Atari is finally embracing their Japanese heritage

[+Sauron]

19 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

no, I just try to get other anime fans who become combative over it to admit that they either don’t care about it enough to say anything, or would prefer to sweep it under the rug like it doesn’t exist or isn’t their problem - which is exactly the behavior that allows it to perpetuate. 
 

 

It's not a matter of trying to sweep it under the rug. Rather, at least on my end, I see efforts to ban offensive content as ineffectual and completely missing the root of the problem. Efforts to ban offensive content of any kind have almost always had the exact same results: it puts a premium on the price of said content and thus creates a thriving black market, and in turn causes some of those who were otherwise unaware of it to then seek it out for whatever reason, which then ends up increasing the demand for it instead of stifling it. And in almost all cases, it somehow ends up trampling on the rights of others who have nothing to do with the content when said bans are poorly implemented. We've seen it happen time and time again with items or content that has been deemed harmful to society. 

 

In my opinion, it would be much more effective to address the root of the problem, such as looking for ways to inhibit the harmful behaviors that cause people to seek out such content to begin with. But that's well beyond the scope of this thread, and well beyond what I have the time or inclination to discuss here. 

 

For those willing to delve more into it, there's actually an anime series based on a novel that I would recommend, called Welcome to the NHK, that actually addresses much of this same subject matter. I highly recommend it, although it can be a hard watch due to the subject matter involved. I would recommend the novel over the show, but it seems to be almost impossible to find, at least here in the US.

 

[John Stamos Mullet]

36 minutes ago, Giles N said:

 

I do have noticed what I’ve come to think of as anime to very often portray females as eyecandy, and moreover that the treshold for sensual dress and (revealing) clothing to be higher than in the west/western animated videos. Guess they use anime for everything and any age-rating group.
 

And this right here gets to the heart of what I was saying in my first reply. It’s tacky and kinda creepy on its own make these anime style female characters look like they’re getting ready to go slutty at the dance club, but the combination of that tackiness while also being marketed to kids is just… ugh. 
 

so I ask again - does everything really need to be similar looking to an incel’s waifu pillow? 

[+DrVenkman]

11 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

That comment was poorly worded, forget it, I already explained my position in other posts much better.

Every comment you make is poorly-rationalized, poorly-supported and usually simply just wrong. Why worry about “poorly-worded” when you have much lower-hanging fruit to harvest.  

 

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Gotta say, this is BY FAR the overall worst quality thread that I have ever seen on AtariAge in over 10 years of active participation. Everyone who reads it probably loses the equivalent of 6-10 IQ points every time they try to follow the convoluted “logic” and bizarre counter-factual, post-truth rationalizations the OP makes to justify his claimed points.

 

[JPF997]

12 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

And this right here gets to the heart of what I was saying in my first reply. It’s tacky and kinda creepy on its own make these anime style female characters look like they’re getting ready to go slutty at the dance club, but the combination of that tackiness while also being marketed to kids is just… ugh. 
 

These games aren't targeted towards children wtf are you talking about?

12 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

so I ask again - does everything really need to be similar looking to an incel’s waifu pillow? 

The puritanical nature of Americans never ceases to amaze me, you can have games like Doom and Dead Space that show ludicrous amounts of gore and violence but if the characters in a Jrpg or a fighting game dare to show off a bit of skin then the cries for censorship begin.

Edited Wednesday at 07:25 PM by JPF997

[+Fred_M]

2 hours ago, JPF997 said:

Anime was already popular in the 80s, infact many of the  all time great  anime  shows and movies came out  during this era, such as the  Universal Century Gundam shows, Fist of the North Star, the original Dragon Ball, the original Macross ( the good one ) and Akira.

Hmmm, as an 80s kid I have never seen or heard of any of these shows.

 

I watched a.o. Transformers, Inspector Gadget, He-man and the masters of the universe, Scooby-Doo, the Flintstones, Mask and other cartoons. I don't remember seeing anime in the 80s.

[+Fred_M]

8 minutes ago, DrVenkman said:

Gotta say, this is BY FAR the overall worst quality thread that I have ever seen on AtariAge in over 10 years of active participation. Everyone who reads it probably loses the equivalent of 6-10 IQ points every time they try to follow the convoluted “logic” and bizarre counter-factual, post-truth rationalizations the OP makes to justify his claimed points.

 

Agreed, but we are still reading and contributing to this non-topic 😂🤣😂

[John Stamos Mullet]

Just now, Fred_M said:

Hmmm, as an 80s kid I have never seen or heard of any of these shows.

 

I watched a.o. Transformers, Inspector Gadget, He-man and the masters of the universe, Scooby-Doo, the Flintstones, Mask and other cartoons. I don't remember seeing anime in the 80s.

