SegaSnatcher Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, IntellivisionDude said: I don't care enough about this or the Amico to care about what you just said. I was making a joke. Now that I've made my joke I'm moving on. 🫠 You literally called the critics/skeptics trolls. Which is exactly what you also did when you use to support Amico. I don't see the joke. The questions Sweet and Tender asked were absolutely reasonable and relevant. Are we really going to repeat history on AA where everyone who offers criticism/skeptism about a new Intellivision hardware project is labeled a troll by some hardcore Intellivision enthusiasts? Again, maybe learn from the past and maybe not discredit legit and fair critical takes. Edited August 9, 2023 by SegaSnatcher Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said: You literally called the critics/skeptics trolls. No, he didn't. He said "the trolls are bored". While all trolls are skeptics, not all skeptics are trolls. One of the major differentiators is how they treat people (respectful vs insulting, on topic vs wild tangents, etc). 1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said: I don't see the joke. I see it. 1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said: The questions Sweet and Tender asked were absolutely reasonable and relevant. Nope. Does he have some reasonable and relevant points and questions? Yes. There are a few I'm curious for the answers for. However, some other questions are not reasonable and some are not relevant. 1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said: Are we really going to repeat history on AA where everyone who offers criticism/skeptism about a new Intellivision hardware project is labeled a troll by some hardcore Intellivision enthusiasts? Again, maybe learn from the past and maybe not discredit legit and fair critical takes. I hope not. Criticism and skepticism are a positive things, especially when they are made in good faith. They are extra positive when they help actually improve the final product or help folks pull the plug early (i.e. save time and resources that could be put elsewhere). It's also fine for folks to simply say they aren't interested in it and why (i.e., "Tommy burned me on all things Intellivision", "I'm not paying $$$ for an FPGA when I can plug cartridges into my existing console", "Given reason YYY can this console sell enough?", or even "This device sounds lame"). These help give the makers a barometer for what the market interest levels are. I've already tossed in my criticisms and concerns on this thread. I have deep worries but I also hope to be proven wrong. The most sure-fire way that criticism and skepticism will get silenced is if too many folks go full-bore troll mode in this thread and Al is forced to come in and lock it. My gut says we're a ways away from that point, but we need to be vigilant against them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Lots of huge Intellivision fans in this thread. I recognize a lot of folks here from all their posts in the hundreds and hundreds of other threads in the classic Intellivision forum. It strikes me that these two non existent consoles are in fact modern consoles and maybe this thread should be moved to the modern consoles forum. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 55 minutes ago, Lathe26 said: No, he didn't. He said "the trolls are bored". While all trolls are skeptics, not all skeptics are trolls. One of the major differentiators is how they treat people (respectful vs insulting, on topic vs wild tangents, etc). I see it. Nope. Does he have some reasonable and relevant points and questions? Yes. There are a few I'm curious for the answers for. However, some other questions are not reasonable and some are not relevant. I hope not. Criticism and skepticism are a positive things, especially when they are made in good faith. They are extra positive when they help actually improve the final product or help folks pull the plug early (i.e. save time and resources that could be put elsewhere). It's also fine for folks to simply say they aren't interested in it and why (i.e., "Tommy burned me on all things Intellivision", "I'm not paying $$$ for an FPGA when I can plug cartridges into my existing console", "Given reason YYY can this console sell enough?", or even "This device sounds lame"). These help give the makers a barometer for what the market interest levels are. I've already tossed in my criticisms and concerns on this thread. I have deep worries but I also hope to be proven wrong. The most sure-fire way that criticism and skepticism will get silenced is if too many folks go full-bore troll mode in this thread and Al is forced to come in and lock it. My gut says we're a ways away from that point, but we need to be vigilant against them. I agree on most of the points you made, just don't want to see a repeat of what happened with Amico discussions in the past where any form of criticism/skeptimism were quickly downplayed and people getting labeled "trolls" were handed out so casually. As long as the current individuals are still running IE I just have very little hope for any brand new INTV consoles. Once IE is bought out by a competent company with a track record of selling hardware (e.g. Evercade) then I will likely change my tune. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 33 minutes ago, cmart604 said: Lots of huge Intellivision fans in this thread. I recognize a lot of folks here from all their posts in the hundreds and hundreds of other threads in the classic Intellivision forum. It strikes me that these two non existent consoles are in fact modern consoles and maybe this thread should be moved to the modern consoles forum. The FPGA project that was talked about would theoretically run original INTV carts, so it would still be relevant to this sub forum. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, SegaSnatcher said: The FPGA project that was talked about would theoretically run original INTV carts, so it would still be relevant to this sub forum. The console itself would be modern though would it not? Furthermore it seems like absolutely no one is talking about playing the original carts on this proposed system but rather how much they feel that the Amico was a scam which is their prerogative. As it stands this forum, the last time I checked, was to discuss the classic Inty console and games made for it. I don't think the ability to express opinions on these two very likely not to happen modern consoles, and whatever ties they may or may not have to the Amico and IE, would be at all diminished by moving it to a forum that is meant to host discussions about modern consoles. Call me crazy for wanting to discuss whether the Tandy or the Sears Super Pro is the best as a daily driver, or whether AD&D Cloudy or AD&D Tarmin is the best of the original 125 in peace. My 2 cents as someone that has posted nearly 15000 times in these forums because I'm a big fan of the Inty, which I'm not certain is the goal of some folks that have joined in this conversation. Just sayin. 