Chris Leach Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Looks like I made up the payment received thing all along? Dec 18, 2010 Payment From ######## CompletedChoose action1Print shipping label Add Tracking Info Mark as shipped Issue Refund $48.00 USD So...if anyone is interested in anything I have listed in the marketplace, please feel free to take this opportunity to get a great deal on a new or used video game......check my sales thread and offer a trade! I'm not here to get bashed by deals gone good, but I like making it happen.... Merry Christmas and may your spirits be brighter this year than last! [sidenote] the RCA will be shipping the first part of the week...your tracking info will be noted and a friendly pm sent to ya.... Maybe I should change my words there to YGTBFKM! can this thread be locked now and may everyone note the positive words of encouragement that were left in my feedback thread from this member reflect no marketplace transaction whatsoever? Do I leave negative feedback for him now? How...dare I? What makes it right? Could I leave negative feedback to every individual that ever asked me for a price inquiry and we never made a deal? This is ridiculous! AX! If you are out there..I think you owe me some negative feedbacks for that one thing I never bought from you but talked to you about and then we made no deal what so ever to actually be leaving feedback about, but it happened theoretically so ......?????? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. It is not a matter of the cash it is a matter of principal, in no way was there a concrete deal, however, Chris, here was your message to me: "User is online Chris Leach Icon Ive got the system and the hook up s and all the paperwork...and these games: TV school house I (manual...no box) Blackjack Blackjack Fun with numbers Baseball Math Fun Fun with numbers Space War Tennis/squash Tennis/squash make me a deal for the whole thing and you got a deal..... chris" Made you an offer just a short time later, I find it interesting that on the precise day, after it has been up for 4 Months I make an offer it is sold. The dollar amount is insignificant the point is your wordage and verbiage. I am not whining at all, I have enough stuff around the house, but, your word choice is poor and the way in which you responded was poor, when you email me stuff like this, you should have come back to me with a counter. It can be overwhelming when you are a seller, but, keep the emails in order, and dont respond with a 'thanks it's sold'. Look, if you had given me a number, and your paypal info, in the FIRST COMMUNICATION it would have been sold, it is not like you did and I did not pay you. You were holding out to see if I would offer better than the other member and when I didnt- oops it's sold! and FYI none of those posts you posted are mine as you note to make your point, you are more than welcome to post the ones I sent! "You ever see something you want and then cant afford it? Well, it happens.....I let this go for $48 with shipping...thats my business and someone got a great deal! Should I back out and take the $100 offer? Sure, I should back out and take the more money who wouldnt, but Im not that guy! I made a deal with a person that closed the deal. There was no deal with this member and will never be another deal with this member!" But, didnt you? Chris already responded to you, didn't you read it? My post was obsolete by the time you answered it. On the one hand I think it is kind of funny you are not letting this go but then I remembered something similar with some Genesis games where something like this actually Happened to Chris where HE was the buyer... http://www.atariage.com/forums/topic/157630-big-sega-genesismega-drive-rpg-lot-fs/page__p__1934554__hl__rpg%20lot__fromsearch__1#entry1934554 Not the same exact thing, but similar and he didn't let it go either so...... The bottom line is you guys are both whiny babies 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. Oh and Chris, why should this post be locked? If I am the one in the wrong? Negative feedback was left, because you were not dealing honestly. Growing up I knew people who said one thing and did another, and I hated it. Perhaps you have now been put on notice and be a little more cautious in your dealings, and re-read what you say before you send it, and disclose all the facts before you email. Pardon the pun, but, you played games! And you were not dealing in good faith I dont like that, and I am sure you wouldnt either. End of story... Edited December 19, 2010 by Coleco Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I, myself was in the entertainment business hiring out acts, from booths across the way from people like Gladys Knight, Garth Brooks, etc., and was very successful at it for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I have a reputation for honesty in business no matter if it is online or in person, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. He has no complaints about shipping or payment from others, my complaint is more of in the dealing process, and he obviously can't stand a critique though true, and does not respond to my specific situation, but, rather posts up what other members have pm'ed him, to make you think I was like that, instead of posting up what I actually said. Edited December 19, 2010 by Coleco Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregadetH Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 I guess in your world posting "End of story..." means you'll continue to whine over something like a jilted lover. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Sounds like just some bad timing. Nothing to get all upset over, just move on. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch No it is ethics, I can find 10 more right now, I honestly do not care. But, I do care about the honesty, it is funny how Chris was dealing with that other guy and the same thing happened to him that he did to me! Edited December 19, 2010 by Coleco Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboypacman Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Chris is my friend sure but this seems like a lot of ruckus over a RCA Studio II and I still feel from what i seen is a matter of miscommunication between Chris and Coleco Gemini. Coleco Gemini i hate to say this but you are coming off like your a little "Sour Grapes" about the whole thing too and i know you are upset but venting out here on the forum doesn't do your reputation well on here sometimes. I have told this Chris in the past before too so am not just aiming at you Coleco but as a general rule you try and deal with things nicely and in private before you go dragging it out into the forum. What has happen here is something far less worse then someone selling you a broken system or game or even on the worse side stealing your money. Sometimes you just have to let something like this go which is hard thing to do i know and am sure you can find another RCA Studio II at some point and maybe at the price you wanted to spend or even cheaper. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GregadetH Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch Haha...two thumbs up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 How can you [Coleco Gemini] prove that he [Chris] was ethically wrong though? Let's assume that the other buyer did pay right after your PM, and the items were sold to him. What if Chris had told the other guy at that point, "sorry, but I was talking to this other guy [that's you Coleco Gemini], and even though you just paid, I have to refund and see if I can work it out with the other guy." Then how could you say he was acting ethically? He would be being far more rude to the other guy than he was to you. I agree that his wording probably could have been a little better, or more specific than it was, but so far as I can tell, that was the only issue. Other than that, it was bad timing. And as for the potential communication confusion, I think Chris's communication is quite a bit better than many people here and on other forums that I've communicated with. Some are barely intelligible. So, I'd say it was just an issue of possibly slightly unfortunate communication combined with bad timing. Again, nothing to get upset over, just move along and find a different unit and be done with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-topdog Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 ]Well, Good morning to everyone out there in AA land! Good morning Chris! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboypacman Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch No it is ethics, I can find 10 more right now, I honestly do not care. But, I do care about the honesty, it is funny how Chris was dealing with that other guy and the same thing happened to him that he did to me! And you do realize to that these marketplace forums can be like the "Wild West" too at times i hate to say and sometimes ethics can be thrown out the door when it comes with dealing with people here. There are some really good people here on AtariAge but sometimes things don't work out the way they should or the way you want. I have had few things go bad for me here too in the past but for the most part all my trades/buys and sales when i was doing them were very good. Again miscommunications happens as does people doing business and doing business is about getting the best deal and if something better comes along people who are in that frame of mind of profit which is not everyone but those who do sell items for a living or often go with the best deal its the bad side of human nature. Good luck and let us know if you get another RCA Studio II and how your students like it. Edited December 19, 2010 by jboypacman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 How can you [Coleco Gemini] prove that he [Chris] was ethically wrong though? Let's assume that the other buyer did pay right after your PM, and the items were sold to him. What if Chris had told the other guy at that point, "sorry, but I was talking to this other guy [that's you Coleco Gemini], and even though you just paid, I have to refund and see if I can work it out with the other guy." Then how could you say he was acting ethically? He would be being far more rude to the other guy than he was to you. I agree that his wording probably could have been a little better, or more specific than it was, but so far as I can tell, that was the only issue. Other than that, it was bad timing. And as for the potential communication confusion, I think Chris's communication is quite a bit better than many people here and on other forums that I've communicated with. Some are barely intelligible. So, I'd say it was just an issue of possibly slightly unfortunate communication combined with bad timing. Again, nothing to get upset over, just move along and find a different unit and be done with it. Then he wasnt dealing in good faith with anyone, me, the person offering he should have said " I have another