Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 These are all PAL carts running in 50hz 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emehr Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 On 11/30/2023 at 11:42 AM, Recycled said: The ship always disappears in 2600 Defender. Yep. I used to try and exploit that when I was a kid with my rapid-fire module. Tried to see if I could "phase" through enemy ships. Plus, the rapid shots just sounded cool. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eCockpit89 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 So, I just pulled the trigger on the 2600+. Also got myself an HDMI Extension cable. Next Thursday Can't come soon enough. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 14 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: These are all PAL carts running in 50hz Many thanks @Dr Karnov As Thomas said very tricky to comment due to set ups and how cameras take photos plus then how the photo is displayed here on the post. One thing though they dont look dark at all. Anyway we can clear this up next week with the comparison pictures between release build and beta build you have 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Some more PAL carts, all running in 50hz on the beta firmware 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariYMás009 Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 My console runs PAL games at 60Hz so they are a bit strange and the movement of the sprites is not smooth at all. Is the autodetection of 50Hz and 60Hz from new software or is it the fault of my television? I haven't been able to read everything and I'm quite lost hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: Some more PAL carts, all running in 50hz on the beta firmware Whats the scrolling like, is it smooth on all games no hitching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 Just now, AtariYMás009 said: My console runs PAL games at 60Hz so they are a bit strange and the movement of the sprites is not smooth at all. Is the autodetection of 50Hz and 60Hz from new software or is it the fault of my television? I haven't been able to read everything and I'm quite lost hehe I believe that the release firmware runs everything in 60hz but when the update comes out, PAL carts will run 50hz and smooth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Ben from Plaion said: Whats the scrolling like, is it smooth on all games no hitching? Scrolling looks smooth to me. I'm going to do some gameplay testing tonight. If anyone wants to see any specific game in motion I can post short video clips Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 11 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: I believe that the release firmware runs everything in 60hz but when the update comes out, PAL carts will run 50hz and smooth As smooth as it gets. Not all NTSC carts run at 60Hz (e.g. Desert Falcon runs at 56Hz) and not all PAL carts run at 50Hz (e.g. Buck Rogers runs at 56Hz too and will probably display at 60Hz). These will still not have perfectly smooth movements. You would need video hardware which supports variable display frequencies (like an analog CRT) to become perfect here. Try the ROMs in Stella (ALt+L to display the info). Or look here. Edited December 1, 2023 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 More PAL carts, in 50hz 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 12 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: Scrolling looks smooth to me. I'm going to do some gameplay testing tonight. If anyone wants to see any specific game in motion I can post short video clips Have you got Kaboom! PAL and a set of CX40+ paddles? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Ben from Plaion said: Have you got Kaboom! PAL and a set of CX40+ paddles? I've got Kaboom! but it's NTSC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: More PAL carts, in 50hz Wait does Xevious play, PAL cart 50Hz? Also Ninja Golf is good to watch for smooth scolling Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 minute ago, Dr Karnov said: I've got Kaboom! but it's NTSC So close lol! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 10 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: As smooth as it gets. Not all NTSC carts run at 60Hz (e.g. Desert Falcon runs at 56Hz) and not all PAL carts run at 50Hz (e.g. Buck Rogers runs at 56Hz too and will probably display at 60Hz). These will still not have perfectly smooth movements. You would need video hardware which supports variable display frequencies (like an analog CRT) to become perfect here. Try the ROMs in Stella (ALt+L to display the info). Or look here. You ever thought about writing a book on the Atari 2600? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 4 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Wait does Xevious play, PAL cart 50Hz? Also Ninja Golf is good to watch for smooth scolling My Xevious PAL runs in 50hz Funny thing is, it worked fine with the release firmware, and a lot of people apparently couldn't get their PAL Xevious to work 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protomank Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: As smooth as it gets. Not all NTSC carts run at 60Hz (e.g. Desert Falcon runs at 56Hz) and not all PAL carts run at 50Hz (e.g. Buck Rogers runs at 56Hz too and will probably display at 60Hz). These will still not have perfectly smooth movements. You would need video hardware which supports variable display frequencies (like an analog CRT) to become perfect here. Try the ROMs in Stella (ALt+L to display the info). Or look here. Also, brazilian system, PAL-M did run at 60Hz. I am still waiting someone to test Polyvox carts, as the plus is not officially released here, so I have no clue how those will behave, wrong colors (most likely), with slow speed or just works. EDIT: It seems like Dactar carts work fine, at least with firmware 1.0: (video in portuguese) Edited December 1, 2023 by protomank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 13 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: You ever thought about writing a book on the Atari 2600? I am waaay too lazy for this task. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 9 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: My Xevious PAL runs in 50hz Funny thing is, it worked fine with the release firmware, and a lot of people apparently couldn't get their PAL Xevious to work Hmmmm, I hate inconsistancies like this, good for you though in this case. I know what the developer at the factory will say, can you send me both carts so he can crack them open. Tricky request as the screws are under the label! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 8 minutes ago, protomank said: Also, brazilian system, PAL-M did run at 60Hz. I am still waiting someone to test Polyvox carts, as the plus is not officially released here, so I have no clue how those will behave, wrong colors (most likely), with slow speed or just works. EDIT: It seems like Dactar carts work fine, at least with firmware 1.0: (video in portuguese) This guy got 160k views on his unboxing! Thank you youtube auto translate! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
protomank Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 2 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: This guy got 160k views on his unboxing! Thank you youtube auto translate! You know videogames in Brazil basically started in 1983 with the Atari and Odyssey 2, right? (Yes, very late, there is a long story on why, just no one could import, basically). It was, and still is, big and beloved here, there is even a market for clone carts from the time, that had different labels and formats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 (edited) Sorry wrong forum Edited December 1, 2023 by Mockduck wrong forum Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 5 minutes ago, Mockduck said: Released 12/1/23: Battle Rockets $9.99 Indie developed mix of a head to head fighting game and a shoot-em-up SHMUP. First game from the folks who released Ultra Mission on the VCS. Circus Atari FREE A free 2600 game for the VCS! Circus Atari: 2600 is the classic 2600 game with Classic functionality supported. NOTE: I am not seeing this game listed under Games in the VCS Store, but if you search for it you'll find it. Listed as 12/1/23 release date in Details. Milli & Greg $4.99 Platformer from 2nd Boss, the folks who released Savage Halloween and Biolab Wars on the VCS. I think you are in the wrong forum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted December 1, 2023 Share Posted December 1, 2023 1 hour ago, protomank said: You know videogames in Brazil basically started in 1983 with the Atari and Odyssey 2, right? (Yes, very late, there is a long story on why, just no one could import, basically). It was, and still is, big and beloved here, there is even a market for clone carts from the time, that had different labels and formats Hasn't high import taxes always been a problem with videogame hardware distribution in Brazil? Not sure about today I bet the big three have dealt with that nowadays with Brazil being such a big market, but still in the back of my mind I recall lots of clone machines being sold and not official machines, interested to hear your view Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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