leech Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 On 5/30/2021 at 4:00 PM, Shaggy the Atarian said: Doesn't the VCS require a bunch of personal info to make an account, email included, and then stores all that data in an easy-to-find, unencrypted file? Not sure how Linux or Atari wins a point there. Ha, that's on Atari. Pretty sure I mentioned their store is currently garbage and needed to be fixed (haven't checked in months, so not sure if they fixed it or not). They finally convinced me to create one of those temp cc card things though. On 5/30/2021 at 2:39 PM, jerseystyle said: I guarantee you that the average consumer doesn’t care about at least 4 of those 5 points listed. I don’t even get what three of them are. No one is gonna buy the VCS because of “telemetry” issues with Windows 10. Why are you even talking about this, other than to give people on here another example of the contortions VCS “fans” are putting themselves through to create relevancy. If you like the VCS (it’s okay to like it!) then great, but honestly no one else is going to care if they don’t already. I do like the VCS. My dislike for Microsoft goes back as far as the Win95 days, when I spent 100 bucks (I had a crap job at the time) on the Microsoft Home Essentials, as I needed a word processor, and they were not selling Word by itself. Then within a month, they released Office '97, and offered zero upgrade options. Basically just almost immediately deprecating the 100 dollars worth of software. Though I should thank them, I no longer have a crap job because of their bland interface, lack of caring about supporting some older stuff, I ended up learning Linux and loved it! The point isn't that people are going to buy the VCS because of Telemetry issues in Windows, they may install Linux on it as a little extra computer, because Windows 10 license costs money, and Linux doesn't have Telemetry Unless you really want it to, in which case there are things like the popularity contest of packages that Debian uses, for example. But I mean that literally just tells them which packages people install so they can know better what to put priority to bug fix, but the option is off by default.) You've contorted my point. My point was that there are reasons why you would install Linux on the system instead of Windows 10. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865238 Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots.genoa Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 9 hours ago, godslabrat said: It has it, but Moms have such trouble figuring it out. At least she won't have to figure it out on Switch. ? 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865263 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 10 hours ago, Jinks said: The VCS is not anywhere close to the same market from what I understand. Uh what? Atari just opened a mega chip-factory in China and also tried to buy Nintendo. Was there a time paradox event in Canada recently? 7 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865268 Share on other sites More sharing options...
digdugnate Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 2 hours ago, roots.genoa said: At least she won't have to figure it out on Switch. ? That'll keep her away from the Porns! 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinks Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 10 hours ago, CPUWIZ said: Uh what? Atari just opened a mega chip-factory in China and also tried to buy Nintendo. Was there a time paradox event in Canada recently? I was trying to be not too offensive. This VCS is kid glove territory from what I understand. Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865545 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 "Kid glove territory" alone should be enough of a red flag to avoid the thing, IMHO. 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPUWIZ Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 41 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said: "Kid glove territory" alone should be enough of a red flag to avoid the thing, IMHO. Yep, sounds Catholic. 6 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865601 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted July 17, 2021 Share Posted July 17, 2021 That could be their new niche. Re-make Red Sea Crossing, Arkaeology, whatever those NES bible games were. It's a better idea than whatever their current thinking is (is there even any current thinking)? 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4865637 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted July 19, 2021 Author Share Posted July 19, 2021 Finally got the chance to play with a Retro Pie while on vacation and have to say that anyone who thinks it is an equivalent experience to buying a VCS is on crack. Was cool, but generally okay-ish emulation and a terrible user experience, not to mention the actual work and hassle to get it going. 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4866911 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 While I can't compare it to the vcs, I do have retropie in an arcade1up cabinet and had no issues with setup or gameplay. Also, I am not on crack. 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4867062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted July 19, 2021 Share Posted July 19, 2021 4 hours ago, Mockduck said: Finally got the chance to play with a Retro Pie while on vacation and have to say that anyone who thinks it is an equivalent experience to buying a VCS is on crack. Was cool, but generally okay-ish emulation and a terrible user experience, not to mention the actual work and hassle to get it going. Have to admit that I've never been a fan of RetroPie either. It promises a lot, but what it takes to get it even partially-working is ridiculous. A lot of the backend stuff is appalling, too - half-assedly backported drivers in MAME, DAPHNE is ancient and buggy, etc. If only as much effort had been put into the core parts of the platform as the UI received. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4867120 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 I've been using RetroPie for a few years and it's a heck of a lot better than it used to be. The main limitation is the quality of the LibRetro cores, and that's an issue with RetroArch generally; you're all right with mainstream consoles like the VCS, SNES, PlayStation, etc. but the more modern and obscure systems can be pretty awful compared to dedicated emulators, and you're choosing between a selection of ancient MAME forks on actual Pi hardware. The main positive is that EmulationStation is a really nice front end once you've got it configured. Well, it is if you use a keyboard at least. I'm not sure how I'd go on it with just a controller. Lakka, Batocera and especially Recalbox are alternatives that do basically the same thing and are much easier to set up if it's too much of a struggle. They'll all give you the same limitations with RetroArch though. 2 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4867184 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+x=usr(1536) Posted July 20, 2021 Share Posted July 20, 2021 41 minutes ago, Matt_B said: The main limitation is the quality of the LibRetro cores, and that's an issue with RetroArch generally Additionally, both libretro and RetroArch have done some things in the direction of emulator authors and contributors (MAME in particular) that I find unethical and, as such, unacceptable. It's not really something I want to derail this thread with, but suffice to say that the information is publically-available. 45 minutes ago, Matt_B said: choosing between a selection of ancient MAME forks on actual Pi hardware Yup. This is precisely what I was referring to with my "half-assedly backported drivers in MAME" comment. 47 minutes ago, Matt_B said: The main positive is that EmulationStation is a really nice front end once you've got it configured. Agreed. It's just unfortunate that it's the shine on the RetroPie turd. 48 minutes ago, Matt_B said: Lakka, Batocera and especially Recalbox are alternatives that do basically the same thing and are much easier to set up if it's too much of a struggle. They'll all give you the same limitations with RetroArch though. Yup. FWIW, a lot of this comes out of my frustrations with setting up RetroPie in a dedicated DAPHNE cabinet. It ended up being a lot easier to build QMC2 from scratch (on an RPi 3B, so not exactly a quick build), set it as the default window manager, and use that for the laserdisc games. 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4867213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saldo Posted July 21, 2021 Share Posted July 21, 2021 On 7/17/2021 at 4:49 PM, CPUWIZ said: Yep, sounds Catholic. I call foul! Religious dig, CPUWIZ moderate yourself!!! LOL! ? 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4867889 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 When is @The Historian gonna cough up them deets? The tea must be spilled! 6 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 Maybe Atari got to him just before the NDA ran out and persuaded him to sign another one? ? 3 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cebus Capucinis Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 49 minutes ago, Matt_B said: Maybe Atari got to him just before the NDA ran out and persuaded him to sign another one? ? Or got to him and did worse... 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869254 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 11 minutes ago, Cebus Capucinis said: Or got to him and did worse... No way. Atari didn't kill him. First of all, they can't do anything themselves, they'd have to outsource it. And hitmen don't sue you when you refuse to pay, you just become an extra client. 1 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
leech Posted July 23, 2021 Share Posted July 23, 2021 13 minutes ago, godslabrat said: No way. Atari didn't kill him. First of all, they can't do anything themselves, they'd have to outsource it. And hitmen don't sue you when you refuse to pay, you just become an extra client. "I am not only the president of Hitmen for Hire, I'm also a target." BLAM! 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869269 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mockduck Posted July 23, 2021 Author Share Posted July 23, 2021 15 hours ago, Cebus Capucinis said: When is @The Historian gonna cough up them deets? The tea must be spilled! Agreed! Given how much people love to dunk on Atari on the boards here you'd think they would jump at the chance at the first opportunity. Starting to wonder if it was a fake flex or something... Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4869608 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jerseystyle Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 I don’t see anything being released, and no one in media is talking about it. No buzz, not even from Atari. What happened to all the people who said that this would compete in store with Switch and Microsoft? The Netflix moms? For those who bought it, do you feel a bit ill used by Atari seemingly dropping support already? 2 2 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4870858 Share on other sites More sharing options...
toiletunes Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4870871 Share on other sites More sharing options...
godslabrat Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 The word "doornail" comes to mind. 4 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4870878 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Draxxon Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 D.O.A. 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4870891 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Stephen Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 Never nice to say "I told you so", so I won't I guess it's the fault of all us haters that doomed it. 2 5 Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/327296-the-atari-vcs-controversies-thread/page/148/#findComment-4870930 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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