🥓 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+cmart604 Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 It almost feels like I'm on to something. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 9, 2023 Author Share Posted August 9, 2023 Is everyone in this thread in agreement that Intellivision Entertainment took in approximately 17 million, never released Amico, never refunded every requested? 5 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, cmart604 said: The console itself would be modern though would it not? Furthermore it seems like absolutely no one is talking about playing the original carts on this proposed system but rather how much they feel that the Amico was a scam which is their prerogative. As it stands this forum, the last time I checked, was to discuss the classic Inty console and games made for it. I don't think the ability to express opinions on these two very likely not to happen modern consoles, and whatever ties they may or may not have to the Amico and IE, would be at all diminished by moving it to a forum that is meant to host discussions about modern consoles. Call me crazy for wanting to discuss whether the Tandy or the Sears Super Pro is the best as a daily driver, or whether AD&D Cloudy or AD&D Tarmin is the best of the original 125 in peace. My 2 cents as someone that has posted nearly 15000 times in these forums because I'm a big fan of the Inty, which I'm not certain is the goal of some folks that have joined in this conversation. Just sayin. 🥓 To me a modern console by definition plays modern games. An FPGA clone console uses modern hardware to play classic games, so it would be 100% relevant for classic INTV talk as it is related to retro gaming. I'm pretty sure the Colecovision Phoenix was not considered off topic in the Colecovision sub forum, so why treat this any different? It just looks like to me you don't like any discussion about anything related to Intellivision that results in highly critical takes. Nobody is forcing you to read these types of threads/posts. Edited August 9, 2023 by SegaSnatcher 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr_me Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Rev said: Is everyone in this thread in agreement that Intellivision Entertainment took in approximately 17 million, never released Amico, never refunded every requested? Looks like Cmart is right. Discussing emulation systems is fine here but that's not what's going on in this thread. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 13 minutes ago, mr_me said: Looks like Cmart is right. Discussing emulation systems is fine here but that's not what's going on in this thread. Some cross talk is relevant given the circumstances and the fact IE is still going to be connected in some ways to any future Intellivision hardware projects, even if produced by a different company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, SegaSnatcher said: Some cross talk is relevant given the circumstances and the fact IE is still going to be connected in some ways to any future Intellivision hardware projects, even if produced by a different company. Hmmm ... "Crosstalk" is to this thread as "Unreleased" is to Amico. 😄 Talk about understatements! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet and Tender Hooligan Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 It's peculiar that folks in this thread are so dismissive as soon as the previous Intellivision Console project is brought up. What gives? Are you guys embarrassed or ashamed by Amico? Well, you shouldn't be. Like it or not, that's a part of videogame history now. As they say- those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it, which is exactly what just happened. The Amico has been a source for the most engaging (and hilarious) conversations I've ever been a part of. The saga has inspired SO MUCH CREATIVITY that people like me should not be labeled as Haters or Trolls, but rather Fans or Enthusiasts at this point. There is a certain amount of love that goes into putting effort into editing a video, or having a passionate discussion. I mean in all seriousness, I love the Amico now. I've made friends and become part of an online community which hasn't ever really happened for me before. You can't tell me what I can and can't enjoy. As for this thread's place in the forums, this discussion is about TWO new Intellivision consoles being releaed by BBG (with the vital help & licensing of INTV ENT!) and because of that connection, it is absolutely valid to discuss all parts of the story. How on Earth can you deny Intellivision Entertainment's involvement?? Anyone doing so is either naive or being willfully ignorant. Now, if we can get back to the topic at hand, here are two videos about the subject. One by the infamous nasty troll called No Swear Gamer (feat. comments from John Alvarado about these new systems!), and another video featuring a RESPONSE FROM STEPHEN @ BBG ABOUT THE CONSOLE :0 (Hey William, what do you have to say about what Stephen says here??) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 50 minutes ago, Sweet and Tender Hooligan said: It's peculiar that folks in this thread are so dismissive as soon as the previous Intellivision Console project is brought up. What gives? Are you guys embarrassed or ashamed by Amico? Well, you shouldn't be. Like it or not, that's a part of videogame history now. As they say- those who do not know their history are doomed to repeat it, which is exactly what just happened. The Amico has been a source for the most engaging (and hilarious) conversations I've ever been a part of. The saga has inspired SO MUCH CREATIVITY that people like me should not be labeled as Haters or Trolls, but rather Fans or Enthusiasts at this point. There is a certain amount of love that goes into putting effort into editing a video, or having a passionate discussion. I mean in all seriousness, I love the Amico now. I've made friends and become part of an online community which hasn't ever really happened for me before. You can't tell me what I can and can't enjoy. As for this thread's place in the forums, this discussion is about TWO new Intellivision consoles being releaed by BBG (with the vital help & licensing of INTV ENT!) and because of that connection, it is absolutely valid to discuss all parts of the story. How on Earth can you deny Intellivision Entertainment's involvement?? Anyone doing so is either naive or being willfully ignorant. Now, if we can get back to the topic at hand, here are two videos about the subject. One by the infamous nasty troll called No Swear Gamer (feat. comments from John Alvarado about these new systems!), and another video featuring a RESPONSE FROM STEPHEN @ BBG ABOUT THE CONSOLE :0 (Hey William, what do you have to say about what Stephen says here??) You may want to read again the topic of this forum: It is not about general items under the Intellivision brand, but about a very specific console by Mattel from the 1980s, its related devices and adapters from the era, its games, and the different variations of that same console by other vendors of the time. The Amico is not one of those, and neither are these two consoles from BBG which do not even exist. dZ. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sweet and Tender Hooligan Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 47 minutes ago, DZ-Jay said: You may want to read again the topic of this forum: It is not about general items under the Intellivision brand, but about a very specific console by Mattel from the 1980s, its related devices and adapters from the era, its games, and the different variations of that same console by other vendors of the time. The Amico is not one of those, and neither are these two consoles from BBG which do not even exist. dZ. By your own definition, that would mean that products such as LTO Flash! also do not belong in this section of the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+DZ-Jay Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 1 hour ago, Sweet and Tender Hooligan said: By your own definition, that would mean that products such as LTO Flash! also do not belong in this section of the forums. You are cor text. So when (or if) people start complaining that it is distracting and out of topic, and request it to be moved out of this forum, or into its own sub-forum (like was done for the Intellivision Programming and High Score Club sub-fora), then that should happen, right? In the meantime, those sort of complaints have already been raised in this topic. dZ. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rev Posted August 9, 2023 Author Share Posted August 9, 2023 One thing is for sure, Im starting to no longer trust gaming companies that have the word “Entertainment” in them! 😀 7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
roots.genoa Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Personally, I don't really care on which subforum a topic is. I browse three times a day my "unread content stream", so I see topics for every part of AtariAge, because I run a retrogaming website so everything is potentially interesting to me. And I've never used my ignore list because I think it's pretty easy not to read a topic if it repels me for some reason. For instance, I tend to stay away from topics about movies because I know I will get angry by your shitty taste in movies. 😝 So it feels to me some of you guys just want to keep the Intellivision subforum "unspoiled", probably because that's one of the only ones you're interested in. Well, if you consider you have a point, then just ask a mod to move it, simple as that. But to me it's as childish as putting your hands on your ears to avoid hearing something you don't want to hear. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 15 hours ago, cmart604 said: Call me crazy for wanting to discuss whether the Tandy or the Sears Super Pro is the best as a daily driver, or whether AD&D Cloudy or AD&D Tarmin is the best of the original 125 in peace. My 2 cents as someone that has posted nearly 15000 times in these forums because I'm a big fan of the Inty, which I'm not certain is the goal of some folks that have joined in this conversation. Just sayin. 🥓 This thread existing in this sub forum does not prevent you to continue to discuss about the original Intellivision console or games. People like myself also like to discuss new things that are also related to playing old INTV games, which these two projects "were" going to be. I still love playing original INTV games, but I use a MiSTer for my INTV needs now. Look I get it, the Amico tarnished and left a bad smell on this sub forum for you and you don't want to see that happen again with other questionable projects IE is in some way tied to. Totally understand that, but if we just look at the projects themselves they are retro inspired devices with the main goal of playing original INTV games, which by every definition would be considered relevant to this sub. The Amico being moved to the modern section made sense because playing original INTV games was not its primary goal/function. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_B Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 3 hours ago, Rev said: One thing is for sure, Im starting to no longer trust gaming companies that have the word “Entertainment” in them! 😀 Yeah, you can't trust Sony Interactive Entertainment. They just straight up announce consoles are in the works all the time and then try to gaslight us into that never having happened. 😀 Seriously, I can respect the prompt retractions on this, and that alone shows far more class than we ever got from the Amico jokers. You just don't get to stuff the genie back in the bottle once you've let it out, so keeping the lid on until there's a demonstrable prototype is always the way to do it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Sweet and Tender Hooligan said: By your own definition, that would mean that products such as LTO Flash! also do not belong in this section of the forums. Speaking of LTO Flash, I wonder if Joe (Creator of LTO Flash) was the FPGA engineer William was talking about during the interview for the FPGA console project. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+grips03 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 Why would anyone be waiting for a FPGA Intellivision console, when the Mister already exists? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SegaSnatcher Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 31 minutes ago, grips03 said: Why would anyone be waiting for a FPGA Intellivision console, when the Mister already exists? You can't use original Carts on MiSTer, for some people that matters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Lathe26 Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 9 hours ago, Rev said: One thing is for sure, Im starting to no longer trust gaming companies that have the word “Entertainment” in them! 😀 Exactly why I don't trusted the WWE. The wrestling is all fake, fake I say! 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sinjinhawke Posted August 10, 2023 Share Posted August 10, 2023 5 hours ago, Lathe26 said: Exactly why I don't trusted the WWE. The wrestling is all fake, fake I say! 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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