walterg74 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Well let me know when I can start working with you, and I'll get it to you however you prefer Ditto! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Besides getting bogged down in discussion on 'how to pay for LTO Flash!', it is kind of an unexpected announcement that it is 'finished'. I've known that for a while, but I kind of thought it would get a big announcement. Some testers already have them. In fact, testers of Defender of the Crown will begin to use LTO Flash! to start testing DOTC in a couple of weeks. Just need to get that manual done, figure out a way to take payment and start shipping. Yay!! 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) Besides getting bogged down in discussion on 'how to pay for LTO Flash!', it is kind of an unexpected announcement that it is 'finished'. I've known that for a while, but I kind of thought it would get a big announcement. Some testers already have them. In fact, testers of Defender of the Crown will begin to use LTO Flash! to start testing DOTC in a couple of weeks. Just need to get that manual done, figure out a way to take payment and start shipping. Yay!! It's not finished until I have manuals and can start shrinkwrapping and shipping these things. I'm not making a big announcement until I'm ready to ship units. Finished means "now shipping." Edited April 28, 2016 by intvnut 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Teams Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I still haven't worked out how I'll receive payment. Maybe Al can do the orders for you? Eduardo at Opcode had issues with PayPal on some recent pre-orders and had to refund most of them. Then he set up an agreement with Al and now the pre-orders are done through the AA store. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 It's not finished until I have manuals and can start shrinkwrapping and shipping these things. I'm not making a big announcement until I'm ready to ship units. Finished means "now shipping." That is why I put quotes around "finished". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Intymike Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 There is no money order from Germany, Western Union transfer is a mess and I don't think I have cheques that you get money with. In the end, I have to send you the money in cash, like the oldest Internet days when I paid my first international Intellivision buys this way. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'd be happy to accept your PayPal money in that case Mike and forward it as a gift to certain people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBuff Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Money order and cheques pretty much exclude all overseas interested buyers which is a shame. So no LTO for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Money order and cheques pretty much exclude all overseas interested buyers which is a shame. So no LTO for me. There is no money order from Germany, Western Union transfer is a mess and I don't think I have cheques that you get money with. In the end, I have to send you the money in cash, like the oldest Internet days when I paid my first international Intellivision buys this way. Like I said, I'll work with everyone that wants one. I'm certain we'll be able to work something out. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 They have a habit of seizing the accounts of people selling flash cartridges. In fact, before I start selling this, I need to make sure to move my "house in California down payment fund" to an account that has never been linked to PayPal, just in case. I thought the problem you had was because you took pre-orders and after a while, some people complained that they hadn't received theirs yet. This resulted in PayPal seizing the funds until all orders were shipped. Wasn't that what happened? If so, just don't do it that way, and sell only when ready to ship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBuff Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Like I said, I'll work with everyone that wants one. I'm certain we'll be able to work something out. That would be great. I think the last time I paid by cheque was in the early ninetees :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfy62 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I thought the problem you had was because you took pre-orders and after a while, some people complained that they hadn't received theirs yet. This resulted in PayPal seizing the funds until all orders were shipped. Wasn't that what happened? If so, just don't do it that way, and sell only when ready to ship. Don't get me started on this DZ, Groovy Bee took many pre-orders for many games to produce his Hive 3 years ago and where is that at this point? Remember Rocketeer, Mars Minis etc.? You know this, and maybe Groovy should use the business model you are asking for to sell when ready to ship. Don't call someone out for what you think they are doing wrong when you already back someone for doing it. Good day sir! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gavvv Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 It's not finished until I have manuals and can start shrinkwrapping and shipping these things. I'm not making a big announcement until I'm ready to ship units. Finished means "now shipping." It's not finished until cmart can smell the shrink-wrapping? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Games For Your Intellivision Posted April 28, 2016 Author Share Posted April 28, 2016 Don't get me started on this DZ, Groovy Bee took many pre-orders for many games to produce his Hive 3 years ago and where is that at this point? Remember Rocketeer, Mars Minis etc.? You know this, and maybe Groovy should use the business model you are asking for to sell when ready to ship. Don't call someone out for what you think they are doing wrong when you already back someone for doing it. Good day sir! To be fair Wolfy, I don't think he was saying that 'taking pre-orders is bad'.....he was saying that he believes that it was the reason that funds were seized by PayPal. I can't speak for INTVnut, but I don't think that was the case. They wanted 'proof of delivery'. I don't think he took money in advance. It was probably because of the sudden influx of funds. This situation however, is different. PayPal has a clear policy against flash cartridges, and you are taking a chance by selling them on PayPal that they will do nasty things. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VectorGamer Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 They have a habit of seizing the accounts of people selling flash cartridges. In fact, before I start selling this, I need to make sure to move my "house in California down payment fund" to an account that has never been linked to PayPal, just in case. Is selling them through the AA store an option? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 https://www.merchantinc.com How about this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
