boog Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Coming in 2024 from Digital Eclipse, Llamasoft history presented in the same format/series as the Atari 50 Collection. https://www.digitaleclipse.com/games/llamasoft 7 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mayhem Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 Kept quiet on this as I was helping DE with a fair bit of the Commodore side of matters... nice to see it finally launched! 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 (edited) YOOOOOOOOO! I was just working on getting some of his roms for the Spectrum, DOS, and Atari 8-bits. Also just bought Moose Life literally last night. Glad to see Yak get some proper recognition beyond just being "the guy that made Tempest 2000 and Polybius" Hopefully Jeff can eventually make a Minotaur Collection vol 2 (and free his games from iOS/lost media prison), but can't complain with this. Edited December 7, 2023 by Warboss Gegguz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 any furry llamas, sheep or yaks harmed in the creation of this compilation? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KidGameR186496 Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 I do hope Defender 2000 is included on the compilation Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 7, 2023 Share Posted December 7, 2023 43 minutes ago, KidGameR186496 said: I do hope Defender 2000 is included on the compilation Looking at the list... unfortunately no. Not that it's surprising given it's a Midway/WB IP and they'd have to sign off on it for that to happen. One of the like 3 times Yak worked with a major publisher, and we're still gonna have to emulate it sadly. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Helper Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Need some NUON stuff in there. If they are going to have the Konix stuff then they NEED to have NUON to have the whole history. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Warboss Gegguz said: Looking at the list... unfortunately no. Not that it's surprising given it's a Midway/WB IP and they'd have to sign off on it for that to happen. One of the like 3 times Yak worked with a major publisher, and we're still gonna have to emulate it sadly. Expect that's why there is no Amiga/ST Defender II in there either. No Photon Storm either though.. Fantastic to see K onix Multi-System Attack of the Mutant Camels '89 included though. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 6 hours ago, Lostdragon said: Expect that's why there is no Amiga/ST Defender II in there either. No Photon Storm either though.. Fantastic to see K onix Multi-System Attack of the Mutant Camels '89 included though. It's a shame, because Defender 2000 would be awesome with a widescreen patch or something like the performance patches they had for Tempest 2000. Your ship is so much bigger and you move so much faster compared to Defender, Stargate, and Strike Force that even with the screen justification the series does, the biggest challenge for me is not just crashing into enemies and dying. And you don't damage enemies that are off-screen even if you can see them on the radar, so I just inch along instead of flying. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lostdragon Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Photon Storm at the time reciieved some critidcm for it's repetive gameplay and lack of sophistication for a 16-bit title... But I wonder if it was due to the game's control method, that it's not included? Being as it was, mouse-controlled, with the left button for fire, right for thrust., whilst holding down fire you can rotate the direction of fire independent from the way you're heading. Boost and Smart Bombs mapped to keyboard Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hwlngmad Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Yeah, it would be nice to have a few more select titles on the compilation. But, we are getting quite a few titles from lots of different machines. I think the collection will be worth while. And, hey, who's to say that they may not add more titles with an update or two a la Atari 50th? It could happen. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) 44 minutes ago, Hwlngmad said: Yeah, it would be nice to have a few more select titles on the compilation. But, we are getting quite a few titles from lots of different machines. I think the collection will be worth while. And, hey, who's to say that they may not add more titles with an update or two a la Atari 50th? It could happen. Having struggled forever to get C64, VIC-20, and ST emulation to work without hours of trouble shooting, I'm more than content with what we have here. My experience is that emulating any home computer other than the ZX-Spectrum and DOS is absolute hell. But more games is always cool. Edited December 8, 2023 by Warboss Gegguz 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 (edited) Also, just as an aside, Gridrunner++ and Hover Bovver 2 are both freeware and compatible with Windows 11 if anyone is interested in getting "as complete a collection as possible". https://www.myabandonware.com/game/gridrunner-dhc https://www.myabandonware.com/game/hover-bovver-2-grand-theft-flymo-mgq Edited December 8, 2023 by Warboss Gegguz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Warboss Gegguz said: Having struggled forever to get C64, VIC-20, and ST emulation ST emulation is pretty easy now, what part are you struggling with? