Andromeda Stardust Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I did attempt to redo Ready, but GO was the only thing that worked in that small space. And the "GO" logo looks a million times better too! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+darryl1970 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 And the "GO" logo looks a million times better too! It is legible, but we are not "going" during the intro music. It looks good, but I don't think ready and go are the same. I'd rather see nothing there. It does look good for what it is though. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102297 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 It is legible, but we are not "going" during the intro music. It looks good, but I don't think ready and go are the same. I'd rather see nothing there. It does look good for what it is though. A proper "ready" logo would require extensive rework of the kernel. Hacking the score display would be doable but look so out of place at the top of the screen. "GO" can easily reuse the fruit sprite routine. I think people are asking too much out of this game. If you want arcade perfect Pacman on your Atari, see also PacManPlus and Pacman 320 for 7800. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102552 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+darryl1970 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 A proper "ready" logo would require extensive rework of the kernel. Hacking the score display would be doable but look so out of place at the top of the screen. "GO" can easily reuse the fruit sprite routine. I think people are asking too much out of this game. If you want arcade perfect Pacman on your Atari, see also PacManPlus and Pacman 320 for 7800. That is not at ALL what I said. I have said in this quote, and one previous, that I would rather have NOTHING! I don't really miss, "Ready!", but placing something totally different in its place is an eyesore to me and makes me note the difference. "Nothing" is not arcade perfect, but "nothing" is way better than "GO" IMO. "GO" is not close to the same meaning as "READY!" "GO" comes AFTER "Get Ready!" and "Get Set", and it doesn't belong in Pac-Man. I hope that clears up the confusion about my opinion in the matter. I am not trying to ask for MORE. I want less. I give credit to the creativity of reusing the fruit though. Good in theory and very creative. Regardless, I am fine with whatever Dintari decides, because this is his work of art. I wouldn't be upset if he disagrees with my opinion. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102577 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) That is not at ALL what I said. I have said in this quote, and one previous, that I would rather have NOTHING! I don't really miss, "Ready!", but placing something totally different in its place is an eyesore to me and makes me note the difference. "Nothing" is not arcade perfect, but "nothing" is way better than "GO" IMO. "GO" is not close to the same meaning as "READY!" "GO" comes AFTER "Get Ready!" and "Get Set", and it doesn't belong in Pac-Man. I hope that clears up the confusion about my opinion in the matter. I am not trying to ask for MORE. I want less. I give credit to the creativity of reusing the fruit though. Good in theory and very creative. Regardless, I am fine with whatever Dintari decides, because this is his work of art. I wouldn't be upset if he disagrees with my opinion. Wake me up, before you GO-GO... Edited October 30, 2014 by stardust4ever 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102585 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+darryl1970 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Now that's vintage Atari music! Lol. Wake me up, before you GO-GO... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That Wham song up seems a little later in the years to me.. as in when my 5200 was already stored under the bed. Now George Bensons "Give me the Night".. THAT was the music that makes me remember when my VCS was king. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Just a fun, whimsical song. I remember hearing that song on Mix 97.3 when they used to do 80s weekends twice a month; good times... at least up until a couple years ago when they changed formats to the new i97 with post-millennial pop/dance, ugg. At least still we've got 98 Rocks that hasn't changed their format in over 30 years. Now whenever I'm in the mood for commercial free 80s pop or classic rock, I just turn on the Sirius/XM to 80s on 8 or Classic Rewind 25. I stared at the GO logo and it was the first song that popped in my head. Edited October 30, 2014 by stardust4ever Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+FujiSkunk Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 NE1 is right. "Wake Me Up before You Go-Go" is way too late for the Atari 2600 and Pac-Man. Under the circumstances, especially given darryl's thoughts on "Go," this is much more appropriate: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ccenFp_3kq8 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Usotsuki Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 My opinion: no, don't use "GO". Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ransom Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Atari and Go don't belong together. 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102616 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigO Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 Atari and Go don't belong together. I see what you did there. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102648 Share on other sites More sharing options...
