Bakasama Posted September 25, 2023 Share Posted September 25, 2023 Sure it's a disappointment but at least bringing up the issues with Prosystem with Atari might help make a better version of it for the 2600+. 3 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323320 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 FYI, folks - not good news: 2 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: I spoke with the software developer said he said launch units ship with 1.3E 1 hour ago, Trebor said: June 6, 2009 - wow. A lot of issues were noted since that release. Really hoping there is a firmware update sooner than later. Unfortunately, this means the 2600+ will perform at least as poorly, though likely worse than, the test results shown with RetroArch. Despite what is posted in the respective info file for the core plug-in, RetroArch has received some updates since the v1.3e, June 2009 release. 2 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323760 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eagle Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 4 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323769 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Karl G Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 1 hour ago, Trebor said: FYI, folks - not good news: 2 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: I spoke with the software developer said he said launch units ship with 1.3E I wonder what the "E" part is, and where it comes from? What's annoying is that there are a lot of ProSystem fixes scattered around that could make the emulator behave a lot better at least. There are some in the ProSystem core of RetroArch for Rikki and Vikki; there are many in the DS7800 ProSystem port, and even more in JS7800 that could be backported. Even if they stuck with ProSystem, if Atari paid a skilled developer to integrate these fixes, they would ship with something that's a whole lot better than what we will likely see now. 5 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323810 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 12 hours ago, Karl G said: I wonder what the "E" part is, and where it comes from? ProSystem 1.3e *Insert RetroArch version here* ProSystem 1.3f ProSystem 1.3g *Insert JS7800 version here* Other builds stating 1.3e will be similar to RetroArch, containing perhaps a hack or fix for one or two games, but overall compatibility is v1.3e. JS7800 sources really need to be leveraged for 2600+. 5 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323814 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+swlovinist Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 Thank you for the update Trebor. Can the ProSystem 1.3e be updated if it ships that way? Do later versions of the ProSystem recognize and play POKEY sound? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323819 Share on other sites More sharing options...
desiv Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 2 hours ago, swlovinist said: Can the ProSystem 1.3e be updated if it ships that way? Do later versions of the ProSystem recognize and play POKEY sound? They did say the 2600+ supports updating via USB, so any future updates (even including replacing ProSystem with some other emulator) would be technically possible... Tho being a bit familiar with DEV platform selections, a change of course after the selection was made isn't something I'd bet on... As for Pokey, tep392 said: Prosystem only supports POKEY at $4000 So some Pokey sound will work... An interesting side note to this might (YES, this is a huge MIGHT) be that as a result of this choice, Prosystem gets improved. Not just for the 2600+, but any improvements should get back to the tree... So, maybe a silver lining??? (maybe?) Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
famicommander Posted September 26, 2023 Share Posted September 26, 2023 What 7800 emulator is that new MyArcade garbage using? Same one? Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5323931 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 11 hours ago, swlovinist said: Thank you for the update Trebor. Can the ProSystem 1.3e be updated if it ships that way? Do later versions of the ProSystem recognize and play POKEY sound? A firmware update for 2600+ that leverages the JS7800 source files - ProSystem core with a plethora of updates - would fix many things, including POKEY sound working at both @4000 and @450 locations. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5324261 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TailChao Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 On 9/26/2023 at 7:24 AM, Trebor said: Unfortunately, this means the 2600+ will perform at least as poorly, though likely worse than, the test results shown with RetroArch. I dunno, if 1.3e is still before any of Maria's fetch penalties were emulated then the performance will be amazing. 1 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5324542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 7 minutes ago, TailChao said: I dunno, if 1.3e is still before any of Maria's fetch penalties were emulated then the performance will be amazing. I would tend to believe this guy Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5324546 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RevEng Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 53 minutes ago, Shawn said: I would tend to believe this guy It's a wry statement. The emulation will "perform" amazingly fast if it doesn't emulate Maria faithfully. The screen will be messed up in several scenarios, but the framerate of that messed up screen will be fantastic! 1 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5324590 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shawn Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 On 9/27/2023 at 10:53 AM, RevEng said: It's a wry statement. The emulation will "perform" amazingly fast if it doesn't emulate Maria faithfully. The screen will be messed up in several scenarios, but the framerate of that messed up screen will be fantastic! Ah, I see. Well isn't that lovely lmfao 3 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5326622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkangel Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 I will buy the 2600+ but very disappointed that according to the compatibility list, one of the most celebrated games for 7800, Midnight Mutants, does not work. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5339001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+littaum Posted October 27, 2023 Share Posted October 27, 2023 2 hours ago, Hawkangel said: I will buy the 2600+ but very disappointed that according to the compatibility list, one of the most celebrated games for 7800, Midnight Mutants, does not work. Wait for the updated list... Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5339076 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hawkangel Posted October 28, 2023 Share Posted October 28, 2023 16 hours ago, littaum said: Wait for the updated list... Sorry. You are correct. I misread the list. It’s untested as of yet. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5339359 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZippyOasys Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 (edited) @Trebor Does my homebrew work? Because I plan on getting one of these in the future. lyra_rev3_1_2023y_11m_01_0200t.78b.a78 lyra_rev3_1_2023y_11m_01_0200t.78b.bin Edited November 15, 2023 by ZippyOasys Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5348893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 15, 2023 Share Posted November 15, 2023 58 minutes ago, ZippyOasys said: @Trebor Does my homebrew work? Because I plan on getting one of these in the future. lyra_rev3_1_2023y_11m_01_0200t.78b.a78 48.13 kB · 0 downloads lyra_rev3_1_2023y_11m_01_0200t.78b.bin 48 kB · 0 downloads I do not own a 2600+. 7800 compatibility - especially homebrews - and faithful emulation/simulation are important factors to me. I'm waiting for an official updated compatibility guide that includes homebrews or feedback from others. However, leveraging ProSystem 1.3e core with no substantial updates such as what was done with JS7800, will likely result in a pass for me for the time being. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5348923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 Sure hope the 2600+ sees a firmware update sooner than later - especially regarding its 7800 support: Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351428 Share on other sites More sharing options...
