shane857 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 23 minutes ago, JetmanUK said: A nice selection. Did they sort out the problems with the paddle on the Ranger controller? I hope so, it looks good. My current choice here is much simpler and limited. Standard joystick, the amazing PowerPlay Cruiser (fully microswitched, owned from new back in the day) and this modified NES 7800 controller. I am definitely in the market for a nice joypad type controller, but I do have the Bluetooth adaptor on the way so I'm gonna try an Xbox pad first and see what I think of that. I have a similar NES type controller that i bought for my ZX spectrum. Works perfect on the atari 2600 and +. Perfect for 7800 games that use 2 buttons. I prefer the original atari joystick for 2600 games thou. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 21 Share Posted January 21 When I am buying games for the 2600 and +, i usually try and get a game complete if it isn't crazy price. Box, cart ,manual. Like you would have bought the game from a shop/store...back in the day 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpareHead3 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 5 hours ago, shane857 said: When I am buying games for the 2600 and +, i usually try and get a game complete if it isn't crazy price. Box, cart ,manual. Like you would have bought the game from a shop/store...back in the day CIB is nice, but I am more about getting the games. I can use this site for manual scans / HTML versions. I have gone a bit crazy lately with cartridge acquisitions .... * H.E.R.O. (Activision) * River Raid II (Activision) * Private Eye (Activision) * Commando (Activision) * Bridge (Activision) * Solar Storm (Imagic) * Fathom (Imagic) * Subterranea (Imagic) * Quick Step (Imagic) * Shootin Gallery (Imagic) * Star Voyager (Imagic) * Star Fox (Mythicon) * Fire Fly (Mythicon) * Alien (20th Century Fox) * Bank Heist (20th Century Fox) * Sir Lancelot (Xonox) * Entombed (US Games) * Name That Game (US Games) * Space Jockey (US Games) * 3D Tic-Tac-Toe (Atari) * Basic Math (Atari) * Video Checkers (Atari) * Video Chess (Atari) * Dark Chambers (Atari) * Mario Bros (Atari) * Demons To Diamonds (Atari) * Brain Games (Atari) * Berzerk Enhanced (Atari) * Mr Run and Jump (Atari) * Submarine Commander (Sears) -- Gift from my son * Stellar Track (Sears) * Challenge (Zellers) * Unholy (Homebrew) - Not 2600+ compatible due to Melody Chip * Circus Convoy (Audacity Games) * Coconuts (Telesys) * Infiltrate (Apollo) * Planet Patrol (Spectravision) * Smurf (Coleco) * Reactor (Parker Brothers) * Tunnel Runner (CBS) * Encounter at L5 (Data Age) * Space Attack (M Network) I _think_ that's it (so far).... Edited January 22 by SpareHead3 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 16 hours ago, JetmanUK said: A nice selection. Did they sort out the problems with the paddle on the Ranger controller? I hope so, it looks good. My current choice here is much simpler and limited. Standard joystick, the amazing PowerPlay Cruiser (fully microswitched, owned from new back in the day) and this modified NES 7800 controller. I am definitely in the market for a nice joypad type controller, but I do have the Bluetooth adaptor on the way so I'm gonna try an Xbox pad first and see what I think of that. I'll test out the paddles later and report back. I've mainly just used my Hyperkin Rangers for Robotron so far 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Intellivision Master Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 19 hours ago, Dr Karnov said: What controllers are people using on their 2600+? I've got a good selection, but find that my choice of controller depends on which game I'm playing I use different controllers on the 2600+. Like you, I find one that works better on a particular game. These are the controller options I use on the console: 7800 custom gamepad Archer joystick with auto fire switch Atari dual stick Fighter Stick SG-6 Hyperkin Trooper joystick Once the new paddles come out, I'll get them. I'm waiting for the set that doesn't include the games. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean_1970 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 I’ve done another of these epic length videos playing on this machine my recent third-party purchases 😁 8 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) I find that the CX40+ is a bit tighter but that's good for games where you don't want any accidental inputs, like Phoenix, Turmoil, Polaris and Ms Pacman. The Hyperkin Trooper has a looser action, which seems to suit games with lots of multidirectional movement, like Marauder and Food Fight. That's my take anyway Edited January 22 by Dr Karnov 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Intellivision Master Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Dr Karnov said: I find that the CX40+ is a bit tighter but that's good for games where you don't want any accidental inputs, like Phoenix, Turmoil, Polaris and Ms Pacman. The Hyperkin Trooper has a looser action, which seems to suit games with lots of multidirectional movement, like Marauder and Food Fight. That's my take anyway I prefer the Hyperkin Trooper for it's flexibility. The CX40+ just isn't for me. I can't use that. But I'll keep it anyway since it came with the console. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shane857 Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 No manual with Berzerk enhanced from atari? No problem. I'll just improvise 💪 🤣 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Karnov Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 On 1/21/2024 at 7:40 PM, JetmanUK said: A nice selection. Did they sort out the problems with the paddle on the Ranger controller? I hope so, it looks good. My current choice here is much simpler and limited. Standard joystick, the amazing PowerPlay Cruiser (fully microswitched, owned from new back in the day) and this modified NES 7800 controller. I am definitely in the market for a nice joypad type controller, but I do have the Bluetooth adaptor on the way so I'm gonna try an Xbox pad first and see what I think of that. Right, I've not got a huge amount of experience playing paddle games, but I had a good test with all of the relevant carts I've got with the Hyperkin Ranger. I didn't notice any jittering or unwanted / unexpected inputs at all. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_from_the_80s Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 Down to picking stragglers up for my library by ones and twos now. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 hours ago, Dr Karnov said: I find that the CX40+ is a bit tighter but that's good for games where you don't want any accidental inputs, like Phoenix, Turmoil, Polaris and Ms Pacman. The Hyperkin Trooper has a looser action, which seems to suit games with lots of multidirectional movement, like Marauder and Food Fight. That's my take anyway Yes the style of game matters. Been working on the CX78+ specifically on this, the original CX78 definitely for me can make unintentional diagonal movements too easily in games like Berzerk. So Ive tightened it up the CX78+ dpad action to have more definitive directional movement. It's hard but I hope to strike the right balance. 10 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brad_from_the_80s Posted January 22 Author Share Posted January 22 2 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Yes the style of game matters. Been working on the CX78+ specifically on this, the original CX78 definitely for me can make unintentional diagonal movements too easily in games like Berzerk. So Ive tightened it up the CX78+ dpad action to have more definitive directional movement. It's hard but I hope to strike the right balance. This is legit. I've rebuilt a couple old DMG Game Boys, and some of the Chinese knock-off D-pads look right visually but simply don't work correctly. Basically they will go diagonal too easily when you don't intend to and it makes some games more difficult or unplayable. I can't even see what the difference is in some of the parts compared to original, but it's something Nintendo got right and you'll know it when it's wrong. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 4 minutes ago, Brad_from_the_80s said: This is legit. I've rebuilt a couple old DMG Game Boys, and some of the Chinese knock-off D-pads look right visually but simply don't work correctly. Basically they will go diagonal too easily when you don't intend to and it makes some games more difficult or unplayable. I can't even see what the difference is in some of the parts compared to original, but it's something Nintendo got right and you'll know it when it's wrong. It's all about continuously trying different elements of the physical kinetic parts of the action. See this image where I've asked for a 3d print of the underside of the dpad, the white part is a 3d printed test with slightly angled feet, compared to my favourite dpad which has horizontally flat feet. Personally I want to try one more 3d print with slightly convex feet which would give a more rolling feel Vs the definite on off of the flat footed dpad. Might be that I stick to the flat foot cause it's pretty great, but like I say you need to keep trying different specifications to get try and get the feel you need. This is same approach I took with the CX40+. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 (edited) 22 minutes ago, Brad_from_the_80s said: This is legit. I've rebuilt a couple old DMG Game Boys, and some of the Chinese knock-off D-pads look right visually but simply don't work correctly. Basically they will go diagonal too easily when you don't intend to and it makes some games more difficult or unplayable. I can't even see what the difference is in some of the parts compared to original, but it's something Nintendo got right and you'll know it when it's wrong. Imagine how many people at Nintendo relentlessly felt prototypes of the NES / SNES pads to get the dpad feel right. Edited January 22 by Ben from Plaion 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 48 minutes ago, Dr Karnov said: Right, I've not got a huge amount of experience playing paddle games, but I had a good test with all of the relevant carts I've got with the Hyperkin Ranger. I didn't notice any jittering or unwanted / unexpected inputs at all. Thanks for checking this out. 👍🏻 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 13 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Imagine how many people at Nintendo relentlessly felt prototypes of the NES / SNES pads to get the dpad feel right. I think we are in good hands with you at the helm of a CX78 recreation, I'll be getting one for sure. 🤟🏻 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, shane857 said: No manual with Berzerk enhanced from atari? No problem. I'll just improvise 💪 🤣 I did this too, although the OG Berzerk I picked up was CIB, so I have ended up keeping it all together in that box anyway. 🤷🏻🤦🏻🤣 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, shane857 said: No manual with Berzerk enhanced from atari? No problem. I'll just improvise 💪 🤣 I signed off artwork today for instruction manuals in upcoming games for the 2600+ because of Atari Age. 13 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: I signed off artwork today for instruction manuals in upcoming games for the 2600+ because of Atari Age. ...And the new games are? 🤔😁 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 A trio of decent re-issues 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 11 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: A trio of decent re-issues Ooh, let's all speculate! 1) A double cart - Centipede and Millipede* 2) Missile Command Enhanced 3) Golf (Joke) Real 3) Indy 500 enhanced with new tracks and box collecting stages, with driving controllers. 😬🤪 *I've played a ROM of both of these games with very enhanced graphics, they would be a nice release. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 Nah, no need to hype it up cause just need to wait till next Tuesday for the reveal of some reissues. Hopefully it's just the start. 12 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted January 22 Share Posted January 22 7 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Nah, no need to hype it up cause just need to wait till next Tuesday for the reveal of some reissues. Hopefully it's just the start. Just playing, Tuesday sounds good. 🤟🏻 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bitsized Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Ben from Plaion said: I signed off artwork today for instruction manuals in upcoming games for the 2600+ because of Atari Age. THANK YOU for listening! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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