uNi73 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 a "real" looking Pac-Man, thats awesome! Thumbs up! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102659 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+darryl1970 Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 That Wham song up seems a little later in the years to me.. as in when my 5200 was already stored under the bed. Now George Bensons "Give me the Night".. THAT was the music that makes me remember when my VCS was king. Blasphemy! The 5200 never belonged/belongs under a bed. I played mine for a couple years to follow. It was the most misunderstood, underrated, cheated system ever. That's a whole different thread. I have since been able to set mine back up in the game room! As far as Wham, Wake me up... I guess 1984 was about that time. I thought it was was a little older. The Hall & Oats song does take me back. I remember Private Eyes being the REAL memory jogger. Atari and elementary school roller skating trips (not that I am really that old). I remember the "cool" kids would skate in a circle. The they would clap after "Private Eyes" (clap)(clap) "They're watching you!" lol. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102711 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WildBillTX Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Wake me up, before you GO-GO... This hacks for you: (and I prefer this song) Edited October 31, 2014 by WildBillTX 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102715 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian O Posted October 30, 2014 Share Posted October 30, 2014 I foresee another 5 pages debating "Ready!" vs "GO!" 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
yell0w_lantern Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Wake me up, before you GO-GO... Makes me think of a freak gasoline fight accident. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102827 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NE146 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 Blasphemy! The 5200 never belonged/belongs under a bed. I played mine for a couple years to follow. It was the most misunderstood, underrated, cheated system ever. That's a whole different thread. I have since been able to set mine back up in the game room! dude.. I've told this story maybe 15 years ago on the boards but my mom bought me no less than FOUR extra 5200 controllers total over the years, since they kept biting the dust (e.g. "start" button wouldn't work). So I had six controllers and none I could even play my Joust which I desperately wanted to play. I even got the Wico stick and realized it still needed a start button on a regular stick. It was very traumatizing. So you see, it wasn't by choice Yeah yeah I know all about how to fix them today. I didn't when I was 12 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102848 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+darryl1970 Posted October 31, 2014 Share Posted October 31, 2014 dude.. I've told this story maybe 15 years ago on the boards but my mom bought me no less than FOUR extra 5200 controllers total over the years, since they kept biting the dust (e.g. "start" button wouldn't work). So I had six controllers and none I could even play my Joust which I desperately wanted to play. I even got the Wico stick and realized it still needed a start button on a regular stick. It was very traumatizing. So you see, it wasn't by choice Yeah yeah I know all about how to fix them today. I didn't when I was 12 Let me tell you that my heart truly went out to you when I read that! (I think I remember reading that in the other forum!) That sucks. I was a tinkerer. I had to destroy a ribbon cable in one controller before I learned the secret. It was a shame they were truly unreliable. I didn't think they were bad at all when working. They were expensive though too! $25 a piece was insane back then. (I remember Montgomery Ward eventual had an advertised price for the entire system for $50. I begged Mom to get it, as it would replace both sticks and provide a backup system.) As all of the sticks eventually failed, I realized that placing a piece of metal across the ribbon cable contacts would close the circuit. I also realized that a hole punch was about the same size of the graphite pads on the back of the rubber buttons. (I didn't understand there was graphite on the rubber, and it totally confused me as to HOW that closed the circuit for the button.) I started punching out aluminum foil holes, using a hole punch, and I would super glue them to the rubber circles on the back of all the buttons. After that, I rarely had an issue. A couple times, an aluminum hole punch came unglued and caused an issue, but that was usually a good fix. Later, I bought powdered graphite. I rub it into the rubber pads. That works well, as long as the excess is cleaned off. This lesson actually saved me when my keyless entry remote suffered from the 5200 syndrome. I still had the graphite, and I fixed it as good as new. So, there's a lesson on the magic of graphite. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3102978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DINTAR816 Posted October 31, 2014 Author Share Posted October 31, 2014 Well, I was thinking to add the message "game over", but I think it was very small (much smaller than "ready!" ), So I will not do. I think it could improve the "ready!" using two player, like this: I've got several parts of the code that could be optimized, and could save a total of 25 bytes, with that would reach to improve the "ready". 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3103271 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 Well, I was thinking to add the message "game over", but I think it was very small (much smaller than "ready!" ), So I will not do. I think it could improve the "ready!" using two player, like this: pacman2600_4k_ready.png I've got several parts of the code that could be optimized, and could save a total of 25 bytes, with that would reach to improve the "ready". Are you still planning to expand it to 8k to make it even better? It's already light years better than the previous "4k" edition, but hey, every little bit helps. I hope to own this on cart someday. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3103598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtariBrian Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I played this on my console and noticed it still has that ticking noise in the background . But when I play it on my computer I do not hear it . Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3103692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omegamatrix Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 (edited) I'm no pixel artist, but how does this look? To me the one posted earlier looked like an 'n' more than a 'r'. Edit: And you have a missile and bytes available maybe you could draw the "!" with it, and slide the "y" over so everything is evenly spaced. Edited November 1, 2014 by Omegamatrix 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3103866 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andromeda Stardust Posted November 1, 2014 Share Posted November 1, 2014 I'm no pixel artist, but how does this look? To me the one posted earlier looked like an 'n' more than a 'r'. ready.png The first version was fine IMO. If you can't read the blocky pixels, try taking off your glasses. The fuzziness will actually help. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3103872 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DINTAR816 Posted November 4, 2014 Author Share Posted November 4, 2014 Hi all, I added the "ready!" using both "player", but it took more bytes than I expected, although I could change the "kernel" to save bytes used for that. In this version I use the reg "vblank" to see if that is the cause of "slowdown" that said Albert is happening in your machine. Maybe this could be the latest version of 4K, or at least I get to optimize the code even more and can add other things. pacman2600_4k_rdy_.bin 7 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/229152-new-pacman-for-atari-2600/page/19/#findComment-3106521 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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