guy...." and to the person who paid, you should be wary because your dealing was nearing a conclusion of some sort, (by Chris' own definition, when he is down to the end of the deal he supplies a paypal account # and info and he did with this other person) and he was offering it to someone else (me!), as fully available and to make an offer, to sell something that was in the final stages of being sold, what if I had bought it, and the other person paid him? that angle has not been explored either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch No it is ethics, I can find 10 more right now, I honestly do not care. But, I do care about the honesty, it is funny how Chris was dealing with that other guy and the same thing happened to him that he did to me! And you do realize to that these marketplace forums can be like the "Wild West" too at times i hate to say and sometimes ethics can be thrown out the door when it comes with dealing with people here. There are some really good people here on AtariAge but sometimes things don't work out the way they should or the way you want. I have had few things go bad for me here too in the past but for the most part all my trades/buys and sales when i was doing them were very good. Again miscommunications happens as does people doing business and doing business is about getting the best deal and if something better comes along people who are in that frame of mind of profit which is not everyone but those who do sell items for a living or often go with the best deal its the bad side of human nature. Good luck and let us know if you get another RCA Studio II and how your students like it. Thanks! They loved the 2600 and hated the Intellivision with the intellivoice! I am looking for a few others, we have burned through many of my systems, hence I am looking for more, like the Panasonic CDI, 3DO, Sega Saturn, Sega CD, any of the early machines like Studio II, or pong stuff (I just bought a KMART pong machine in the box!) So, if you guys know of anyone who has these and is reasonable let me know! Chris: You lost my business forever, I may be new here, but, I buy a lot of gaming stuff for myself and my class, I hope in the future your communication will be more concise and much clearer to potential buyers in good faith And to the person who bought the stuff: let me know when you want to sell, and if I dont have one, I will offer you more than what you bought it for from Chris! Edited December 19, 2010 by Coleco Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirage Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Then he wasnt dealing in good faith with anyone, me, the person offering he should have said " I have another guy...." and to the person who paid, you should be wary because your dealing was nearing a conclusion of some sort, (by Chris' own definition, when he is down to the end of the deal he supplies a paypal account # and info and he did with this other person) and he was offering it to someone else (me!), as fully available and to make an offer, to sell something that was in the final stages of being sold, what if I had bought it, and the other person paid him? that angle has not been explored either. I accounted for all that by saying that it's possible (just from what we have been told as outsiders) that his communication could possibly have been a little better. I don't think you're thinking of it from the [actual] buyer's point of view though, plus I don't think you have all of the info. I agree, that sometimes clarity can be better on both the buyer's and the seller's side, but in this case, I don't think it's a big enough deal to make this big of a fuss about it. Keep things in perspective. I would just move on. Like CC said, we have all been there at some point... it just happens. Merry Christmas to you, and better luck in the future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crazy Climber Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Let's play the glad game, we take turns saying something that makes us glad. I'll go first... - The first scissor cut into a fresh piece of Construction paper *anyone else? Any Family Guy fans here? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoKittyNet Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Well a fair amount of drama that I seeme to have accidently partly caused, (I am the one who bought the RCA). I am not sure what exactly what happpened here, but I had inquired about this a few days ago after seeing a post where Chris mentioned he had one. Now, at the time I was not 100 percent sure I would get it, but my paycheck was bigger than anticipated so I sent Chris the money that he said was fair. At no point did I expect him to hold it for me, and if someone else had bought it from under me, well oh well things happen. I bought from Chris because he was a reputable dealer and wanted to started builind up a bit of a reputation here myself, so that people could trust me, and I could buy and sell here as well as on eBay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboypacman Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch No it is ethics, I can find 10 more right now, I honestly do not care. But, I do care about the honesty, it is funny how Chris was dealing with that other guy and the same thing happened to him that he did to me! And you do realize to that these marketplace forums can be like the "Wild West" too at times i hate to say and sometimes ethics can be thrown out the door when it comes with dealing with people here. There are