I vaguely remember seeing Battle of the Planets (and never understood why they were flying a boat in space) on syndicated local UHF afternoon cartoon blocks, but never on any of the major networks during Saturday morning cartoons.

 

 

[phoenixdownita]

23 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

These games aren't targeted towards children wtf are you talking about?

The puritanical nature of Americans never ceases to amaze me, you can have games like Doom and Dead Space that show ludicrous amounts of gore and violence but if the characters in a Jrpg or a fighting game dare to show off a bit of skin then the cries for censorship begin.

If the skin is of a minor/underage then yes … and please tell me you understand this simple point.

There is no space for pedophilia or innuendos about it … do not sexualize minors, do not perform “fan” service to underwear peepers, no crotch shots involving minors either, it’s really that simple hence why his own life story 100% explains his fervor and staunch defense of such simple concept …. even I got it.

Edited Wednesday at 07:46 PM by phoenixdownita

[+Fred_M]

5 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

I vaguely remember seeing Battle of the Planets (and never understood why they were flying a boat in space) on syndicated local UHF afternoon cartoon blocks, but never on any of the major networks during Saturday morning cartoons.

 

 

Never heard of it, but maybe it was not broadcasted on European TV channels. Anyway, I don't think anime was that popular in the 80s.

 

This is what Wikipedia has to say. It seems that the American adaptation was a bit differento to its original counterpart.

 

"Battle of the Planets is an American adaptation of the Japanese anime series Science Ninja Team Gatchaman (1972).[2] Of the 105 original Gatchaman episodes, 85 were used in the Battle of the Planets adaptation, produced by Sandy Frank Entertainment.[3] The adaptation was generally faithful to the plot and character development of the original Gatchaman series, but significant additions and reductions were made in order to increase appeal to the North American television market of the late 1970s, as well as avoid controversy from parents; these included the removal of elements of graphic violence and profanity.[4]"

[John Stamos Mullet]

12 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

These games aren't targeted towards children wtf are you talking about?

The puritanical nature of Americans never ceases to amaze me, you can have games like Doom and Dead Space that show ludicrous amounts of gore and violence but if the characters in a Jrpg or a fighting game dare to show off a bit of skin then the cries for censorship begin.

They’re cartoons. 
 

cartoons and video games are marketed primarily to 8-15 year olds
 

why do cartoons characters marketed to kids need to be “sexy”? 

Edited Wednesday at 07:35 PM by John Stamos Mullet

[JPF997]

9 minutes ago, DrVenkman said:

Every comment you make is poorly-rationalized, poorly-supported and usually simply just wrong. Why worry about “poorly-worded” when you have much lower-hanging fruit to harvest.  

 

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Gotta say, this is BY FAR the overall worst quality thread that I have ever seen on AtariAge in over 10 years of active participation. Everyone who reads it probably loses the equivalent of 6-10 IQ points every time they try to follow the convoluted “logic” and bizarre counter-factual, post-truth rationalizations the OP makes to justify his claimed points.

 

New Atari Age user  ( relative to most others here ) dares to challenge pre established narratives on certain topics by sharing their own  takes on said topics .

 

Reaction from an older user : OMG 😱 this is the worst thread ever in Atari Age history anyone who reads it has lost 10 IQ point lol I'm so smart 🤓 for making this epic takedown.

 

[+DrVenkman]

Just now, JPF997 said:

New Atari Age user  ( relative to most others here ) dares to challenge pre established narratives on certain topics by sharing their own  takes on said topics .

 

Reaction from an older user : OMG 😱 this is the worst thread ever in Atari Age history anyone who reads it has lost 10 IQ point lol I'm so smart 🤓 for making this epic takedown.

 

You’re not “daring to challenge pre established narratives” - your NUMEROUS threads and dozens upon dozens of comments are not nearly that heroic, intellectually supportable or ground-breaking in any way. Rather, you’re posting ever-more idiotic nonsense spun up out of your overworked imagination, working feverishly to try to support your multiple terrible misapprehensions of objective reality. Give it a rest. You’re just wrong.

[JPF997]

1 minute ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

They’re cartoons. 
 

 What does that have to do with anything? Are you really going to tell me that all anime  are marketed to younger audiences?

1 minute ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

cartoons and video games are marketed primarily to 8-15 year olds
 

Oh no you actually went there... are you really going to tell me with a straight face that anime like Monster, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Hellsing Ultimate, Darker than Black and many others are marketed towards children just because they're "cartoons" ?

1 minute ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

why do cartoons characters marketed to kids need to be “sexy”? 

The ones that have sexy characters are not marketed towards children, they marketed towards teenage and adult audiences, case closed.

[John Stamos Mullet]

4 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

New Atari Age user  ( relative to most others here ) dares to challenge pre established narratives on certain topics by sharing their own  takes on said topics .

