Spanner Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I keep getting `Not Responding` on the Dumper program after I press the Download button on Windows 11, it detects the Atari2600+...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 19 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: It would have cost 5x as much to produce and sell. Nobody us paying $500 for a new 2600 unless they're a collector or have recent head trauma. LOL. 9 posts. registered December 30th. I personally would rather pay $500 for a new Atari console than a PS5. 👍 💪 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) One thing I noticed when you put the Switch to B&W and hold the RESET down and Power on it puts it into joystick mode so the joystick from the Atari2600+ works on the PC, like the Capcom Home Arcade does. You can see it on the Game Controller Settings on the PC... THEGamepad... (it uses the same code in the chip as THEA500 Gamepad dose that why THEGamepad comes up, it does not matter if it works that all the matter and it does)its probably only showing one because I only have one Atari Joystick plugged in so detects it if you have them plugged in, its kind of cool.. . I think it goes into Dumper Mode then it has no joysticks plugged in so it can flash it, so shows that the dumper chip is connected to the controller chip and then USB. Edited January 6 by Spanner 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 48 minutes ago, shane857 said: I personally would rather pay $500 for a new Atari console than a PS5. 👍 💪 I don’t own a console newer than a PS3, so I’m with you. But there’s nowhere near enough of us to make that viable commercially. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 (edited) 28 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said: I don’t own a console newer than a PS3, so I’m with you. But there’s nowhere near enough of us to make that viable commercially. Atari is a publisher only, they are no way as big as SIE, they were Infogrames originally so are a PC games publisher that bought the Atari IP, they are not a corporation like Sony, they only have companies in France and America mainly, SIE is 10 times bigger then them and is everywhere, you saw how much of a hard time they had making the Atari VCS, Atari are only one company, Sony is made of loads of companies across the world, you can not think to sell a console in one region and will do well it needs to be sold everywhere it can, like the PS Original was(and like the Atari2600+ was, best thing Atari and Plaion did), it blown Sega out of the water and now they do not make machines no more, it killed the Saturn and Dreamcast(PS2 killed it) off. Edited January 6 by Spanner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cody2000 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 So taking all the information provided by numerous AA users is anyone from the likes of Atari Or Plaion compiling this info so it's more well documented and better known what all games have issues still and what ones don't so there's a better starting point to focus on things moving forward with a official release past the 1.1 beta? with answers and info being kinda widespread all over the 2600+ forum thread I imagine the info isn't exactly easy to compile not to mention results are varying per different people it seems one person a game will work and another person that same game doesn't 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevEng Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 17 minutes ago, Cody2000 said: So taking all the information provided by numerous AA users is anyone from the likes of Atari Or Plaion compiling this info so it's more well documented and better known what all games have issues still and what ones don't so there's a better starting point to focus on things moving forward with a official release past the 1.1 beta? with answers and info being kinda widespread all over the 2600+ forum thread I imagine the info isn't exactly easy to compile not to mention results are varying per different people it seems one person a game will work and another person that same game doesn't Speaking to the 7800 side of things, @raz0red and I have been compiling a list of issues reported here, and actively investigating+addressing them. That list is private, because we're dealing with old carts, dirty carts, varying boards for different releases, etc - and getting multiple reports on the same games lets us cut through some of that noise. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark Descent Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Spanner said: I keep getting `Not Responding` on the Dumper program after I press the Download button on Windows 11, it detects the Atari2600+...? I got that a few times. I changed the USB port for the 2600+ and it worked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+remowilliams Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 You might not be able to tell what's going on with the update or compatibility but at least we know how people feel about PCs, OSes and cell phones now. 