flaggskull Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 13 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: That would be the ultimate test, bring it with you to the show! LOL, Albert already kindly asked me not to bring it. However, if you're feeling brave and want to risk it......... -Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted August 22 Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, flaggskull said: LOL, Albert already kindly asked me not to bring it. However, if you're feeling brave and want to risk it......... You can wreak havoc in the Atari booth. ..Al Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaggskull Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 hours ago, Albert said: You can wreak havoc in the Atari booth. ..Al Game on then! Ben shall be reunited with the "evil" cartridge. Best of luck to him. 🫣 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 12 hours ago, flaggskull said: Game on then! Ben shall be reunited with the "evil" cartridge. Best of luck to him. 🫣 Would someone like to fill the uninitiated in on what this evil cartridge was all about ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atari_Warlord Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Is there more information available for the wireless controllers? How long does the battery charge last on average for cx-78+ and cx-40+? How long does it take to charge them? No issues if multiple controllers are being used? Will they work on the Quadtari (4 in use at the same time)? For future consideration, I would suggest adding a switch to the bottom of the CX-40+ to enable the control for left handed individuals since the cord placement is no longer a limitation. I grew up with a good friend that was always at a disadvantage. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 i got bored, so i tried copying the 1990 era 7800 print ads (Alien Brigade/Ikari Warriors) for a bit of fun with the 7800+, apologies for the... quality... I did this just to do it and i didnt really have any hq reference images available but i hope it was worth the couple minutes it took me to do. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 On 8/22/2024 at 4:24 AM, Ben from Plaion said: It's never come up in conversation to release a machine without a game. Yeah, SOC, memory and RAM are the same. Differences between the two are updated cart socket and changes to the dumper and controller chips. tbh that makes sense, i mean. It's not just the minority of us who are fetuses whom never owned any of the games back then or anything its just kinda what you'd expect from a Classic Console anyways, something to do with it in case you might not have some games already. but maybe someday a "core version" could exist but it plays asteroids built in or something. Who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 also to those who got the 2600+ around the time of this announcement. You guys are still awesome, and dont worry anyways, the 7800+ is more for the people like me to put next to the PS5 or XBS to play some carts after work or school with Craig from the night shift. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 18 minutes ago, Maztr_0n said: tbh that makes sense, i mean. It's not just the minority of us who are fetuses whom never owned any of the games back then or anything its just kinda what you'd expect from a Classic Console anyways, something to do with it in case you might not have some games already. but maybe someday a "core version" could exist but it plays asteroids built in or something. Who knows? My question is, are Atari 2600+ owners going to be forced to upgrade to the 7800+ for better game/controller compatibility? 🤔 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 32 minutes ago, Atari_Warlord said: Is there more information available for the wireless controllers? How long does the battery charge last on average for cx-78+ and cx-40+? How long does it take to charge them? No issues if multiple controllers are being used? Will they work on the Quadtari (4 in use at the same time)? For future consideration, I would suggest adding a switch to the bottom of the CX-40+ to enable the control for left handed individuals since the cord placement is no longer a limitation. I grew up with a good friend that was always at a disadvantage. Specs for both wireless controllers attached I tested both controllers at once and all fine. Not tested on a Quadtari. Probably unlikely to revise the CX40+ with a switch as you suggest. 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Intellivision Master Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 2 minutes ago, shane857 said: My question is, are Atari 2600+ owners going to be forced to upgrade to the 7800+ for better game/controller compatibility? 🤔 It shouldn't come to that. But if it did, I have my original 7800 so I'm good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Just now, Intellivision Master said: It shouldn't come to that. But if it did, I have my original 7800 so I'm good. For me personally. I would just stay with the 2600+ if that was the case. No way am I paying another $130/£99 for an updated cart socket and changes to the dumper and controller chips. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 minutes ago, shane857 said: My question is, are Atari 2600+ owners going to be forced to upgrade to the 7800+ for better game/controller compatibility? 🤔 I dont think so, oddly i kinda think that the 7800+ is just moreso for the younger atarians like me who might be more used to wireless controllers and more contemporary types of games like BBCQ and the 2600+ is possibly going to still be the main model. Maybe also just some minor improvements for 7800 specifically for that system? Guess it also depends on what library you're going for and why you'd want to play Atari. I am hoping to someday test Ikari Warriors 7800 myself not just because everything i say about it but, i think a few emulators tend to somehow make the grenade guys rapid fire their grenades at the same rate as machine guns, and looking at footage online from original 7800, thats not supposed to happen. So i'm kind of hoping i can eventually try it on my 1.0 2600+ and a 7800+ to see if that game suffers from "goblin mode grenade guys syndrome" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 1 minute ago, shane857 said: For me personally. I would just stay with the 2600+ if that was the case. No way am I paying another $130/£99 for an updated cart socket and changes to the dumper and controller chips. Thats totally fair, i mean i'm getting it because i feel like i'd really enjoy it, but hey, just enjoy the new releases coming for the launch B] 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted August 23 Author Share Posted August 23 5 hours ago, tradyblix said: Would someone like to fill the uninitiated in on what this evil cartridge was all about ? I went to PGRE last year and we had some 2600+s on Atari Age stand. Some kind forum members turned up with boxes and boxes of carts to test compatibility, @flaggskull @littaum @swlovinist (forgive me anyone I forget to mention). @flaggskull had a Rampage cart that bent a pin. The cart was then known as the evil cart. It struck me how thoughtful and constructive these people were, taking the time to pick a lot of specific carts from their collections, to then drive them upto PGRE, come to the stand and offer them up to be tested on the pre-release 2600+ machines. We went through them all together and were recording results in an excel in real time, this excel went straight to the factory and helped further cartridge compatibility. I'll never forget the experience. 