BIGHMW Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 17, 2023 Share Posted October 17, 2023 On 10/16/2023 at 6:50 AM, GrizzLee said: I had high hopes for the paddles working. They feel sluggish on breakout. A possible dealbreaker. I doubt I could play kaboom like I feel it should be played. Kaboom and super breakout are 2 of my all time favs on the 2600. Kaboom and super breakout should be the benchmark by which all paddle support in emus should be evaluated Tried playing with the new paddles and older OEM. Both with similar results. In fact, the older paddles did exhibit jittery behavior. That doesn't sound good. However the videos(!) from PRGE I saw (e.g. ZPH live streaming) were different. Not sure how to explain that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King_Salamon Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 I'm interested in picking up the Paddles in November and use it with my original 2600. I'm going to wait to hear reviews on the paddles first though. Playing breakout and Warlords would be fun on the 2600. I guess we will have to wait for the testing results from PRGE? I know it just ended, but I thought there would be some live updates or something on AtariAge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 Just now, King_Salamon said: I'm interested in picking up the Paddles in November and use it with my original 2600. I'm going to wait to hear reviews on the paddles first though. Playing breakout and Warlords would be fun on the 2600. I played several games on an original 2600 using the new paddles and they worked great once I put my television into "Game" mode. It's so nice to have smooth, jitter-free paddles! 1 minute ago, King_Salamon said: I guess we will have to wait for the testing results from PRGE? I know it just ended, but I thought there would be some live updates or something on AtariAge. I'm not sure when it will happen, but we'll likely create a separate compatibility list for homebrew games, and might host it here on AtariAge. I'm still in Portland myself and won't be home until the weekend, but we'll get an initial list together soon. ..Al 6 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrizzLee Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 14 hours ago, Albert said: I played several games on an original 2600 using the new paddles and they worked great once I put my television into "Game" mode. It's so nice to have smooth, jitter-free paddles! I'm not sure when it will happen, but we'll likely create a separate compatibility list for homebrew games, and might host it here on AtariAge. I'm still in Portland myself and won't be home until the weekend, but we'll get an initial list together soon. ..Al Don’t get me wrong. the paddles worked. It appears there is some lag in the gain control they use to emulate them. My testing demonstrated some (for lack of better description term “inertia”) lag combined with over compensating when spun fast. It clearly reads the paddles as the jittery OEM paddles demonstrated this. I would like to have an OEM Atari next to the plus to compare properly. Do some proper comparisons and documenting both quantitive and qualitative data. A list of games that boot up and play is nice, but do they play the same? that is the question. FYI.. night driver appears ok as it isn’t such a twitch game like kaboom. I tried that and it’s ok. I’ll admit, I’m an outlier for the main audience I’m sure. I grew up before video games and the Atari was my true love. Played the heck out of it. Still do. BTW:is there a way to “fry” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 14 minutes ago, GrizzLee said: My testing demonstrated some (for lack of better description term “inertia”) lag combined with over compensating when spun fast. That sounds like some Stella settings meant for jittery paddles are enabled. They are disabled by default, so that would be something done intentional. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+karri Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 Is there a chance to see a 2600+ at eJagfest in Germany this week-end? Korschenbroich (between Düsseldorf and Mönchengladbach), Germany. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted October 18, 2023 Author Share Posted October 18, 2023 1 hour ago, karri said: Is there a chance to see a 2600+ at eJagfest in Germany this week-end? Korschenbroich (between Düsseldorf and Mönchengladbach), Germany. I highly doubt it, unless something has already been arranged (not that I'm aware of) given it already Wednesday. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+karri Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 2 minutes ago, Albert said: I highly doubt it, unless something has already been arranged (not that I'm aware of) given it already Wednesday. ..Al Nothing is mentioned on the eJagfest site. I was just curious. On the other hand I assume that these will be all over the place a month from now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 I tested all four homebrews that I publish and they all work Game Panic Catacombs of Chaos Retro Game Quest Game Panic III 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted October 18, 2023 Share Posted October 18, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: That sounds like some Stella settings meant for jittery paddles are enabled. They are disabled by default, so that would be something done intentional. So, there might be a a way of optimizing it for the new paddles with less jitter comparing Kaboom on 2600 Jr and +🤔 Once I got my 2600+, I gonna play Solarstorm with my modded Micro Händler with its low jitter paddles (out of the box the pot value is Commodore style, so in Video Olympics you could not reach the edges... I put a trim pot in front to fine tune it😊) Edited October 18, 2023 by DEANJIMMY 