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 6 Author Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Cody2000 said: So taking all the information provided by numerous AA users is anyone from the likes of Atari Or Plaion compiling this info so it's more well documented and better known what all games have issues still and what ones don't so there's a better starting point to focus on things moving forward with a official release past the 1.1 beta? with answers and info being kinda widespread all over the 2600+ forum thread I imagine the info isn't exactly easy to compile not to mention results are varying per different people it seems one person a game will work and another person that same game doesn't Yes, everyone involved goes through the thread with a fine tooth comb. I often write an email to the factory about something thats comes up and they say yeah we already read it on Atari Age. Generally I take action when two of the same reports are posted. As RevEng noted, they are taking care of 7800, so I need to ensure 50hz PAL 2600 is not missing sprites and RealSports NTSC is corrected. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 I just finished testing all of my NTSC 2600 carts that had problems in 1.0 with the updated dumper and 1.1 version. The list of issues is below and I tried to add a description of the problems. I approximated the number of games that use the alternate controllers using the Atariage database, happy to update those if someone has better numbers. I'll start with what changed on my list. Games that came off the list because they are working now (ignoring special controller needs): Basic Programming - I think my cart saw me looking at Ebay and decided it better start working Circus Convoy Magicard & Videolife - the plus requires a hard reboot after these have been loaded for some reason Mountain King Rally Racer Rush Hour Sound Paddle Space Jockey - Similar to my Basic Programming, it started working again Zarkstars - Ground Force Games that were added to the list, not because of new problems: Missile Command Collector's Edition Thrust+ - I have 3 versions but haven't determined if any of them are playable with the right settings Yars' Return - I still have heat issues and may need to learn how to take this apart to see if I can figure out what is happening There are 3 games that I'm not sure if my cart is good or not, would be great if someone else with these could test them: 2600 Signal Tracing Asteroids Deluxe Jungle Fever The list: 1 Keyboard Controller Games At least 18 games 2 Driving Controller Games At least 5 games 3 Trackball Mode Games At least 11 games 4 Light Gun Games At least 7 games 5 Supercharger Games At least 14 games 6 Rom Carts (A26 Maxicart, Krokodile, Cuttle Cart) 7 Misc Peripherals (AtariVox, Quadtari, Booster Grip) 8 2600 Signal Tracing Cart Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 9 Aardvark Game freezes when button pressed to start 10 Asteroids Deluxe Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 11 Boulder Dash Loading Game Failed 12 Brik Loads, but accepts no inputs 13 Bump ‘N’ Jump Blank screen on attempted load 14 Burgertime Doesn't load properly 15 Chetiry Loading Game Failed 16 Crack'ed (earlier version) Blank screen on attempted load 17 Dare Devil Loading Game Failed 18 Deepstone Catacomb Loading Game Failed 19 Draconian Loads to pulsing line screen 20 Dragon Chase Doesn't load properly 21 Dragon’s Descent Game won't advance past starting screen 22 End Loading Game Failed 23 Epic Adventure Doesn't load properly 24 Escape from the Castle Loading Game Failed 25 Evil Magician II Doesn't load properly 26 Fall Down Player 2 has no control 27 Funky Fish Loading Game Failed 28 Galagon Loads to pulsing line screen 29 Gingerbread Man Loading Game Failed 30 Gorf Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 31 Grizzards Loads to blank screen with buzzing sound 32 James Bond 007 Blank screen on attempted load 33 Jungle Fever Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 34 Lady Bug Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 35 Landfill Appears to play but no sound 36 Load Runner Loads to pulsing line screen 37 Looping Blank screen on attempted load 38 Mappy Loads to pulsing line screen 39 Masters of the universe – The Power of He Man Doesn't load properly 40 Megaboy Loading Game Failed 41 Millipede Track Ball Edition Doesn't load properly, graphics incomplete 42 Missile Command CE Loading Game Failed 43 Mr. Do! (Rev C) Blank screen on attempted load 44 Omega Race Loads, but fire button always on and booster grip not working 45 Panic! Rooms Loading Game Failed 46 Pitfall II Doesn't load properly 47 Pleiades Loading Game