tradyblix Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 1/1/2024 at 4:52 AM, JetmanUK said: Having to shoot robots twice occasionally is not a bug. It is mentioned in the original manual that you may encounter a stronger robot that requires two shots to destroy. No doubt it was a bug and they wrote some lore around it to explain it, but the game is working as stated back in the day. Cool thanks for letting me know. I had just not really run into it before on the original berserk or at least I didn't think that I had, but if it's like that on the original game then glad to hear about it. it's actually kind of cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Mitch Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 11 minutes ago, B.T. said: I can no longer get Tower Toppler on 7800 to work on ver. 1.1. It was working on 1.0. When you start the game the first stage shows up and then restarts in an endless loop. Anyone else own this game and have the same problem on the new firmware? Check your difficulty switches. Mitch 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregory DG Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) ... Edited January 3 by Gregory DG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lantesh Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I was able to get the new firmware installed via my Windows 10 PC. I'm looking forward to some testing now. 🙂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 55 minutes ago, Mitch said: Check your difficulty switches. Mitch If difficulty is on A then 7800 Tower Toppler constantly resets. If it's on B it plays. Why is that? Also, Tower Toppler looks really BAD on the 2600+... like, not at all what I am seeing in YouTube videos. Does this game use the old color artifacting trick from CRT monitors? If so, then we really need color artifacting emulation turned ON for this game! Is that possible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Just now, chad5200 said: If difficulty is on A then 7800 Tower Toppler constantly resets. If it's on B it plays. Why is that? Also, Tower Toppler looks really BAD on the 2600+... like, not at all what I am seeing in YouTube videos. Does this game use the old color artifacting trick from CRT monitors? If so, then we really need color artifacting emulation turned ON for this game! Is that possible? It was a way to select the level you wanted for practicing. Basically leave the switch on until it loads the level you want and then flip it back to play. And yes...the game relies on NTSC artifacting so with this high signal quality, it will look like a striped mess that makes it look like it is missing graphics. Same thing happens on 7800s with s-video output added to them on this game. So it can really only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, -^CrossBow^- said: So it can really only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. Or if the 2600+ 7800 emulator can emulate color artifacting. Can it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 1 minute ago, chad5200 said: Or if the 2600+ 7800 emulator can emulate color artifacting. Can it? I've not see any other emulators able to do that? The 7800GD has a blending mode for it that can emulate it but I don't think any of the emulators can? Well maybe A7800 has a mode that can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 4 minutes ago, -^CrossBow^- said: I've not see any other emulators able to do that? The 7800GD has a blending mode for it that can emulate it but I don't think any of the emulators can? Well maybe A7800 has a mode that can do it. A7800 emulator has color artifacting emulation so looks like it is definitely possible in emulation. Is that the emulator that the 2600+ is using? They talk about it here and it looks great: 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 16 minutes ago, -^CrossBow^- said: It was a way to select the level you wanted for practicing. Basically leave the switch on until it loads the level you want and then flip it back to play. And yes...the game relies on NTSC artifacting so with this high signal quality, it will look like a striped mess that makes it look like it is missing graphics. Same thing happens on 7800s with s-video output added to them on this game. So it can really only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. I mean you can play it fine you just need to get used to the graphics being all kinds of wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, chad5200 said: A7800 emulator has color artifacting emulation so looks like it is definitely possible in emulation. Is that the emulator that the 2600+ is using? They talk about it here and it looks great: No..the 2600+ is using a modified version of the older Pro System emulator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 6 minutes ago, tradyblix said: I mean you can play it fine you just need to get used to the graphics being all kinds of wrong Never said it was unplayable. I was quite used to how it looked on s-video for quite some time, but then found myself swapping in my composite cable eventually when playing this game, and now I can't really play it without that artifacting since without, there is so much detail lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 minutes ago, -^CrossBow^- said: Never said it was unplayable. I was quite used to how it looked on s-video for quite some time, but then found myself swapping in my composite cable eventually when playing this game, and now I can't really play it without that artifacting since without, there is so much detail lost. "So it can really only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. " So you're saying it's unplayable on the 2600 Plus. Which is what we're talking about Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flaggskull Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 2 hours ago, B.T. said: Astroblast would not work with joystick, only paddles as a couple of people have already stated on ver 1.0 and 1.1. Also game seems to be on autofire when you play with paddles now as well(like the fire button is being pressed but it's not). This was not the case on ver 1.0. The Left difficulty switch turns autofire on and off in Astroblast. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+-^CrossBow^- Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 46 minutes ago, tradyblix said: "So it can really only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. " So you're saying it's unplayable on the 2600 Plus. Which is what we're talking about But I didn't say it was unplayable. You are interpreting that for some reason. I only stated it could only be played where it looks good through RF or composite. That doesn't mean it is unplayable. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash7 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Now I am completely computer inept as far as firmware, downloadware, underwear, and all that other stuff LOL If I were to buy an Atari 2600+ can I ship it to somebody on this forum, that would do all that stuff update that console with this software, and then ship it to me here in Pittsburgh? If interested in helping me out you can shoot me a DM. I'm not going to buy it tomorrow but I would buy it soon. Thanks........ 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 (edited) 8 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: PAL 50hz flicker and Realsports NTSC fix I've asked to be looked at. Await the files back to test. Just to let you know there is some 50Hz PAL flicker in some 7800 games too. It happens at certain positions in games like Midnight Mutants and Commando (e g. in secret rooms). For Midnight Mutants it was the same on V1.00 so nothing got introduced by V1.1. Xevious PAL on the other hand flickers terrible on real 7800 HW esp. with RF but looks good on the 2600+, only the desert style color palette should be adjusted. Some PAL 7800 start as NTSC but can be corrected by the escape sequence, even the TV than still runs on 60Hz🤔 I am in contact with raz0red about this👍 When I read all that stuff about Tower Toppler, I should really test my PAL cart next. This difficulty switch nonsens is well known but I got trapped when I got my cart 15 years ago too. I will see how it looks like without FBAS mod and Retrotink5x emulating Trinitron CRT🤔 My simple scan line generator I used on V1.0 does not like the 50Hz signal at all, so I removed it but that should be related rather to the generator and not the 2600+. 20240102_191445.mp4 Edited January 3 by DEANJIMMY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+bent_pin Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 46 minutes ago, Crash7 said: Now I am completely computer inept as far as firmware, downloadware, underwear, and all that other stuff LOL If I were to buy an Atari 2600+ can I ship it to somebody on this forum, that would do all that stuff update that console with this software, and then ship it to me here in Pittsburgh? If interested in helping me out you can shoot me a DM. I'm not going to buy it tomorrow but I would buy it soon. Thanks........ I'd wait for a full update. You may be able to buy it directly with the updated software and avoid the cost and headache. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEANJIMMY Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 7 minutes ago, bent_pin said: I'd wait for a full update. You may be able to buy it directly with the updated software and avoid the cost and headache. Well, after the update is before the update... Even V1.1 is a huge step, I expect some smaller to follow like TB support. But I also expect the non Beta updates will be more streamlined to install, so maybe wait for this. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crash7 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 Thanks for the advice fellas I appreciate it 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoundGammon Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I did the update using Windows 7. Everything went well! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted January 3 Author Share Posted January 3 12 hours ago, remowilliams said: Yes, dumper was successfully upgraded first. Same. And this is a red label NTSC cart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SparkleFork Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 I just want to know if my PAL Circus Convoy cart is going to work properly! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jj_0 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 On 12/29/2023 at 5:47 PM, THX-1138 said: I'm wondering if the update image would just work with the Rockchip tools that are already available for Linux. I've used the tool from https://github.com/vicharak-in/Linux_Upgrade_Tool.git to upgrade the firmware: # ./upgrade_tool UF ./update-1225.img Loading firmware... Support Type:312A FW Ver:8.1.00 FW Time:2023-12-25 10:26:27 Loader ver:2.56 Loader Time:2023-12-25 10:24:41 Start to upgrade firmware... Download Boot Start Download Boot Success Wait For Maskrom Start Wait For Maskrom Success Test Device Start Test Device Success Check Chip Start Check Chip Success Get FlashInfo Start Get FlashInfo Success Prepare IDB Start Prepare IDB Success Download IDB Start Download IDB Success Download Firmware Start Download Image... (100%) Download Firmware Success Upgrade firmware ok. This worked fine. Upgrading the Dumper firmware I'll have to do via Windows... 2 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chad5200 Posted January 3 Share Posted January 3 3 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: And this is a red label NTSC cart? My non-working RS Boxing is a red label NTSC cart. (In beta 1.1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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