Mclaneinc Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 @Lastic and @mimo Have your parts turned up? Just checking as I sent something to the US 2 weeks via Air Mail and its not turned up yet.....Postage world wide seemed utterly borked! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567720 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mimo Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mclaneinc said: @Lastic and @mimo Have your parts turned up? Just checking as I sent something to the US 2 weeks via Air Mail and its not turned up yet.....Postage world wide seemed utterly borked! Hi Paul, I'd just picked my phone up to let you know that the unbricker has just arrived. Many thanks. Please let me have your PayPal address so I can pay for the postage, that was a silly amount! Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lastic Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mclaneinc said: @Lastic and @mimo Have your parts turned up? Just checking as I sent something to the US 2 weeks via Air Mail and its not turned up yet.....Postage world wide seemed utterly borked! Hi Paul, Even tough we are only seperated by a sea, I guess it will show up next week, shipments from the UK usually take 3-4 working days now during the pandemic to arrive in Belgium. Will keep you posted , thanks for your concern and have a nice weekend Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567745 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Hope it drops soon.. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567785 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 12 hours ago, irich2 said: There is also this option, Lotharek's 5-signal SIO Cable This cable isn't an option, it only has five wires and you need six, four connected to SIO and two joined together to tell the AVGCART that the cable is plugged in. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567850 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinadan67 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Mr Robot said: This cable isn't an option, it only has five wires and you need six, four connected to SIO and two joined together to tell the AVGCART that the cable is plugged in. The latter connection could be done with a short wire directly at the plug, there should be no need to have a sixth line to the sio port. I intend to use my spare lotharek cable for that purpose. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567906 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NISMOPC Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 (edited) My cables might finally arrive!! Purchased April 26th from China... 6/18/2020 9:55:00 AM Arrived at the secondary processing center. United States Edited June 20, 2020 by NISMOPC Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Dinadan67 said: The latter connection could be done with a short wire directly at the plug This is true, but as tmp said, maybe a 10K resistor would be better if you do it at that end. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4567951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 This is as far as I got today, turns out I got 20 not 10 of these, I forgot, it's been so long. I'll finish these on Monday. 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568103 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larry Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Now that several folks have done the mod and are hopefully using it, a few questions: Does this mod work with a Quintopus or other multi-SIO adapters (or does the cable need to go directly to the SIO port on the computer?) Can you create (or delete) an ATR from the Atari, or just load and modify the contents of an existing ATR? Overall, how would the ATR functionality compare to the SIO2SD or S-Drives? And maybe an unfair comparison, but how would the functionality compare with APE or RespeQt (for ATR's)? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mclaneinc Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Larry, can't answer the first one although I did order a SIO splitter (lovely kit) on the idea of use the SD-Max and the cart at the same time but since then improvements have been made that mean I didn't need to try the pair together. I guess it depends what the adapters are doing, are they straight through or controlling the SIO ports? You can boot DOS up and if the files on D2: I see no reason why that will not work as normal. The ATR and ATX workings are on going but I've thrown every thing at the cart and when in SIO mode (shift held down) it loads everything that that computer should. I don't use APE or RespeQt but based on loading stuff it performs perfectly inc HSIO (as long as you have apatched OS), other features I'm not aware of on those bits of software. Its also plays very nicely with my SYScheck which I use for multiple OS's and the extra RAM. Sorry about not knowing much about APE etc, I'm not much of a utility person, just a gamer at heart. Take all this under the basis that the firmware is constantly in revision, there's some excellent new features which are appearing as and when tmp has time. I can just say that the cart as it stands it amazing. The only thing that does not work (yet) is multiple ATX booting, with the atr's you can select them with the tab key and number what disk order you want them and swap the disk with the right button, keeping pressing the button cycles through the disks you chose. At the moment you can't do that with ATX files. The cable mod is a game changer to what is already one of the best carts out there. Edited June 21, 2020 by Mclaneinc spelling as per usual...Education, really should have had some. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568442 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 OK what am I doing wrong? I'm trying to set up an SD card with an apt partition and a FAT32 partition. I've done this previously on my 1088XEL XEL-CFIII using the U1mb and built in SDX but I'm trying to do this on an 800XL using just the AVGCART. I formatted an SD card, put the latest firmware files on it, added the SDX and Side loader from here https://atari8.co.uk/firmware/avg/, booted, pressed Shift+Ctrl+S to turn on side mode, ran s2sdx and tried fdisk at which point I discover no fdisk. Get fdisk.com from the latest toolkit.adf and put it on the sd card. Back to the atari boot up the AVGCART select s2loader and run fdisk. Try to open the disk I get a "no APT device" error message. Where am I going wrong? I'm expecting to load fdisk into memory, trash the SD card when I create a APT and FAT partiton and then put files back on the fat partition again. Fdisk just doesn't seem to know the disk is there, even though I loaded fdisk from the disk. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568704 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 1. shift-ctrl-s enables automatic side mode on powerup (basically equivalent to holding right button), its only use is if you have u1mb installed and you prefer to boot to internal sdx or autorun side loader (from u1mb) instead of going to avgcart menu in this scenario, don't use it, just run s2sdx.car, it will enable side emulation automatically 2. sdx supports only fat16 partitions so if you plan to run anything from sd card (e.g. fdisk, via side emulation), use that 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568714 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roydea6 Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 On 6/19/2020 at 9:54 PM, Mr Robot said: I got ready made cables from aliexpress just like I said. Mine are 250mm long enough for XL seek and ye shall find @mrrobot do you have a link to this cable & does it come with the piece that gets soldered to the cart pcb. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568719 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, tmp said: 1. shift-ctrl-s enables automatic side mode on powerup (basically equivalent to holding right button), its only use is if you have u1mb installed and you prefer to boot to internal sdx or autorun side loader (from u1mb) instead of going to avgcart menu in this scenario, don't use it, just run s2sdx.car, it will enable side emulation automatically 2. sdx supports only fat16 partitions so if you plan to run anything from sd card (e.g. fdisk, via side emulation), use that I enabled cart mode more as a double safety measure than anything, I was booting, hitting the right button and then reset to get to the cart menu and running sdx so enabling/disabling/enabling again. it was unnecessary but it made sure ide mode was enabled. SDX couldn't see the fdisk.com on the disk because its fat32 (that was expected) but fdisk isn't on the car: device either. Running the s2loader (boot->right button->reset->s2loader->fdisk.com) or (boot->right button->reset->s2sdx->"car"->fdisk.com) both of which were enabling ide mode when launched, whether I'd enabled it with shift+ctrl+s or not, allowed me to see the disk and launch fdisk but fdisk then says it couldn't see the apt device. on the XEL if I run fdisk I can see the CF device even if it contains only a fat32 partition, if i wanted I could then initialise the CF device to create the apt partition, that's how I set up my XEL. On the AVG it's saying no device at all. I think maybe @flashjazzcat is disabling fdisk from performing any actions on the device it's run from or something like that. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568775 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 1 hour ago, Roydea6 said: @mrrobot do you have a link to this cable & does it come with the piece that gets soldered to the cart pcb. https://www.aliexpress.com/item/4000588613081.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.20164c4dVqHhDg https://www.aliexpress.com/item/33051405214.html?spm=a2g0s.9042311.0.0.20164c4dVqHhDg the connectors come 20 per lot so I ordered 2 lots of the cable assy's to match. 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 24 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: I think maybe @flashjazzcat is disabling fdisk from performing any actions on the device it's run from or something like that No, I'm not. FDISK will recognize any IDE device whose driver supports APT. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568801 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 20 minutes ago, Mr Robot said: I enabled cart mode more as a double safety measure than anything, I was booting, hitting the right button and then reset to get to the cart menu and running sdx so enabling/disabling/enabling again. it was unnecessary but it made sure ide mode was enabled. SDX couldn't see the fdisk.com on the disk because its fat32 but fdisk isn't on car: either. Running the s2loader (boot->right button->reset->s2loader->fdisk.com) or (boot->right button->reset->s2sdx->"car"->fdisk.com) both of which were enabling ide mode when launched, whether I'd enabled it with shift+ctrl+s or not, allowed me to see the disk and launch fdisk but fdisk then says it couldn't see the apt device. not apt partition, apt device. on the XEL if I run fdisk I can see the CF device even if it contains only a fat32 partition, if i wanted I could then initialise the CF device to create the apt partition, on the AVG it's saying no device at all. I think maybe @flashjazzcat is disabling fdisk from performing any actions on the device it's run from or something like that. i just downloaded latest s2sdx3.car from fjc's site and fdisk seems to be included on CAR: running fdisk from s2loader3.car doesn't work because it most likely uses some api to enumerate devices that is provided by sdx (just a speculation, fjc will clarify) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568802 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 10 minutes ago, tmp said: fjc will clarify Yes: if there's no driver, FDISK won't find any device (it's totally hardware abstracted). You'd need the U1MB's PBI BIOS to run FDISK from the loader. If using SIDE.SYS, you must run it from the SDX command line. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 OK so I've no idea what version of s2sdx I was trying. I could have sworn it was the one from jons site but I just grabbed that and it does indeed contain fdisk. trying to run it gives me a memlo to high error Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568809 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) what do I have to do to enable that @flashjazzcat I know rtfm! typing side.sys at the sdx prompt locks the atari up Edited June 21, 2020 by Mr Robot tried stuff Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 you don't need to load side.sys, that's being loaded on sdx startup your current issue is that 64kb is not enough for sdx+fdisk and i'm not sure whether there's a solution for that Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
flashjazzcat Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, tmp said: i'm not sure whether there's a solution for that More RAM. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Robot Posted June 21, 2020 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Yeah I just disabled PBI on my XEL, enabled carts, booted the AVG ran s2sdx3 ran fdisk, initialized, partitioned and created 16x65535 partitions and wrote the disk. It all worked perfectly as expected. So no partitioning your AVGCart disk unless you have a memory expansion. Should I be able to do it with a stock 130XE? That limits the usefulness of the side emulation to just the s2loader for a stock XL if you have no other machine to set it up on. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568826 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmp Posted June 21, 2020 Author Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) i hexedited the s2dx3.car to change config.sys (in my usual "i have no idea what i'm doing but let's try and see" fashion), it now seems to load fdisk on stock 64kb but i haven't tried to go through the whole partitioning procedure let me know whether that works and also don't use it for anything else but running fdisk (on stock machines) s2sdx3_fdisk.zip Edited June 21, 2020 by tmp 4 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/278212-avgcart/page/42/#findComment-4568837 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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