tlgrooms Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Just purchased an Atari STFM. Going to hook a Gotek drive and Wimodem32 to it so I can get on some BBSes. Wondering which would be best to get next, a Netusbee or UltraSatan? Can the usb port on the Netusbee be used with a thumbdrive as a hard disk to run programs from or is it only for copying stuff over something like the UltraSatan? Is there a tcp/ip stack for the st that I can use to access the internet with the Netusbee? Also, is there anyone in the states that sells the SD4ST+? I see the Brewing Academy sells both the Netusbee and UltraSatan. Thanks for any info. Never used an ST of any kind before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Would be great to see you on the BBSes. www.sfhqbbs.org/ataribbslist.php As for the rest of it, I'm not really sure the NetUSBee is going to be fast enough to use as a hard drive, but if you have the UltraSatan you've kinda got that covered. Not really sure what you'd do with the SD4ST+ and UltraSatan together. Unless you want to use the NetUSBee for other things (other than thumb drives and such) I'd probably suggest going with the UltraSatan and see how complete your life feels after that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 9 minutes ago, tlgrooms said: Can the usb port on the Netusbee be used with a thumbdrive as a hard disk to run programs from or is it only for copying stuff over something like the UltraSatan? Yes it can, you can mount the partitions as drives, you cannot boot from them though, you need to boot from floppy or hard disk with the drivers for NETUSBEE, the drivers have to be put in the AUTO folder in the correct order to work. I currently have a "real" hard drive to boot from and 2 USB sticks in the NETUSBEE mapped as further hard drives, so an UltraSatan could be useful if your planning to get one. The network on NETUSBEE works with a program called UIP which allows you to open a browser window on a PC/MAC you can then copy files to/from the ST. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Tillek said: Unless you want to use the NetUSBee for other things I use the thumb drives as a backup for the hard drive, loading files from a thumb drive is relatively quick. Should say also, if I don't have the hard drive attached and boot from floppy, it mounts the thumb drives as hard disks and I can run the system that way (recently had a hard disk failure, this was a lifesaver). Edited February 9, 2023 by TGB1718 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tillek Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 6 hours ago, TGB1718 said: I use the thumb drives as a backup for the hard drive, loading files from a thumb drive is relatively quick. Should say also, if I don't have the hard drive attached and boot from floppy, it mounts the thumb drives as hard disks and I can run the system that way (recently had a hard disk failure, this was a lifesaver). Well, true... but if you already have an UltraSatan, there are 2 SD card slots. So all I'm really saying is that if you are going to get an UltraSatan, getting a NetUSBee JUST for the thumb drive is probably not going to wow anyone... Though if you aren't going to get the UltraSatan... that's a different story. But that's just my 2 cents on it.... YMMV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 12 hours ago, Tillek said: Well, true... but if you already have an UltraSatan, there are 2 SD card slots. Totally agree, but for those with a real hard drive, it's a really nice backup device. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DarkLord Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 Have to admit, I kinda don't get this either... I mean, I've got 2 internal Ultrasatan's, one in my Mega STe and one in my STacy. Both have 2 card slots. Backing up is as simple as sticking another SD card in and copying the entire contents of your primary drive(s) onto the 2nd card. I do have a NetUSBee attached to my Mega STe but I've never even once tried the USB part of it. No need for me. I use the NetUSBee for UIP-Tool and transferring files across my LAN or even wirelessly with the PicoWiFi setup. It's great! EDIT: Oh, okay - It finally sunk in - in your last post you're saying that the NetUSBee would be a good backup device for anyone with an actual hard drive (spinning platters and all!). Gotcha. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Hi all, does anyone have a manual on how to set up a usb pen drive, and use the UIP programme? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 To use UIP I copy the executable to the root of drive C then you need a file called UIP.CFG in this format first parameter is ST address, then sub mask,then the router address 1 192.168.0.235 255.255.255.0 192.168.0.1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 For the USB drive, I created several partitions each 1GB using FAT when formatting. On the ST put the files :- USB.PRG STORAGE.PRG NETUSB.PRG Into the AUTO folder of your boot drive, the files must be put in the AUTO folder in that order. I found I needed to put BIGDOS.PRG in the AUTO folder also before I could MAP/Access the drives. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 Hi TGB1718, doesn't the UIP program create the config file when first run? I've created a uip.cfg file as shown, but I get the following error message(see image). I did get this to work some time ago by connecting the STe to an old router and connecting wirelessly to my laptop, but nothing appears to be working anymore. I've tried plugging the ethernet cable straight from the netusbee into the laptop, but again not working. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 23 Share Posted February 23 29 minutes ago, blacka013 said: doesn't the UIP program create the config file when first run? Yes it does, I forgot Sorry can't help with that, my NetUSBEE no longer works with ethernet, only the USB works, I had troubles when I bought it, sent it back, but they said nothing wrong, it worked for a few months, then dead on Ether Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JamesWD Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 UIP needs no drivers or config files to be created. Just run UIP on its own on the Atari and it will interface directly with the netusbee, use the IP it displays on the Atari screen on your PC and point your web browser at that IP. Now you will be able to transfer files back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 24 Share Posted February 24 Hi JamesWD, I've tried that and I still get the driver initialization failure. I have noticed with the STe switch on, I have both the green and orange LEDs on. I'm not sure that is correct. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 13 hours ago, blacka013 said: I have noticed with the STe switch on, I have both the green and orange LEDs on. I'm not sure that is correct. That's what mine does, on solid, can't remember which one (probably green), but one should be flickering showing network activity. Also, now when I run UIP I don't see the initializing screen. In another thread, someone said some NETUSBEE's are very sensitive to the +5V supply and may not work correctly with the correct or slightly high voltage. I know when I first tried mine the 5V supply was 4.85, still in tolerance but I adjusted it up to 5V when doing a 68000 chip replacement, didn't check the NETUSBEE at this time). I fitted a low power 68000 chip and the machine became unstable with it fitted and this turned out to be because the supply voltage was 5V, when I lowered it back to 4.85V, it was stable again, I decided to put the old 68000 chip back in and adjust the 5V supply to 5V. I've not opened her back up to try reducing the 5V again as the case is very fragile and at the moment I don't need the ethernet, I can get by using other means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 Thanks for the info TGB1718. Can you remember how you adjusted the 5V supply from the PSU? I'll check what the 5V is. This could be the cause of another problem I've been having. I'm running Neodesk 4, and when trying to read/write to a floppy, I get an error about disk may be damaged. If I remove the hard drive and just use the inbuilt desktop, reading/writing is no problem with the same disk. I may need you to help me with detailed instructions on how to prepare a usb drive so I can transfer files between my PC and ST. My old Windows XP PC has died a death. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted February 25 Share Posted February 25 7 hours ago, blacka013 said: Can you remember how you adjusted the 5V supply from the PSU? I'll check what the 5V is. Yes, there's a trimmer, depending on which model of PSU it's VR201 or VR301 somewhere near the middle of the PSU, be careful, lot's of nasty voltages in there ☠️ Adjust very carefully making sure you don't go outside limits. 5VDC +/- 0.25V Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 26 Share Posted February 26 Hi TGB1718, so checked the voltages at the power supply, 5V = 5.03V, 12V =11.94. So I think the PSU is ok. I think I will need to reseat everything on the motherboard and check voltages out at some of the chips. Still getting the strange problem of disk errors when using a different desktop. Most peculiar. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted February 27 Share Posted February 27 I've now been in touch with Retrolemon about the Netusbee, and I've had an email from Lotharek, and it now looks like this has to be returned for repair/replacement. Hope this doesn't take too long. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jfcatari Posted February 28 Share Posted February 28 On 2/9/2023 at 10:28 AM, tlgrooms said: Just purchased an Atari STFM. Going to hook a Gotek drive and Wimodem32 to it so I can get on some BBSes. Wondering which would be best to get next, a Netusbee or UltraSatan? Can the usb port on the Netusbee be used with a thumbdrive as a hard disk to run programs from or is it only for copying stuff over something like the UltraSatan? Is there a tcp/ip stack for the st that I can use to access the internet with the Netusbee? Also, is there anyone in the states that sells the SD4ST+? I see the Brewing Academy sells both the Netusbee and UltraSatan. Thanks for any info. Never used an ST of any kind before. I have built an alternate version of the asci2stm. These work really well too. https://sites.google.com/view/jfcretro/acsi2stm?authuser=0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted March 7 Share Posted March 7 So, Netusbee returned to Retro Lemon for repair/replacement. Hopefully when it gets back I can use it for file transfer from a PC to my STe. 'll keep you posted. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 The Netusbee arrived on saturday, a nice shiny unit with a black PCB. I can now transfer files from my laptop to my STe, and the unit now recognises wireless keyboard and mouse. A great result. Thanks Jakub at Retrolemon for an excellent service. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TGB1718 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 29 minutes ago, blacka013 said: The Netusbee arrived on saturday, a nice shiny unit with a black PCB. I might see if they can repair mine, unfortunately it's out of warranty, but you never know as it's never really been right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted March 12 Share Posted March 12 20 hours ago, TGB1718 said: might see if they can repair mine, unfortunately it's out of warranty, but you never know as it's never really been right. Jakub from Retro Lemon got Lotharek involved, and after I told them both lights were on whether the adsl cable was plugged in or not, they asked me to send it back for repair/replacement. See if they'll replace it if you've sent it back before. Worth a try. Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blacka013 Posted April 9 Share Posted April 9 Hi TGB1718, did you contact Retrolemon to see if they would repair/replace your Netusbee? Regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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