Failed 48 Qyx Loads to pulsing line screen 49 RealSports Boxing Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 50 Robot Tank Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 51 Robotwar Loads to pulsing line screen 52 RubyQ Loads to pulsing line screen 53 Scramble (Champ Games) Loading Game Failed 54 Seaweed Assault Loading Game Failed, Older version works 55 Smurfs Save the Day Blank screen on attempted load 56 Space Cactus Canyon Loading Game Failed 57 Space Rocks Loading Game Failed 58 Spike’s Peak Loads but Joystick not active 59 Star Castle Arcade Doesn't load properly, graphics incomplete 60 Stay Frosty 2 Blank screen on attempted load 61 Stella's Stocking Blank screen on attempted load 62 Stratovox Loading Game Failed 63 Super Cobra Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 64 The Byte before Christmas Loading Game Failed 65 The Gizzle Wap and the Strange Red Tree Loading Game Failed 66 The Music Machine Loads but sound messed up 67 The Pursuit of the Pink Panther Loading Game Failed 68 Thrust+, SE, DC, Platinum All versions seem to have controller issues 69 Toyshop Trouble Loading Game Failed 70 Turbo (Coleco) Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 71 Tyre Trax Loading Game Failed 72 Unholy Loading Game Failed 73 Venture Reloaded Loads to high pitched sound and won't advance 74 Wizard of Wor (Champ Games) Loads to pulsing line screen 75 X3V0lux Loads, but accepts no inputs 76 Yars' Return Only left side of playfield works, stopped loading 77 Zippy the Porcupine Blank screen on attempted load 78 Zoltrix Loading Game Failed 79 Zoo Keeper Loads to pulsing line screen 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 2 hours ago, Spanner said: Atari is a publisher only, they are no way as big as SIE, they were Infogrames originally so are a PC games publisher that bought the Atari IP, they are not a corporation like Sony, they only have companies in France and America mainly, SIE is 10 times bigger then them and is everywhere, you saw how much of a hard time they had making the Atari VCS, Atari are only one company, Sony is made of loads of companies across the world, you can not think to sell a console in one region and will do well it needs to be sold everywhere it can, like the PS Original was(and like the Atari2600+ was, best thing Atari and Plaion did), it blown Sega out of the water and now they do not make machines no more, it killed the Saturn and Dreamcast(PS2 killed it) off. Not a good thing to kill other companies off tho,in my opinion. You want to be the best...tho you need competition to improve. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 40 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Yes, everyone involved goes through the thread with a fine tooth comb. I often write an email to the factory about something thats comes up and they say yeah we already read it on Atari Age. Generally I take action when two of the same reports are posted. As RevEng noted, they are taking care of 7800, so I need to ensure 50hz PAL 2600 is not missing sprites and RealSports NTSC is corrected. Hopefully Ben from Plaion has a team helping him. 💪 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 38 minutes ago, Atari_Warlord said: I just finished testing all of my NTSC 2600 carts that had problems in 1.0 with the updated dumper and 1.1 version. The list of issues is below and I tried to add a description of the problems. I approximated the number of games that use the alternate controllers using the Atariage database, happy to update those if someone has better numbers. I'll start with what changed on my list. Games that came off the list because they are working now (ignoring special controller needs): Basic Programming - I think my cart saw me looking at Ebay and decided it better start working Circus Convoy Magicard & Videolife - the plus requires a hard reboot after these have been loaded for some reason Mountain King Rally Racer Rush Hour Sound Paddle Space Jockey - Similar to my Basic Programming, it started working again Zarkstars - Ground Force Games that were added to the list, not because of new problems: Missile Command Collector's Edition Thrust+ - I have 3 versions but haven't determined if any of them are playable with the right settings Yars' Return - I still have heat issues and may need to learn how to take this apart to see if I can figure out what is happening There are 3 games that I'm not sure if my cart is good or not, would be great if someone else with these could test them: 2600 Signal Tracing Asteroids Deluxe Jungle Fever The list: 1 Keyboard Controller Games At least 18 games 2 Driving Controller Games At least 5 games 3 Trackball Mode Games At least 11 games 4 Light Gun Games At least 7 games 5 Supercharger Games At least 14 games 6 Rom Carts (A26 Maxicart, Krokodile, Cuttle Cart) 7 Misc Peripherals (AtariVox, Quadtari, Booster Grip) 8 2600 Signal Tracing