Intellivision Amico’s trademark changed to ‘abandoned’

[mr_me]

1 hour ago, MattPilz said:

Internet wouldn't be, but the tedium of having to continuously put an RFID card up to it just to play it if you're offline takes away a lot of the convenience (and takes me back to the Hyperscan days, which was a novelty that wore off real quick when you had to scan cards just to play). People who bought the physical sets would be compelled to buy the digital too just so they didn't have to deal with that but then you'd lose out on the box edition exclusives that'd show on screen. I think the process seems overly complicated in general.

 

I think that many startups and small operations don't bother with patents because of the cost associated with it. The risk they run is someone else stealing their ideas and patenting it themselves. But in this case the reviewer found multiple old patents that consume anything Intellivision filed itself, so nothing on Amico is deemed unique enough to patent and conversely in some ways could be considered patent infringing on the past active works and ideas including that karma gaming concept. Though I think even that idea is too broad to be easily enforced in a dispute.

 

 

How often to you have to scan the rfid card when you're offline?

 

You can only get a patent if you have invented something or invented an improvement on a prior invention.  Patent applications get rejected way more often than not on the first pass.  It's up to the company to take the feedback and convince the patent office that they've got something patentable.

 

4 hours ago, Rev said:

Been reading through the Amico patent. A couple of observations. 

 

1. It was filed on 2-11-2021, 4 months after the original launch date. Why file for your console patent AFTER you was supposed to launch, they *should* of been filed long before that right?  

...

Actually, it was filed on 2020-05-13, it was published on 2021-02-11.

Edited August 10, 2022 by mr_me

[Rev]

19 minutes ago, mr_me said:

How often to you have to scan the rfid card when you're offline?

 

You can only get a patent if you have invented something or invented an improvement on a prior invention.  Patent applications get rejected way more often than not on the first pass.  It's up to the company to take the feedback and convince the patent office that they've got something patentable.

 

Actually, it was filed on 2020-05-13, it was published on 2021-02-11.

Thanks for clarification. The website i was looking at, I did not see that date. 
 

 

[MattPilz]

20 minutes ago, mr_me said:

How often to you have to scan the rfid card when you're offline?

 

I recall several indications this would be a continual requirement, so long as the system was offline it'd have to be scanned to play. Below is his initial remark about it, I remember more concrete decisions leaning this way in later discussions and interviews.

 

"What is stopping Intellivision from making an OFFLINE Amico system have to TAP the card again in order to play the game (when the system is offline). RFID doesn't need internet connection to work."

 

If you have any source that indicates it would not be an every-play type occurrence I'd like to see that. It is expected most collectors would scan their physical card in once to download and then put the games back on a shelf. Having to fish them out again to scan even at random intervals would be frustrating.

[MattPilz]

32 minutes ago, mr_me said:

How often to you have to scan the rfid card when you're offline?

Just found the definitive answer direct from Tommy. It is every time.

 

"If your Amico is offline then you'll need to do it every time."

 

[Rev]

4 minutes ago, MattPilz said:

Just found the definitive answer direct from Tommy. It is every time.

 

"If your Amico is offline then you'll need to do it every time."

 

 

Lame. Hopefully the new CEO value engineers this horrible decision out of existence.

[Rev]

5 minutes ago, Rev said:

 

Lame. Hopefully the new CEO value engineers this horrible decision out of existence.

If not, one good thing, you dont have to open the shrinkwrap to scan the code in a box. 

[Flojomojo]

41 minutes ago, Rev said:

If not, one good thing, you dont have to open the shrinkwrap to scan the code in a box. 

Lucky for them, these will never be sold in brick and mortar stores.

[Rev]

14 minutes ago, Flojomojo said:

Lucky for them, these will never be sold in brick and mortar stores.

What about Goodwill?

[crade]

4 hours ago, Rev said:

Part of that patent includes the boxed key game codes/cards.  
 

Does the clock start ticking when they began selling those?

 

Defiantly part of the patent. 

I really hope that patent is rejected..  I mean I already don't have much faith in the patent system, but putting an qr code in a box with a picture of a key on is an invention now?

[+CurlyQ]

On 7/11/2022 at 6:32 PM, MrBeefy said:

 

I'm still waiting on that episode of Ellen... ??

 

 

[ColecoJoe]

13 minutes ago, CurlyQ said:

 

 

awwww, it was never meant to be

[Flojomojo]

worst deepfake ever

 

edit: let me explain, I'm not just being cranky and negative
 

For years now, people have been pasting the heads of celebrities, especially women, into other situations where they didn't choose to be depicted, often in sexual/pornographic settings ... always without consent or permission. That's what this feels like to me. Gross and manipulative, even if just being played for laughs. 

Edited August 10, 2022 by Flojomojo

[SegaMasterSystemPunk]

On 8/8/2022 at 5:41 PM, godslabrat said:

Sure, let’s talk about the Amico.

The Amico is, quite simply, a scam.  By “scam”, I mean the people in charge of it took money for investments and pre-orders that they knew would not be fulfilled in the time frame specified.  All evidence, and I mean literally 100% ALL of the evidence, available, indicates there was no way the original 10/10/2020 release date could have been met, and this was known in 2019.  Like every grifter console released, all they ever had was a shell, and hastily scrambled to put the insides together after the money was raised—this is not even disputed.