some really good people here on AtariAge but sometimes things don't work out the way they should or the way you want. I have had few things go bad for me here too in the past but for the most part all my trades/buys and sales when i was doing them were very good. Again miscommunications happens as does people doing business and doing business is about getting the best deal and if something better comes along people who are in that frame of mind of profit which is not everyone but those who do sell items for a living or often go with the best deal its the bad side of human nature. Good luck and let us know if you get another RCA Studio II and how your students like it. Thanks! They loved the 2600 and hated the Intellivision with the intellivoice! I am looking for a few others, we have burned through many of my systems, hence I am looking for more, like the Panasonic CDI, 3DO, Sega Saturn, Sega CD, any of the early machines like Studio II, or pong stuff (I just bought a KMART pong machine in the box!) So, if you guys know of anyone who has these and is reasonable let me know! Chris: You lost my business forever, I may be new here, but, I buy a lot of gaming stuff for myself and my class, I hope in the future your communication will be more concise and much clearer to potential buyers in good faith And to the person who bought the stuff: let me know when you want to sell, and if I dont have one, I will offer you more than what you bought it for from Chris! I will keep a eye out for you on those systems you are looking for also my i ask how old are your students? I find it neat that younger kids can enjoy the older things we liked. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariLeaf Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Well a fair amount of drama that I seeme to have accidently partly caused, (I am the one who bought the RCA). I am not sure what exactly what happpened here, but I had inquired about this a few days ago after seeing a post where Chris mentioned he had one. Now, at the time I was not 100 percent sure I would get it, but my paycheck was bigger than anticipated so I sent Chris the money that he said was fair. At no point did I expect him to hold it for me, and if someone else had bought it from under me, well oh well things happen. I bought from Chris because he was a reputable dealer and wanted to started builind up a bit of a reputation here myself, so that people could trust me, and I could buy and sell here as well as on eBay. You shouldn't have to answer about this. You did nothing wrong. Congrats on the new system and I hope you enjoy it. From the videos I've seen its an interesting little piece of video game history 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 Well a fair amount of drama that I seeme to have accidently partly caused, (I am the one who bought the RCA). I am not sure what exactly what happpened here, but I had inquired about this a few days ago after seeing a post where Chris mentioned he had one. Now, at the time I was not 100 percent sure I would get it, but my paycheck was bigger than anticipated so I sent Chris the money that he said was fair. At no point did I expect him to hold it for me, and if someone else had bought it from under me, well oh well things happen. I bought from Chris because he was a reputable dealer and wanted to started builind up a bit of a reputation here myself, so that people could trust me, and I could buy and sell here as well as on eBay. not your fault at all, just some poor communication on his part, as well as not dealing in a straightforward manner with you or I. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jboypacman Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 Well a fair amount of drama that I seeme to have accidently partly caused, (I am the one who bought the RCA). I am not sure what exactly what happpened here, but I had inquired about this a few days ago after seeing a post where Chris mentioned he had one. Now, at the time I was not 100 percent sure I would get it, but my paycheck was bigger than anticipated so I sent Chris the money that he said was fair. At no point did I expect him to hold it for me, and if someone else had bought it from under me, well oh well things happen. I bought from Chris because he was a reputable dealer and wanted to started builind up a bit of a reputation here myself, so that people could trust me, and I could buy and sell here as well as on eBay. These things happen PsychoKitty no worries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coleco Gemini Posted December 19, 2010 Author Share Posted December 19, 2010 (edited) look, I am usually VERY workable, but, when someone says to make any offer, and they will give you a deal and that they want to get rid of it, after 4 months of it being on here, then magically that day they sell it (within an 18 hour period) it is ridiculous. Maybe it is a poor choice of words on his part, and I have given him the benefit of the doubt. But, in the business world and in sales, which I am in and have been in, this kind of thing is unacceptable, you give the person a chance to counter, maybe he would have gotten more? I honestly have no idea what it is worth, but, I know it has a horrible reputation, so, I thought $20 was a good place to start, and after some wheeling and dealing and back and forth you maybe get up up near $40 or $50, and like I said I use them in my school program for my students, so, to me it is worth what it is worth to me, but you give the person you are talking