Cart Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 9 Aardvark Game freezes when button pressed to start 10 Asteroids Deluxe Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 11 Boulder Dash Loading Game Failed 12 Brik Loads, but accepts no inputs 13 Bump ‘N’ Jump Blank screen on attempted load 14 Burgertime Doesn't load properly 15 Chetiry Loading Game Failed 16 Crack'ed (earlier version) Blank screen on attempted load 17 Dare Devil Loading Game Failed 18 Deepstone Catacomb Loading Game Failed 19 Draconian Loads to pulsing line screen 20 Dragon Chase Doesn't load properly 21 Dragon’s Descent Game won't advance past starting screen 22 End Loading Game Failed 23 Epic Adventure Doesn't load properly 24 Escape from the Castle Loading Game Failed 25 Evil Magician II Doesn't load properly 26 Fall Down Player 2 has no control 27 Funky Fish Loading Game Failed 28 Galagon Loads to pulsing line screen 29 Gingerbread Man Loading Game Failed 30 Gorf Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 31 Grizzards Loads to blank screen with buzzing sound 32 James Bond 007 Blank screen on attempted load 33 Jungle Fever Might be bad cart, doesn't work on original 2600 34 Lady Bug Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 35 Landfill Appears to play but no sound 36 Load Runner Loads to pulsing line screen 37 Looping Blank screen on attempted load 38 Mappy Loads to pulsing line screen 39 Masters of the universe – The Power of He Man Doesn't load properly 40 Megaboy Loading Game Failed 41 Millipede Track Ball Edition Doesn't load properly, graphics incomplete 42 Missile Command CE Loading Game Failed 43 Mr. Do! (Rev C) Blank screen on attempted load 44 Omega Race Loads, but fire button always on and booster grip not working 45 Panic! Rooms Loading Game Failed 46 Pitfall II Doesn't load properly 47 Pleiades Loading Game Failed 48 Qyx Loads to pulsing line screen 49 RealSports Boxing Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 50 Robot Tank Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 51 Robotwar Loads to pulsing line screen 52 RubyQ Loads to pulsing line screen 53 Scramble (Champ Games) Loading Game Failed 54 Seaweed Assault Loading Game Failed, Older version works 55 Smurfs Save the Day Blank screen on attempted load 56 Space Cactus Canyon Loading Game Failed 57 Space Rocks Loading Game Failed 58 Spike’s Peak Loads but Joystick not active 59 Star Castle Arcade Doesn't load properly, graphics incomplete 60 Stay Frosty 2 Blank screen on attempted load 61 Stella's Stocking Blank screen on attempted load 62 Stratovox Loading Game Failed 63 Super Cobra Arcade Loads to pulsing line screen 64 The Byte before Christmas Loading Game Failed 65 The Gizzle Wap and the Strange Red Tree Loading Game Failed 66 The Music Machine Loads but sound messed up 67 The Pursuit of the Pink Panther Loading Game Failed 68 Thrust+, SE, DC, Platinum All versions seem to have controller issues 69 Toyshop Trouble Loading Game Failed 70 Turbo (Coleco) Doesn't load properly, scrolling screen 71 Tyre Trax Loading Game Failed 72 Unholy Loading Game Failed 73 Venture Reloaded Loads to high pitched sound and won't advance 74 Wizard of Wor (Champ Games) Loads to pulsing line screen 75 X3V0lux Loads, but accepts no inputs 76 Yars' Return Only left side of playfield works, stopped loading 77 Zippy the Porcupine Blank screen on attempted load 78 Zoltrix Loading Game Failed 79 Zoo Keeper Does “Keyboard Controller” include Video Touch Pad? I’m surprised at how many games used that; also how many used the driving controller and that there is any trackball support - which ganes support a trackball on the 2600? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 7 minutes ago, Sean_1970 said: Does “Keyboard Controller” include Video Touch Pad? I’m surprised at how many games used that; also how many used the driving controller and that there is any trackball support - which ganes support a trackball on the 2600? For the "Keyboard" I also included the Star Raiders pad and Kid's Controller, I believe they all function the same. Here are the Trackball games that I have and were available at one time in the store: Centipede Challenge of Nexar Colony 7 Millipede Missile Command Missile Control Plaque Attack Reactor Space Master X-7 Star Wars the Arcade Game 7800 Centipede (Don't have this one yet) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 5 minutes ago, Atari_Warlord said: For the "Keyboard" I also included the Star Raiders pad and Kid's Controller, I believe they all function the same. Here are the Trackball games that I have and were available at one time in the store: Centipede Challenge of Nexar Colony 7 Millipede Missile Command Missile Control Plaque Attack Reactor Space Master X-7 Star Wars the Arcade Game 7800 Centipede (Don't have this one yet) Wait, didn’t most of these come out before the trackball was released? How could it be supported? If they are supported that would definitely warrant my getting one if it was reissued - especially if 7800 versions of these games also worked with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 4 minutes ago, Sean_1970 said: Wait, didn’t most of these come out before the trackball was released? How could it be supported? If they are supported that would definitely warrant my getting one if it was reissued - especially if 7800 versions of these games also worked with it. They are all conversions done by Thomas Jentzsch about 10 years ago. It may be hard to get carts for most of them as Atari/Atariage would need license agreements if they wanted to sell them again. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 Just now, Atari_Warlord said: They are all conversions done by Thomas Jentzsch about 10 years ago. It may be hard to get carts for most of them as Atari/Atariage would need license agreements if they wanted to sell them again. Ah okay. But they did release a trackball for the 2600 towards the end of its life, right? What actually worked with that? Maybe Millipede? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Sean_1970 said: Ah okay. But they did release a trackball for the 2600 towards the end of its life, right? What actually worked with that? Maybe Millipede? Yes, they released trackballs back in the day, I have several. There are two modes available by flipping a switch. The first is it acts just like a joystick, which is how we had to play the games back then. With this mode you could use it with any game that accepted a joystick. The second is true trackball or mouse mode. Until Thomas did the conversions, I don't believe any games used this mode. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 minute ago, Atari_Warlord said: Yes, they released trackballs back in the day, I have several. There are two modes available by flipping a switch. The first is it acts just like a joystick, which is how we had to play the games back then. With this mode you could use it with any game that accepted a joystick. The second is true trackball or mouse mode. Until Thomas did the conversions, I don't believe any games used this mode. Hmmm. Well if they do a + version of the Trackball, clearly they’d have to do some kind of #-in-1 cart with the conversions and then maybe some enhanced 7800 versions with trackball support. Long as the quality is better than 1Ups these will sell no problem 😁 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thomas Jentzsch Posted January 6 Share Posted January 6 1 hour ago, Atari_Warlord said: They are all conversions done by Thomas Jentzsch ...and @Omegamatrix. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 3 hours ago, Thomas Jentzsch said: ...and @Omegamatrix. And the legendary Ken Siders on the 7800 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrChickenz Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 17 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: Yes, everyone involved goes through the thread with a fine tooth comb. I often write an email to the factory about something thats comes up and they say yeah we already read it on Atari Age. Generally I take action when two of the same reports are posted. As RevEng noted, they are taking care of 7800, so I need to ensure 50hz PAL 2600 is not missing sprites and RealSports NTSC is corrected. Ben and everyone else involved are all over this like Mud on a Pig! Thanks to all for making Atari 2600+ even better! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Intellivision Master Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 16 hours ago, Atari_Warlord said: Space Master X-7 I like that game. It's interesting. It would be nice to see a re-release of it or perhaps an enhanced version. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spanner Posted January 7 Share Posted January 7 (edited) 21 hours ago, Dark Descent said: I got that a few times. I changed the USB port for the 2600+ and it worked. I am using Windows 11 but because my PC is not a supported PC(2013)10 years old https://icecat.co.uk/p/asus/p8h61-mx/motherboards-p8h61-mx-14171879.html it still stuck on the original build 21H2(there's 22H2 and 23H2 now for each year 2021, 2022 and 2023 so the next build will be 242H on both Win10 and 11) so maybe why I am having a Not Responding on the Dumper App, but should work on a older build. I might need to use a USB port(I think they are USB 2.0) on the back of my PC, will do that later, its abit hard to get too(specially when you have arthritis in your back, knees and left arm, got hit by a car in 2013) to put the cable in, I need to get a extension USB cable that would make it alot easier, if it still does it then its Windows 11 doing it and making the app freeze. Edited January 7 by Spanner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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