What does seem to be in dispute is how this forum enabled this grift, and allowed Tommy Tallarico’s outright lies to stand without scrutiny.  It is unacceptable that this would be the standard allowed here—this is the same forum that took down the Coleco Chameleon.  However, for whatever reason, Tommy’s scam was allowed to have its own free-reigning thread (which lasted years) and people were banned for asking questions he didn’t like, for posting images he didn’t approve of, or not “reading the room” correctly.

 

Want to say I’m wrong?  It’s going to do more than saying “Oh, that totally didn’t happen” or “Yeah, it wasn’t modded quite right.”  No, what AtariAge needs to do is be transparent about what really happened.  That means, at bare minimum, the following three things:

 

1)The Amico subforum should be returned to visibility, including all hidden posts.  Readers need to see the discourse and decide for themselves if the banned posters truly deserved to be banned.

 

2)A full list of all banned posters should be given, along with what mod banned them and why.  Readers need to be able to see if the reasons given match the allegedly bannable posts.

 

3)All of Tommy Tallarico’s DM communication with AA Staff should be posted.   Readers need to be able to judge for themselves what established the relationship between Tommy and AtariAge.

 

I don’t think this is what you want to see on AtariAge.  If that’s the case, join the club.  Maybe you now feel what the rest of us have felt watching AtariAge be transformed from “seasoned perspectives on the entire gaming hobby” to “Tommy Tallarico’s primary source for handjobs”.  I think it’s clear to everyone that AtariAge is no longer what it once was, the only question is, do you care enough to fix it, or will you just forever ignore Tommy Tallarico’s stain on this website?

 

See you in the funny papers.

 

 

Yeah, the moderation was ridiculous in that thread. People asking legitimate questions got banned. Amico fans who went all out flaming people who were skeptical were not. 

[Rev]

Document leak video by those drunken podcasters!

 

(inside joke) 😜

 

 

[SteveTheColecoDude]

You'd think playing shows for audiences of 750,000 people would earn enough money that you could finance a console like Amico without the need for investors.

[Matt_B]

1 hour ago, crade said:

I really hope that patent is rejected..  I mean I already don't have much faith in the patent system, but putting an qr code in a box with a picture of a key on is an invention now?

I'd hope so too.

 

If nothing else, there's been so much ludicrous patent trolling in the realm of games consoles over the years that's been enabled by previous grants that were generic and speculative. The last thing we need is Intellivision attempting to join their ranks in a last ditch attempt to raise some money for their abject failure.

 

[Razzie.P]

19 minutes ago, SteveTheColecoDude said:

You'd think playing shows for audiences of 750,000 people would earn enough money that you could finance a console like Amico without the need for investors.

Nope.  That takes at least 750,001 to make that dream come true.  

[MrBeefy]

24 minutes ago, SegaSnatcher said:

I don't personally mind a 100% digital console as long as your game library is managed well and the online store is easy to navigate.   

I just don't trust I.E. in being able to do this successfully.  

Yeah I am almost exclusively digital on my Switch. I love it since I basically have my whole library anytime and don't have to bring carts around.

 

IE digital games are on the launchpad.

[Matt_B]

15 minutes ago, Razzie.P said:

Nope.  That takes at least 750,001 to make that dream come true.  

Well, either that or more than a couple of thousand need to have actually paid for it. 😃

[SteveTheColecoDude]

20 minutes ago, Razzie.P said:

Nope.  That takes at least 750,001 to make that dream come true.  

 

So close! If only Tommy have thought a tiny bit more positively

Edited August 10, 2022 by SteveTheColecoDude

[MrBeefy]

7 hours ago, Flojomojo said:

 

 

Sweet! I made the chart! Who do I contact for my award? I feel like I gave a business card to put on the table of that thread.

7 hours ago, crade said:

It's most likely as released as it's getting, but I expect many of the people involved feel it would be better just be stuffed down a memory hole and never spoken about again.  I kindof wish I could forget

Has anyone else noticed a pattern with those who are favorable towards Amico? Like they were upset if you talked about it and had your concerns. You were called a hater and were told to "please leave" or called trolls and worse.

 

Now that those with concerns were shown to be correct, and actually gave more credit to IE than deserved, they still don't want people to talk about it. 🤣

[MrBeefy]

7 hours ago, Rev said:

 

So we know that a company CAN release a product with no approved patent, but SHOULD they?   What company is stupid enough to release a product with no approved patent? 
 

Dont answer that!

They shouldn't pass their FCC certs either. Don't forget those.

[1980gamer]

5 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

They shouldn't pass their FCC certs either. Don't forget those.

Why not?

 

[MrBeefy]

2 hours ago, ColecoJoe said:

awwww, it was never meant to be

Whao just chill.....

 

🤣

 

 

Going back to the code in box Games. They are the worst of both worlds in my opinion. They are more expensive than not going that route. They are inconvenient by needing to tap anytime. And they add no benefit to when servers go down.

 

So do you want to pay more for an inconvenient product with no future function, or pay less for a more convenient product with the exact same future utility as the more expensive inconvenient one?

 

Even if transferable, they are worthless. They already start out priced higher than just buying the digital game. Are people going to transfer them for less than just buying digital? Do you want to deal with the fact people can write down the codes and won't jack with it? 

 

3 hours ago, Rev said:

What about Goodwill?

Feels more like an O'Sheas type of thing.

[rayik]

27 minutes ago, MrBeefy said:

They shouldn't pass their FCC certs either. Don't forget those.

 

But they could pay an independent testing lab to do the tests; pass the FCC tests at the lab, get the paperwork saying they passed, and hold off until launch time to file with the FCC for official FCC clearance.  About as logical as anything speculated so far.

Edited August 10, 2022 by rayik