are power only (5V & GND). Some cables are just low quality and may intermittently work. 9 hours ago, KPeter said: No, It is not about supplying the FujiNet from USB or ATARI +5V. It is about (how I saw on the FujiNet pages schematic) SIO Input directly connected to ATARI SIO Port. Of course, if the S4 is OFF, no external PS (consequently no internal +3.3V) connected to FujiNet, but through SIO In pin an ATARI's Pull-Up resitor or some circuitry is incorrectly back-supplying an OUTPUT circuitry on ESP32. I guess, it is a not correct solution, in good design not permitted. What I wrote, there should be also a controlled switch (analog-switch from DG series- Maxim, ... etc.) what separates ESP32 output from ATARI's SIO Input. ... Just like an example of Analog Switch: https://www.mouser.com/datasheet/2/427/dg3257-1766310.pdf The whole solution does not need big modification, and the switch can be controlled from Voltage on U3.1 pin. That solution will disable the ticking noise. The next revision will fix the problem by separating the FujiNet from SIO when turned off. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4697391 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPeter Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 hours ago, mozzwald said: Some USB cables are power only (5V & GND). Some cables are just low quality and may intermittently work. I guess, it is not my case. I verified full functionality of my all USB cables. I can download/upload files to my cellphone(s), so, there are more than +5V & GND line there. Despite, the manufacturer says, all devices are tested before selling, I suspect, my was not, otherwise it should work. I watched lots of videos, how it works, the connection to the net looks very simple, if the device is OK. How I wrote, I made sure, I have 2.4GHz WiFii set up, despite of it and the strong signal, "Connect fails". Peter Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4697889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KPeter Posted December 12, 2020 Share Posted December 12, 2020 18 hours ago, mozzwald said: The next revision will fix the problem by separating the FujiNet from SIO when turned off. Great! Unfortunately it looks like I have broken FujiNet device, could I expect, the manufacturer will replace it with a good one and with the correct solution of SIO IN? Finally I helped on this case and I notified the manufacturer about it also, he said, it will be better to give my idea to the designers ... so, I am expecting some credit for it ... Peter Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4697895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 Just updated both my FujiNets using the Win10 x64 flasher. In both instances, the first time I tried to run the update, I was told I did not have permission to do so. Closed the flasher, launched it again, and everything went just fine. Is this a known issue, or next time there's an update (should it recur) should I share some screencaps? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4711583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 2 hours ago, David_P said: Just updated both my FujiNets using the Win10 x64 flasher. In both instances, the first time I tried to run the update, I was told I did not have permission to do so. Closed the flasher, launched it again, and everything went just fine. Is this a known issue, or next time there's an update (should it recur) should I share some screencaps? Screenshots may help, but I think it needs to be run as administrator to work. Or it could be windows defender blocking it? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4711700 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+David_P Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 What I found odd was that I made zero change to anything; just clicked "close", then double-clicked the flasher again, and all was well. No run as Admin needed; and the same cycle repeated with the second unit. If it was Windows Defender I'd have thought that the first run would have set things (unless the fact that it appears as a different COM port has something to do with it). Next update I will check and see what happens, and grab screen caps / dumps if things go oddly again.. (And I used an old, reliable BlackBerry USB cable, so no issues there ;)) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4711721 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FifthPlayer Posted December 30, 2020 Share Posted December 30, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, David_P said: What I found odd was that I made zero change to anything; just clicked "close", then double-clicked the flasher again, and all was well. I've seen similar. The error message is something about lack of permissions for COM3, even though I am running as Administrator. Close the flasher app, relaunch, problem goes away. Win 10/x64. Edited December 30, 2020 by FifthPlayer win 10 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4711924 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted December 31, 2020 Share Posted December 31, 2020 I get the same thing as well - Using 'COM12' as serial port. Getting latest firmware from fujinet.online.. FujiNet Version: 0.5.89f318f9 Version Date/Time: 2020-12-29 01:50:02 Build Date/Time: Tue Dec 29 02:53:03 UTC 2020 Connecting........_____....._____....._____....._____....._____....._____....._____ Unexpected error: ESP Chip Auto-Detection failed: Failed to connect to Espressif device: Timed out waiting for packet header Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4712936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf1369 Posted January 1, 2021 Author Share Posted January 1, 2021 14 hours ago, Frankie said: I get the same thing as well - Using 'COM12' as serial port. Getting latest firmware from fujinet.online.. FujiNet Version: 0.5.89f318f9 Version Date/Time: 2020-12-29 01:50:02 Build Date/Time: Tue Dec 29 02:53:03 UTC 2020 Connecting........_____....._____....._____....._____....._____....._____....._____ Unexpected error: ESP Chip Auto-Detection failed: Failed to connect to Espressif device: Timed out waiting for packet header As @mozzwald posted above "The board is supposed to automatically enter flash mode when you press "Flash FujiNet Firmware", but you can force it into flash mode by holding Button A (far left) when you plug in the USB cable, then run the flash tool." I have tried this on my FujiNet and it has updated successfully ever since. Worth a try . . . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4713467 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frankie Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 4 hours ago, gandalf1369 said: As @mozzwald posted above "The board is supposed to automatically enter flash mode when you press "Flash FujiNet Firmware", but you can force it into flash mode by holding Button A (far left) when you plug in the USB cable, then run the flash tool." I have tried this on my FujiNet and it has updated successfully ever since. Worth a try . . . Yes,that did it. Thanks, Frank Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4713608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted January 1, 2021 Share Posted January 1, 2021 5 hours ago, gandalf1369 said: I have tried this on my FujiNet and it has updated successfully ever since. Do you have to do this every time you update? If so, then I suspect you have a hardware problem Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4713656 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf1369 Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 20 hours ago, mozzwald said: Do you have to do this every time you update? If so, then I suspect you have a hardware problem So far yes. I did the last two times I updated. I'll try the latest update today and let you know if I had to press the "A" button to get it to work. In all other respects my FujiNet appears to work flawlessly however. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4714515 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalf1369 Posted January 2, 2021 Author Share Posted January 2, 2021 @mozzwald Just tried the 12/29/2020 update. Had to press the "A" button in order to get it to update. Without pressing the "A" button when plugging in the FujiNet to the USB cable I consistently get the error in my original post. Used the same USB cable and the same USB port on the PC as always. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4714538 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozzwald Posted January 2, 2021 Share Posted January 2, 2021 Just now, gandalf1369 said: @mozzwald Just tried the 12/29/2020 update. Had to press the "A" button in order to get it to update. Without pressing the "A" button when plugging in the FujiNet to the USB cable I consistently get the error in my original post. Used the same USB cable and the same USB port on the PC as always. I suspect you have a solder bridge on the USB/UART chip or the dual transistor responsible for auto-reset into flash mode. If you're fine with manually entering flash mode every time then it probably doesn't matter. Otherwise, check with your vendor about repair/replacement. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/314420-fujinet-update-flasher-problem/#findComment-4714540 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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