+littaum Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 1 hour ago, Trebor said: Sure hope the 2600+ sees a firmware update sooner than later - especially regarding its 7800 support: Not sure why their 7800 controller did not work, but at PRGE I verified 2 button controls on my retrogameboyz 7800 pad worked great on 7800 titles. Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351471 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 4 hours ago, littaum said: Not sure why their 7800 controller did not work, but at PRGE I verified 2 button controls on my retrogameboyz 7800 pad worked great on 7800 titles. Thank you, at least that's promising. I'm looking forward to further feedback from others. *EDIT: Here's a really good video from @swlovinist: Two button controllers DO work. From the Untested list - Tank Command works. Rampage does not. Commando title screen has glitches, though in-game seems fine. Further... *None* of John's homebrew games (pictured above) worked. Some of those are TIA titles - b*nQ, Jr. Pac-Man, Astro Blaster, Space Invaders, 48K or less (no bankswitching). Pretty disappointing to state the least. Here's another: Briefly played, Midnight Mutants appears okay. Food Fight looks good. Xevious has scanline corruption at the top of the playfield. Robotron and Jinks are good. Tower Toppler plays too fast. Asteroids plays too fast. Ms Pac-Man crashed in the middle of the game and the system reset. Donkey Kong and Joust appear fine. Dark Chambers and Scrapyard Dog are okay. Mario Bros and DK Jr seem good. Ninja Golf and Ikari Warriors looked good. Ballblazer was fine (Including POKEY). Crossbow has major graphic corruption - unplayable. Crack'ed is fine. Tomcat worked well. Double Dragon does not work. Again, a disappointing showing for the 7800 support. 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351485 Share on other sites More sharing options...
famicommander Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 How many trash emulation devices with an Atari logo have to come out in a row before Atari fans will stop lining up like Charlie Brown to have Lucy rip the football away at the last second? 1 1 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351489 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albert Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 23 minutes ago, Trebor said: *None* of John's homebrew games (pictured above) worked. Some of those are TIA titles - b*nQ, Jr. Pac-Man, Astro Blaster, Space Invaders, 48K or less (no bankswitching). Pretty disappointing to state the least. I'll have most of the AtariAge homebrew games working fairly soon, and I'll work to make as many work from third parties as well. The reason they don't work is due to the nature of how ProSystem works, at present it needs explicit entries for each game in an internal database so it knows what bankswitching scheme (if any) that games use. This wasn't a big deal when there weren't many homebrew games and people were mostly playing original titles, but obviously there are many homebrews at this point. It's curious that ProSystem doesn't even try to run games in 48K non-bankswitching mode if it doesn't have a match in its database. I bet that could be changed pretty easily, which would cover the bulk of all homebrew games right off the bat. ..Al 6 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351495 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Giles N Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Albert said: I'll have most of the AtariAge homebrew games working fairly soon, and I'll work to make as many work from third parties as well. Thanks. How will firmware-update happen…? Plug it to a PC…? Will Atari put out a place on their official site containing such supdate-patches/files…? Does it have some inbuilt wifi/bluetooth-thing which will install it by pushing a button on a menu-screen…? Will it be easy, or only for particulary interested people going to AA to learn everything about how-to install firmware updates on retro-consoles…? No soldering needed, please! I’m a just simple gamer, not a tech-nerd! Edited November 19, 2023 by Giles N Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351529 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted November 19, 2023 Share Posted November 19, 2023 2 hours ago, Albert said: I'll have most of the AtariAge homebrew games working fairly soon, and I'll work to make as many work from third parties as well. The reason they don't work is due to the nature of how ProSystem works, at present it needs explicit entries for each game in an internal database so it knows what bankswitching scheme (if any) that games use. This wasn't a big deal when there weren't many homebrew games and people were mostly playing original titles, but obviously there are many homebrews at this point. It's curious that ProSystem doesn't even try to run games in 48K non-bankswitching mode if it doesn't have a match in its database. I bet that could be changed pretty easily, which would cover the bulk of all homebrew games right off the bat. ..Al If the JS7800 sources are integrated, all the aforementioned issues and more would be rectified. 2 Quote Link to comment https://forums.atariage.com/topic/354126-2600-w7800-support/page/5/#findComment-5351536 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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