protomank Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) I really hope some future firmware adds a menu. This would unlock emulation stuff that is quite useful like save-statess and filters. This can be achieved with some joystick combination like holdsing up and fire button for 5 seconds. I know people hate save-states, but for Atari, I really see them as being useful for continuining your play later (not for not dying tough). Edited November 16, 2023 by protomank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dbug Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Something I would really like is if at some point we could get things like demoscene stuff to be possible to show on this device Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 5:32 PM, swlovinist said: -Lack of current 7800 homebrew support Already got a few 7800 homebrew carts running....now some poor soul has to provide hopefully a comprehensive document detailing as many 7800 homebrew headers as possible, then the developer loads them to dumper code, then bit of testing then.... BAM release that to the hungry masses. 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, Ben from Plaion said: Already got a few 7800 homebrew carts running....now some poor soul has to provide hopefully a comprehensive document detailing as many 7800 homebrew headers as possible, then the developer loads them to dumper code, then bit of testing then.... BAM release that to the hungry masses. Ugh, the poor sod who has to document all those games! ..Al 3 2 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, Albert said: Ugh, the poor sod who has to document all those games! ..Al Sucks to be them! 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Being that those are both mine that you got running , I can try and help as much as I can with the ones I've done. What information do you need? 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, PacManPlus said: Being that those are both mine that you got running , I can try and help as much as I can with the ones I've done. What information do you need? No worries, I have it covered. I'm the poor sod. ..Al 1 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Ok... (sorry Al) Well, if I can help in any way, by all means let me know. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mksmith Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Good news about the 7800 side of things! A suggestion about any future access to internal settings via a menu or other means. Turning on the machine without a cartridge then either directly shown or a message to press a button/switch to activate it whilst still attempting to read a cart (that's how it works now right ??). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Just now, PacManPlus said: Ok... (sorry Al) Well, if I can help in any way, by all means let me know. Keep making great games! ..Al 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, mksmith said: Good news about the 7800 side of things! A suggestion about any future access to internal settings via a menu or other means. Turning on the machine without a cartridge then either directly shown or a message to press a button/switch to activate it whilst still attempting to read a cart (that's how it works now right ??). No cartridge inserted should play Kiloparsec like our custom BIOS does 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+mksmith Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 minute ago, PacManPlus said: No cartridge inserted should play Kiloparsec like our custom BIOS does 😊😊😊 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Alarm said: Not a stream, but this reviewer tests several VCS and 7800 carts from his collection. I just wished he had double checked the non-working carts on a real 2600. Without that, one can only guess how good the cart port is (physically!). To bad, I would really like to know, especially because the R77 has some serious issues there. The Micro-USB(?) port and the recover button he found on the HDMImainboard are interesting for sure. @Ben from Plaion anything you can tell us about them? Edited November 16, 2023 by Thomas Jentzsch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 42 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Already got a few 7800 homebrew carts running....now some poor soul has to provide hopefully a comprehensive document detailing as many 7800 homebrew headers as possible, then the developer loads them to dumper code, then bit of testing then.... BAM release that to the hungry masses. I'm curious how the developer plans to identify the banking schemes of the 7800 homebrews since the header data doesn't exist on the physical carts. Will they be using the signature data from the cart to identify the game? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 15 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: I just wished he had double checked the non-working carts on a real 2600. Without that, one can only guess how good the cart port is (physically!). To bad, I would really like to know, especially because the R77 has some serious issues there. The Micro-USB(?) port and the recover button he found on the HDMI board are interesting for sure. @Ben from Plaion anything you can tell us about them? I guess you would refer to it as the attack vector. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MMarcoux66 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) I just got a Fedex SmartPost tracking number... so it was shipped probably one of the slowest methods to me from California :(. I ordered directly from Atari right after preorders opened. Edited November 16, 2023 by MMarcoux66 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtyHairy Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 20 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: I guess you would refer to it as the attack vector. https://wiki.t-firefly.com/en/Firefly-RK3128/Flash_Image.html 😏 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, DirtyHairy said: https://wiki.t-firefly.com/en/Firefly-RK3128/Flash_Image.html 😏 oooof dirty by name dirty by nature Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: I just wished he had double checked the non-working carts on a real 2600. Without that, one can only guess how good the cart port is (physically!). To bad, I would really like to know, especially because the R77 has some serious issues there. What were the carts that didn't work? And I agree, when I've tested carts, I make sure they work on a real 2600 or 7800 before flagging them as non-working on the 2600+ ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 45 minutes ago, tep392 said: I'm curious how the developer plans to identify the banking schemes of the 7800 homebrews since the header data doesn't exist on the physical carts. Will they be using the signature data from the cart to identify the game? Yes, the emulator calculates and MD5 checksum on the binary and then looks it up in its own internal database. This is the same mechanism Stella uses to identify games. ..Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 3 minutes ago, Albert said: This is the same mechanism Stella uses to identify games. Does the 7800 have hotspots in the ROM area too? I am asking, because Stella cannot identify new dumps of such ROMs, because the hotspots return random values. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PacManPlus Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 (edited) Yes. At $8000 in a fairly common method of bankswitching, you write the bank number to $8000 and that puts that bank (16K) in $4000 to $7FFF EDIT: I have to research, but I *think* it's anywhere you write the bank number from $8000-$BFFF... I just use $8000 because it's the very beginning. Edited November 16, 2023 by PacManPlus clarification 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
82-T/A Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 It would be pretty sweet if I got mine just before Thanksgiving... so I can play with my family who will be visiting in town. I won't be bummed if not, just really happy to be getting it. I bought a bunch of really good homebrews several years ago that I've never bothered to play. I have like two Atari 2600 mod kits that I'd intended to install in one of my 2600s at one point, but never got around to it. Really, really looking forward to have something that looks and acts like my original did, and lets me just play this stuff... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
donjn Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Im glad I live in Los Angeles, must be close by: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tep392 Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 43 minutes ago, Albert said: Yes, the emulator calculates and MD5 checksum on the binary and then looks it up in its own internal database. This is the same mechanism Stella uses to identify games. ..Al That is probably the easiest way to do it. Otherwise some algorithm would need to be developed to write hotspots and attempt to deduce presence of RAM and ROM and bank logic. But this also means that future updates will be needed as new homebrews are released, unless some new standard is developed to include a header in the binary. I guess there is no reason devs couldn't start including the A78 header in the home bank. It also means that you will need some help from the devs of carts you didn't produce to get MD5 data for any revisions they made during cart production. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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