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 1:05 PM, Defender_2600 said: The Atari 2600+ uses ProSystem 1.3e emulator for 7800 games. @Trebor tested 110 games for 7800 under ProSystem 1.3e Core via RetroArch. Most are 7800 Homebrews games, including some on sale in the AA store. Test Results: - 20 games = Black screen - 6 games = No audio / No music / No sound (POKEY or TIA) - 36 games = Works with issue: graphic issue graphic corruption speed / timing issue enemies absent player will not move sound issue POKEY notes incorrect - 1 game = Needs light gun support (Sentinel) - 49 games = Works without issue. Reveal hidden contents Test Results under ProSystem 1.3e Core via RetroArch: 7ix = Works without issue 1942 = Black screen 2048 = Graphic issue throughout A.R.T.I. = Black screen A Roach in Space - Part 2 = Works without issue Ah Zombies = Graphic issue throughout Alpha Race = Works without issue Apple Snaffle = Some graphic corruption after screen scrolls Arkanoid = Black screen Armor Attack II = Works without issue Asteroids Deluxe = Speed/Timing Issue present Astro Blaster = Works without issue Astro Fighter = Works without issue Attack of the Petscii Robots = Black screen Baby Pac-Man = Graphic issue pinball screen Beef Drop = POKEY sound not present, enemies absent, player will not move Bentley Bear's Crystal Quest = No POKEY music or TIA sound effects present Bernie and the Cubic Conundrum = Graphic issue throughout Bernie and the Tower of Doom = Black screen BlocDrop = Works without issue Block'em Sock'em = Black screen BonQ = Works without issue Cannon in D - D for Defense = Work without issue Cartesian Chaos = Graphic issue throughout Crazy Brix = Brix display incorrectly Crazy Otto = Works without issue Danger Zone = Graphic issue throughout Death Merchant = Graphic issue throughout Donkey Kong PK = No audio DopeWars = Graphic issue throughout Dragon's Cache = Works without issue Dragon's Descent = Works without issue Dragon's Havoc = Graphic issue throughout Drelbs = Works without issue Drone Patrol = Black Screen Drunk Witch = Works without issue Dungeon Stalker = Works with issue E.X.O. = Black screen FailSafe = Works without issue FlappyBird = Works without issue Freeway = Graphic issue throughout Frenzy (w-Berzerk) = Works without issue Froggie = Some POKEY notes incorrect Frogus = Black screen Galaxian = Plays without issue Game of the Bear - Polar Opposites = Works without issue Get Lost = Works without issue Ghosts'n Goblins = Graphic issue throughout Graze Suit Alpha = Works without issue Harpy's Curse = Black screen Harry's Hen House = Works without issue Heartlight = Works without issue I.C.B.M. = Graphic issue throughout Jacks or Better = Graphic issue throughout Jr Pac-Man = Works without issue K.C. Munchkin = Works without issue Keystone Koppers = Black screen Klax = Black screen Knight Guy - Quest for Something = Works without issue Knight Guy in Low Res World - Castle Days = Works without issue Knight Guy on Board - 30 Squares of Fate = Works without issue Legend of Silverpeak = Black screen Lunar Patrol = Graphic corruption throughout Meteor Shower = Works without issue Millie & Molly = Black screen Missing In Action = Graphic issue throughout Moon Cresta = Works without issue Ms. Pac-Man Twin = Works without issue Ninjish Guy - Perilous Island = Works without issue Oozy the Goo - Gaiden = Works without issue Pac-Man - Energy Drink Edition = Graphic issue with sprite bottom of maze Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition = Black screen Pac-Man Collection - 40th Anniversary Edition (Short Mazes) = Black screen PentaGo = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout Pirate Cove = Works without issue Plink = Graphic issue throughout Plumb Luck DX = Works without issue Plutos = Graphic issue throughout Poetiru = Works without issue Pong = Graphic issue throughout Popeye = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout RatTrap = No POKEY sound and graphic issue throughout Rescue On Fractalus = Black screen after starting game ReZolve = Works without issue Rikki and Vikki (No Music) = Works without issue Rip-Off = Works without issue Robbo = No sound Robots Rumble = Black screen Santa Simon = Works without issue Scramble = Sound issue Sentinel = Needs light gun support Serpentine = Black screen Sick Pickles = Works without issue Sirius = Works without issue Slide Boy in Maze Land = Works without issue Space Duel = Speed/Timing Issue Space Invaders = Works without issue Space Peril! = Graphic issue throughout Space Race = Graphic issue throughout Spire of the Ancients = Graphic issue throughout Super Circus AtariAge = Works without issue Super Pac-Man = Works without issue T:ME Salvo = Works without issue Touchdown Challenge = Graphic issue throughout Tunnels of Hyperion = Works without issue UniWarS = Works without issue Wasp! = Works without issue Wizard's Dungeon = No background sound and graphic issue throughout Wordle = Graphic corruption - letter selection area Worm! = Works without issue Best we can hope for is Atari integrating the updates readily available via JS7800 posted sources, which several from the community have assisted with updating. @Ben from Plaion As to the last part reading: «Best we can hope for is Atari integrating the updates readily available via JS7800 posted sources, which several from the community have assisted with updating.» Is this something your team will be able to work on prior to it’s launch, or is it more probable that later updates will come into play here? I could need 3 of these, but I’m mostly interested in the 7800-functionality, as it makes collecting/using 7800-carts much easier in Norway, bypassing the issues of PAL/NTSC etc-issues (and for others than me - the stuff about importing a NTSC crt-TV to play American carts. If such things (using the links above for updates) have been attempted and/or answered elsewhere, just link to answers/results. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted October 21, 2023 Share Posted October 21, 2023 7 hours ago, Giles N said: @Ben from Plaion As to the last part reading: «Best we can hope for is Atari integrating the updates readily available via JS7800 posted sources, which several from the community have assisted with updating.» Is this something your team will be able to work on prior to it’s launch, or is it more probable that later updates will come into play here? I could need 3 of these, but I’m mostly interested in the 7800-functionality, as it makes collecting/using 7800-carts much easier in Norway, bypassing the issues of PAL/NTSC etc-issues (and for others than me - the stuff about importing a NTSC crt-TV to play American carts. If such things (using the links above for updates) have been attempted and/or answered elsewhere, just link to answers/results. 👍 Same for me. I bougt a Robotron2084 cart for the 7800 after my preorder, now I hope to play the game on the plus soon😊 In the past I skipped many original NTSC carts as they failed on my PAL system. Some NTSC homebrews and hacks worked but looked a bit odd. I really hope the 7800 compatibility inclunding homebrews with Pokey/Hokey sound will increase with updates! The 7800 mode ist for me the important one, as my 2600 Junior will stay anyway. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 Reviewers seems to be testing lots of games they have at hand. Seems like as for the 7800: - Commando works with a tiny glitch on the title screen - Midnight Mutants actually works - - - - Doesn’t work out-of-the-box: - Rampage 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 Another 7800 title thats showed by a reviewer to work is: - Tank Command Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 2600 Games Working: Artillery Duel Single Ender Stargate Espial Not Working: Tunnel Runner Burgertime Starpath Supercharger + Official Frogger 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted November 16, 2023 Share Posted November 16, 2023 1 hour ago, swlovinist said: Not Working: Tunnel Runner This one’s sad. I hope they’ll get future firmware-updates to fix this. But on their own ‘tested’ list, neither Tunnel Runner nor Robot Tank seemed to work. - - - As for 7800 games, it surprised me that they said Double Dragon would work but not Rampage. I thought both used un-orthodox memory set-ups. Anyway, perhaps they just need for a future tougher Emulator-software to be installed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted November 18, 2023 Share Posted November 18, 2023 On 10/10/2023 at 10:21 AM, mksmith said: I think a reasonable number of homebrews especially the older titles may work but many of the new ones are using pokey @450 or even @800 which will/may not be supported by the announced emulator. Fingers crossed though! Hi Mike Even the old 7800 homebrews do not work. No games from Atariage, no Video 61 games No homebrews, made by me and Clark. Even my easiest 7800 hacks do not work. However some 2600 homebrews work. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joeyboots80 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 On 11/15/2023 at 9:24 PM, swlovinist said: 2600 Games Working: Artillery Duel Single Ender Stargate Espial Not Working: Tunnel Runner Burgertime Starpath Supercharger + Official Frogger I mourn for Burgertime. I hope they get it working on a future firmware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prince Manic Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) I watched a video from John Hancock and we said these work starting with the 7800 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DMFCAxlzYxg&pp=ygUjYXRhcmkgMjYwMCsgcmV2aWV3OiBhIHBlcmZlY2R0IGdpZnQ%3D Tank Command - Works Rampage 7800 version - Fails (might be a board that cannot read from) 2600 working StarGate - Works Burgertime - Works (but his is cart is not working) Artillery Duel - Works Tunnel Runner - Fails Espial - Works just listing what he had so Atari could update the list I'm gonna test xevious for the 7800 on mine since they're missing it on the list If my copy of Xevious works Atari should add it into their list. Edited November 19, 2023 by Prince Manic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 20 minutes ago, Prince Manic said: Burgertime - Works (but his is cart is not working) Burgertime works? I am 100% sure it cannot work, because that bankswitching scheme has not been implemented into the dumper yet. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gambler172 Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Hi Guys Played around with the 2600+ No 7800 homebrew works, none made by Atariage, none, made by Bob, none made by Video 61, none made by me, Clark and Charles. I only found one 7800 remake of Commando, made by a spanish guy, which works. I guess he used the original board sheme. Only the new developed multicart, made by Karri work....but only, if you put original 7800 games on it....no homebrews. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 5 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: Burgertime works? I am 100% sure it cannot work, because that bankswitching scheme has not been implemented into the dumper yet. I tested two carts and both and not working. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted November 22, 2023 Share Posted November 22, 2023 (edited) On 10/21/2023 at 3:53 AM, DEANJIMMY said: 👍 Same for me. I bougt a Robotron2084 cart for the 7800 after my preorder, now I hope to play the game on the plus soon😊 Robotron on the 2600+ is freaking amazing. My #1 game. Edited November 22, 2023 by tradyblix 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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