walterg74 Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) That would be great. I think the last time I paid by cheque was in the early ninetees :-) Yeah, that was a tough time.. Imagine having to live with just nine tees... I think it was in the nineties... Edited April 28, 2016 by walterg74 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Special Teams Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Is selling them through the AA store an option? That's what I suggested in post #554. Pre-orders work for Al and Eduardo for games and the SGM and Al uses PayPal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tarzilla Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 https://www.merchantinc.com How about this? https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070603200441AAj1vGp http://www.merchantmaverick.com/reviews/ipayment-review/ Summary:They are a reseller/subsiduary of Ipayment, The second link lists som important fine print like contract length etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+SoulBuster Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 https://www.merchantinc.com How about this? Thanks Rev, I am going to look into that for my website. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 https://ca.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070603200441AAj1vGp http://www.merchantmaverick.com/reviews/ipayment-review/ Summary:They are a reseller/subsiduary of Ipayment, The second link lists som important fine print like contract length etc. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
intvnut Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 (edited) I thought the problem you had was because you took pre-orders and after a while, some people complained that they hadn't received theirs yet. This resulted in PayPal seizing the funds until all orders were shipped. Wasn't that what happened? If so, just don't do it that way, and sell only when ready to ship. The issue with Space Patrol, etc. was indeed that I started accepting orders before I was able to ship. I don't even know if anyone complained, as I was up-front about the fact there would be a delay. I started accepting orders once I had pulled the trigger on manufacturing, and there was going to be a roughly fixed timeline until I'd be able to ship. It was "preorders" in the sense that everyone understood that I couldn't ship that day, but I had burned all the EPROMs, and I was getting boards fabbed, boxes printed, etc. But it ended up screwing up my ability to pay my day to day bills because I'd assumed (incorrectly) that I'd be able to use the incoming funds to offset what I had just paid out for manufacturing. (I don't remember if they clawed back from my checking; however, others have complained that happened to them.) Eventually I recovered because PayPal did unfreeze my account. It was a bad experience, but I recovered because PayPal was ultimately satisfied with proof of delivery. That said, just Google "paypal flashcart" and read any number of posts about PayPal going further and freezing indefinitely for violating their Terms of Service. Proof of delivery doesn't settle that situation. They either force you to refund the money or effectively keep it for themselves. So, if I end up shipping a bunch of units, and then PayPal says "sorry, you will never see this money," that leaves me in a rough position. If they refuse to give the money back to the buyer (because the buyer also violated the TOS), that leaves both of us in a rough position. I'll put it in large print in case you missed it: Space Patrol did not violate PayPal's TOS. Flash carts do. "PayPal also prohibits transactions for devices that allow domestic video game consoles to play back-up or import versions of video games, including mod chips, game enhancers, and boot disks." ROM images == "back-up versions." My direct bad experience with a legitimate use of PayPal has led me to want to avoid a worse experience with a direct violation of their TOS. I can't speak for INTVnut, but I don't think that was the case. They wanted 'proof of delivery'. I don't think he took money in advance. It was probably because of the sudden influx of funds. It was "in advance" in the sense I couldn't ship that day, but rather had aimed at about 3 months later. At one point, I had my incoming boxes held up in customs for something like 6 or 8 weeks. A second, larger shipment of Space Patrol boxes arrived before the first one, by a over month, IIRC. It was something crazy like that. Remember, this was the bad old days where I had to burn all the EPROMs before building everything. The game was "done" the moment I started burning EPROMs, so there wasn't any further development to wait on. Just the purchase and manufacturing of hard goods. But the order-to-ship timeline was above PayPal's (apparently) 30 day threshold. I now budget everything so that I don't count on incoming funds to manufacture everything. I save up, pay out of pocket for everything, and then recoup on the sales. I assume it will take a "long time" to get money from PayPal, in case they freeze my account again. I don't want to get into TOS-violation territory, though, where they freeze me indefinitely and/or force me to refund all the money after I've shipped. Section 16.8 doesn't look pleasant. And to be clear: I'm not against other folks accepting preorders! How others conduct their business is between them and their customers. I personally choose not to do preorders. Anyway, I'm sorry I brought it up before I had worked out what the replacement is. Rest assured I'm working on it. I know for a fact that Chad did not accept PayPal for the Intellicart and CC3, and yet both of those sold out, so I'm sure we can make this work. Edited April 28, 2016 by intvnut 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tarzilla Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hmmm. The comments on the second link are quite enlightening. http://www.merchantmaverick.com/reviews/ipayment-review/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Tarzilla Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 Hmmm. Try this: http://www.merchantmaverick.com/find-merchant-account/ If I was selling games, online payments only(no POS device, not a restaurant etc) I get this: http://www.merchantmaverick.com/reviews/helcim-review/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+BBWW Posted April 28, 2016 Share Posted April 28, 2016 I'm aware of that. I'm just saying I think you might be overthinking the problems with Paypal. They won't know what you are selling. If you call it an LTO Cart in the descriptor for payments you don't have the risk of them caring. Piggy Bank was not a flash cartridge. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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