 

Reaction from an older user : OMG 😱 this is the worst thread ever in Atari Age history anyone who reads it has lost 10 IQ point lol I'm so smart 🤓 for making this epic takedown.

 

[+Fred_M]

18 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

New Atari Age user  ( relative to most others here ) dares to challenge pre established narratives on certain topics by sharing their own  takes on said topics .

 

Reaction from an older user : OMG 😱 this is the worst thread ever in Atari Age history anyone who reads it has lost 10 IQ point lol I'm so smart 🤓 for making this epic takedown.

 

That is complete b*llsh*t. Every AtariAge member that is spreading lies will receive opinions from other members. It does not matter how long someone has been a member of AtariAge.

 

I am starting to think that you are enjoying this a little bit too much.

[Austin]

38 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

That comment was poorly worded, forget it, I already explained my position in other posts much better.

That was only one example in what is likely 843 others. 🤷‍♂️

[John Stamos Mullet]

8 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

 

Oh no you actually went there... are you really going to tell me with a straight face that anime like Monster, Legend of the Galactic Heroes, Hellsing Ultimate, Darker than Black and many others are marketed towards children just because they're "cartoons"?

I have literally never heard of any of these shows.

 

you know, for a guy who originally tried to claim you weren’t into that stuff, you sure seem to know an awful lot about it.

[phoenixdownita]

12 minutes ago, JPF997 said:

The ones that have sexy characters are not marketed towards children, they marketed towards teenage and adult audiences, case closed.

If the sexy character is depicted as a minor it is wrong … I hope we agree on this.

[+Fred_M]

6 minutes ago, phoenixdownita said:

If the sexy character is depicted as a minor it is wrong … I hope we agree on this.

Agreed! I looked up Hellsing Ultimate on IMDB and read some of the warnings. I will not state them here, but it is certainly not a kids cartoon. I think even for adults it is not something I would watch. I really hope Atari is NOT "embracing" this.

 

If people are curious, here is the link to IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0495212/parentalguide/

[phoenixdownita]

1 minute ago, Fred_M said:

Agreed! I looked up Hellsing Ultimate on IMDB and read some of the warnings. I will not state them here, but it is certainly not a kids cartoon. I think even for adults it is not something I would watch.

 

If people are curious, here is the link to IMDB: https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0495212/parentalguide/

I believe it’s rated MA … as to the content allowed in MA movies in US I am not sure so  I won’t comment on it.

[JPF997]

15 minutes ago, phoenixdownita said:

If the sexy character is depicted as a minor it is wrong … I hope we agree on this.

Of course I agree with this

[JPF997]

38 minutes ago, John Stamos Mullet said:

I have literally never heard of any of these shows.

 

you know, for a guy who originally tried to claim you weren’t into that stuff, you sure seem to know an awful lot about it.

I do enjoy a good anime, I never said otherwise, unfortunately  you seem to think that anime is either just cartoons for kids  or pornography of the worst kind, it's obvious you haven't watched any of the all time great anime shows yet.

 

Here's a quick list of shows worth watching:

 

Jin-Roh ( 1999 film )

 

Gundam the  08th MS Team

 

Cyberpunk Edgerunners 

 

Gundam  The Origin

 

Code Geass

 

Gurren Lagann

 

Legend of the Galactic Heroes ( seriously this anime is something everyone should watch, it's Stars Wars if Star Wars was actually well written )

 

Eureka Seven 

 

Darker than Black 

 

Black Lagoon

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited Wednesday at 08:29 PM by JPF997

[Lord Mushroom]

5 hours ago, Sauron said:

Still beating that drum even though you've already been proven wrong. You should bow out of this thread before you humiliate yourself even more.

 

The logo looks like most mountains, not just Mount Fuji. Take a look at this mountain, and tell me which one it is:

 

 

Looks kinda like the Fuji logo too, doesn't it?

Mount Fuji is a lot smoother, and thus looks a lot more like the Atari logo:

[+Sauron]

5 minutes ago, Lord Mushroom said:

Mount Fuji is a lot smoother, and thus looks a lot more like the Atari logo:

That's some pretty extreme nitpicking. 

 

[phoenixdownita]

10 minutes ago, Sauron said:

That's some pretty extreme nitpicking. 

 

You are not wrong.
 

When we chose the Fuji logo, I wanted it to be an upward swoosh. It's a collective. It's aspirational. So right now it would be good to take the innovation legacy and push it forward into the future," Atari founder Nolan Bushnell said in a recent 50th Anniversary video.

Bushnell also confirms that Atari's original name was Syzygy.

George Opperman, who created the Atari Fuji logo, said the logo really had nothing to do with Japan's famous mountain. Instead, the logo was meant to look like the letter A, or represent a Pong board.

Read more: https://www.tweaktown.com/news/87110/atari-founder-nolan-bushnell-explains-the-iconic-logos-meaning/index.html