14 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 38 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: bent a pin 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 Is it November yet? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaggskull Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: I went to PGRE last year and we had some 2600+s on Atari Age stand. Some kind forum members turned up with boxes and boxes of carts to test compatibility, @flaggskull @littaum @swlovinist (forgive me anyone I forget to mention). @flaggskull had a Rampage cart that bent a pin. The cart was then known as the evil cart. It struck me how thoughtful and constructive these people were, taking the time to pick a lot of specific carts from their collections, to then drive them upto PGRE, come to the stand and offer them up to be tested on the pre-release 2600+ machines. We went through them all together and were recording results in an excel in real time, this excel went straight to the factory and helped further cartridge compatibility. I'll never forget the experience. Besides the unfortunate Rampage cartridge incident, it was a great time! Looking forward to seeing everyone again next month. BTW, I believe I had around 8 incompatible games that we tested and all but 1 now work with the latest experimental firmware. GREAT JOB to all involved! -Chad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zonie Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 (edited) 3 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: bent a pin. -Snip- Ughh. The biggest issue I used to encounter in Semiconductor equipment in the early 90's. Have pissed off really large customer that makes microprocessors call about issue on new tool I just got home from installing. Drop everything Fly to customer city Rent car Drive to customer site Find bent pin in 5 min. Fix pin Argue with customer that it isn't warranty since they added their own stuff and their other supplier damaged it Customer reluctantly signs Service report Fly home Take wife out to dinner since the trip ruined... some plans. Regarding the 7800+. Other than the pause button, I think it is probably irrelevant since it is functionally identical to the 2600+, Plaion and Atari have to manage two products that do essentially the same thing. I see it as only having value to a collector, or folks who prefer the look. I cannot recall if I ever used the pause button on my 7800... Edited August 23 by Zonie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted August 23 Share Posted August 23 3 hours ago, bent_pin said: Abe Fromann, The Sausage King of Chicago? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I'd make a joke about "wake me up when september ends" but thats just october, and also that song is a bit too sad to even attempt a joke with, even if november came after september. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maztr_0n Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 47 minutes ago, Zonie said: Regarding the 7800+. Other than the pause button, I think it is probably irrelevant since it is functionally identical to the 2600+, Plaion and Atari have to manage two products that do essentially the same thing. I see it as only having value to a collector, or folks who prefer the look. I cannot recall if I ever used the pause button on my 7800... Ironically enough, i think i might use the pause button more than i'd think i would tbh, i mean i'm a big fan of the later 2600 titles and 7800 games, but reflecting on this, i've had to stop playing a game to do something almost every time i swear 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 8 hours ago, Maztr_0n said: I am hoping to someday test Ikari Warriors 7800 myself not just because everything i say about it but, i think a few emulators tend to somehow make the grenade guys rapid fire their grenades at the same rate as machine guns, and looking at footage online from original 7800, thats not supposed to happen. So i'm kind of hoping i can eventually try it on my 1.0 2600+ and a 7800+ to see if that game suffers from "goblin mode grenade guys syndrome" Behavior under the A7800 emulator matches real hardware for Ikari Warriors. If the ProSystem emulator, or an associated RetroPie/RetroArch port is being leveraged, there is a good chance there are indeed inaccuracies or/and inconsistencies with gameplay behavior. Keep in mind though, game behavior changes dependent on which of the four challenge settings is selected. Be sure to compare apples to apples, not emulated game set to EXPERT, and online footage set to NOVICE, or some other mismatch challenge setting. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceInfinity Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 11 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: I went to PGRE last year and we had some 2600+s on Atari Age stand. Some kind forum members turned up with boxes and boxes of carts to test compatibility, @flaggskull @littaum @swlovinist (forgive me anyone I forget to mention). @flaggskull had a Rampage cart that bent a pin. The cart was then known as the evil cart. It struck me how thoughtful and constructive these people were, taking the time to pick a lot of specific carts from their collections, to then drive them upto PGRE, come to the stand and offer them up to be tested on the pre-release 2600+ machines. We went through them all together and were recording results in an excel in real time, this excel went straight to the factory and helped further cartridge compatibility. I'll never forget the experience. Will you be at PRGE again this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 1 hour ago, ForceInfinity said: Will you be at PRGE again this year? Yup 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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