to a chance to counter and not respond, with a "thanks its gone" thing Seriously, what is with people whining and crying about pointless crap lately. Your offer must have sucked to him, weather it was worth it or not, big deal, move on and buy a different one. Oh, you can't find another one for $20? Well, looks like you should have came out the gates with a better offer then Who knows, he might have just blown you off with the "already sold" line but remember this valuable lesson.....when making an offer, start out a little higher than 40% of the price you are willing to pay if you would like to be taken seriously. I have been doing business dealings since, probably before you were born! ..... as a buyer you offer low, seller offers high, you end up with a middle that both are happy with, why would I offer $60, when he could come back with $80? I figured it had been up for months and the system is horrible, and no one wanted it, so, bam, $20. How's that been working for ya For someone who has been doing business dealings for over 35 years you sure don't seem very good at it. The good ones know when to walk away and let it go, you do not, and if you react this way over something you wanted to get for $20 I can only imagine how many car dealerships you have had to be police escorted out of... haha, very funny, actually my grandfather sold cars for over 60 years, and was the top chevy car salesman in the country for many years, I know when to walk away, I just dont like people who dont deal in good faith, when I always do, I pm you about something and we get a price and I say yes, the payment will be there in a few minutes! Literally! With Chris, I was dealing in good faith, he obviously had a million other people he was dealing with too. I guess, it is more of a personal component to business rather than just business, like knowing your potential customers. Look, the real issue is you are just mad you didn't get the stuff, that is usually what it comes down to. Yeah, you can say it was "ethics" and "principle" but the fact is, you are upset you didn't get what you wanted. Especially since it would seem to be a sure thing for you being for sale for 4 months. Don't worry, we ALL feel that way at one time or another weather we like it or not but I find it helps to suppress it deep inside and then totally freak out on my Wife when she drops a plate or something. Yelling at kids cutting across my lawn also works in a pinch No it is ethics, I can find 10 more right now, I honestly do not care. But, I do care about the honesty, it is funny how Chris was dealing with that other guy and the same thing happened to him that he did to me! And you do realize to that these marketplace forums can be like the "Wild West" too at times i hate to say and sometimes ethics can be thrown out the door when it comes with dealing with people here. There are some really good people here on AtariAge but sometimes things don't work out the way they should or the way you want. I have had few things go bad for me here too in the past but for the most part all my trades/buys and sales when i was doing them were very good. Again miscommunications happens as does people doing business and doing business is about getting the best deal and if something better comes along people who are in that frame of mind of profit which is not everyone but those who do sell items for a living or often go with the best deal its the bad side of human nature. Good luck and let us know if you get another RCA Studio II and how your students like it. Thanks! They loved the 2600 and hated the Intellivision with the intellivoice! I am looking for a few others, we have burned through many of my systems, hence I am looking for more, like the Panasonic CDI, 3DO, Sega Saturn, Sega CD, any of the early machines like Studio II, or pong stuff (I just bought a KMART pong machine in the box!) So, if you guys know of anyone who has these and is reasonable let me know! Chris: You lost my business forever, I may be new here, but, I buy a lot of gaming stuff for myself and my class, I hope in the future your communication will be more concise and much clearer to potential buyers in good faith And to the person who bought the stuff: let me know when you want to sell, and if I dont have one, I will offer you more than what you bought it for from Chris! I will keep a eye out for you on those systems you are looking for also my i ask how old are your students? I find it neat that younger kids can enjoy the older things we liked. They are fifth grade, they really love them! I do the 'video game club' twice a week with two different classes in the program. I teach the history of the unit, show them the insides, or pictures of the insides, documents and boxes and the cultural relevance, and what the system would be equivalent to today. and they all get to play the old games. These are kids who thought that the only system ever made was a PS3 or XBOX360, Wii PS2 or Gamecube! I am trying to show them to appreciate what is old, and that the old games are fun too! (and that was all we had back in the day!) Edited December 19, 2010 by Coleco Gemini Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PsychoKittyNet Posted December 19, 2010 Share Posted December 19, 2010 It's no big, it was just interesting, this was my first transaction here and never thought there would be this much fall out, . Coleco, I do hope tou find an RCA though, good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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