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 5 minutes ago, zzip said: ST emulation is pretty easy now, what part are you struggling with? Well... I take it back. Last time I tried using Hatari I remember it being a nightmare... but it worked fine now. Guess I was either really dumb at the time or theirs been QOL improvements. I also think I may have been using Retroarch at the time (which I don't really like, but just use in cases where the Libretro core is the only best emulator/the one in active development) for ease of use, so that may have actually made things worse...which happens pretty often with Retroarch. Honestly, I kind of hat retroarch on PC. And with stuff like Ares having better/equal Sega emulation to Blast'em and Picodrive, its become basically useless outside of MAME. But I digress, yeah, seems like I was just a stupid kid at the time. I've been doing emulation since I was like 9 (which is the whole reason I'm into stuff like Atari), so sometimes I'm not always up-to-date. I still stand by my take on Commodore emulation though (Vic-20, C64, and Amiga in particular). Whether it's dedicated programs or libretro, it's always a total crap-shoot for me. Either the controls don't work, there's a ton of disk/tape swapping, there's missing libraries, or some other unforeseen crap. Respect to any british gamers out there who had to deal with this IRL and with actual cassette/floppy disc load times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Ironically this whole aside is exactly why compilations like this, Atari 50, Atari Vault, Midway Treasures, Capcom's Collections, SNK Anniversary, Arcade Archives, etc. are appealing to me. I understand and can absolutely work with emulators, and hardly struggle with 90% of the software out there... but sometimes it's just nice to NOT have to. Like, Stella, Altirra, and Prosystem are great and easy to work, but MAME is a pain in the ass and the emulation quality varies (understandably so). So being able to just run a program and play shit is nice. As of late, Digital Eclipse has been nailing it. Code Mystics and (even more so) M2 are still the gold standards to me, but DE's quality is WAY less variable than it was in the 2000s. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 2 hours ago, Warboss Gegguz said: Well... I take it back. Last time I tried using Hatari I remember it being a nightmare... but it worked fine now. Guess I was either really dumb at the time or theirs been QOL improvements. I also think I may have been using Retroarch at the time (which I don't really like, but just use in cases where the Libretro core is the only best emulator/the one in active development) for ease of use, so that may have actually made things worse...which happens pretty often with Retroarch. Ah OK, in my experience Retroarch is great for console emulation, but getting the computer cores to work is annoying. I was recently experimenting with the "DOSbox Pure" core which is supposed to streamline Dosbox, but I found it worse in every way to native DosBox-X Anyway Hatari works great for ST emulation. And their online manual is clear and concise and a good way to learn about features you didn't know it had! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Zeptari Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 Ph On 12/7/2023 at 7:34 AM, boog said: Coming in 2024 from Digital Eclipse, Llamasoft history Release date, Physical release too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boog Posted December 8, 2023 Author Share Posted December 8, 2023 No specifics yet. They just announced that the collection is coming in 2024. The linked page should update as they release more details. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzip Posted December 8, 2023 Share Posted December 8, 2023 "Hardcore" is another Minter game I had on my ST, but don't see it on the list. Maybe because it was mouse controlled? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 (edited) 9 hours ago, zzip said: "Hardcore" is another Minter game I had on my ST, but don't see it on the list. Maybe because it was mouse controlled? Probably because hardcore was never actually finished. He was GOING to finish it, but it happened the same time he got contracted to start work on the Jaguar so it never got past the Shareware stage. Maybe in later update or as an extra like the prototypes in Atari 50? idk. Either way it's not a mouse thing, because Super Gridrunner is also mouse controlled. http://minotaurproject.co.uk/lc-16bit.php#2 Edited December 9, 2023 by Warboss Gegguz 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 After playing Llamatron and it, all I can think about is how prominent the "Photosensitive Epilepsy" Warnings are gonna have to be on this. Like, that just goes for all of his games, but the flashes of white on the ST games is rough even as someone without that issue. lol. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Also, I'm just gonna link to Llamasoft's itch.io for anyone looking to grab GR++, Hoover Boover 2, or Deflex. https://llamasoft-ox.itch.io/ The links on the official site are dead. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PFL Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 Does anyone know if any of the games are getting tweaked, at all? I'd love to see Traxx for the VIC get decent controls! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warboss Gegguz Posted December 9, 2023 Share Posted December 9, 2023 2 minutes ago, PFL said: Does anyone know if any of the games are getting tweaked, at all? I'd love to see Traxx for the VIC get decent controls! I'd imagine so given they did as much for a lot of games in Atari 50. Granted, those were arcade games with weird controls, but then they also did stuff like add analog support to Tempest 2000 so 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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