raz0red Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 4 hours ago, Dionoid said: From an end-user perspective, I think these multiple RA cores for the same emulator are pretty confusing. Also, I know for a fact that the Stella team doesn't like these multiple RA Stella cores, as they only support the newest Stella core. Maybe when creating a different core, you should give it a new name instead of ProSystem. Yeah, that makes sense. I am just stating that it would be much easier to get something integrated with a new core versus trying to get it integrated and approved with the existing. I think a new name probably makes the most sense. But, I don't work on RA or the cores, so I could be way off. Chris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Stamos Mullet Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 56 minutes ago, Beatley82 said: Very pleased now that I managed pick up an original PAL copy of Food Fight for use on the plus before this re-released was ever announced 🙂 The re-release carts are identical to the originals. the problems that exist for the new PAL food fight cart users is the same for original 1987 carts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dionoid Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 1 hour ago, raz0red said: I am just stating that it would be much easier to get something integrated with a new core versus trying to get it integrated and approved with the existing. I would think it's the other way around. Adding a new core to RA isn't trivial, as you'll need to register your core using specific information, create documentation pages, get your repo cloned and integrated into the RA build server, etc. I recently did this for a new RA core (M2000) and it took quite some effort. But then, I don't know how much changes were done the the existing ProSystem code. Or was it a complete rewrite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raz0red Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 3 minutes ago, Dionoid said: I would think it's the other way around. Adding a new core to RA isn't trivial, as you'll need to register your core using specific information, create documentation pages, get your repo cloned and integrated into the RA build server, etc. I recently did this for a new RA core (M2000) and it took quite some effort. But then, I don't know how much changes were done the the existing ProSystem code. Or was it a complete rewrite? Yeah, just to reiterate, I don't work on RA or its cores. 🙂 But, the source has been being updated for 10+ years, so hopefully someone can pick it up at sometime. Chris. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trebor Posted June 17 Share Posted June 17 Sources for JS7800, including the same updates provided to 2600+, have been available for a long time. Hopefully, seeing the improvements to 2600+, may inspire those with an interest in the RetroArch frontend and the cores it utilizes, to move forward with implementation. Further, there is the idea for a name as well. Instead of utilizing the old core (name) 'prosystem', call the new core 'js7800', 'java7800', 'coffee7800', or '7800CupOfJoe". Meanwhile, JS7800 can be utilized by anyone with a JavaScript supporting web browser. Additionally, A7800 sources - offshoot of MAME sources - have been available for a long time too. The RetroArch frontend utilizes multiple MAME sources. Those who have performed the task of adding MAME sources to RetroArch, should have not too difficult of a task adding one more to that frontend. It would be bring RetroArch near full 7800 support compatibility and system accuracy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaNZ Posted June 17 Author Share Posted June 17 6 hours ago, John Stamos Mullet said: The re-release carts are identical to the originals. the problems that exist for the new PAL food fight cart users is the same for original 1987 carts. Are they? ROM chips and all? That's cool - I had assumed they were using flash storage of some type, so that's nice to know! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kjames_s_2000 Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 (edited) 3 hours ago, MantaNZ said: Are they? ROM chips and all? That's cool - I had assumed they were using flash storage of some type, so that's nice to know! I think he meant the 'cart image' is identical to the originals. I'm pretty sure the new carts are some type of eprom (I thought I read somewhere about having carts re-flashed). Back in the day, the MOS technology group used a different rom technology - I think called 'mask roms'. Those things are even more durable than a 78 Chevy Impala which explains why the vast majority of (non-mistreated) carts that are over 40 years old are still working. Edited June 18 by kjames_s_2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 12 hours ago, MantaNZ said: Are they? ROM chips and all? That's cool - I had assumed they were using flash storage of some type, so that's nice to know! Some are, some arent, depends on the game. I opened a couple of carts this morning and found both. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarcinJ Posted June 18 Share Posted June 18 Apparently in Germany the shipping has not been postponed and I will receive my copy of the Food Fight on Friday 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaNZ Posted June 18 Author Share Posted June 18 12 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: Some are, some arent, depends on the game. I opened a couple of carts this morning and found both. I wonder what my two copies are... I ain't gonna open them, haha. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted June 19 Share Posted June 19 16 hours ago, MarcinJ said: Apparently in Germany the shipping has not been postponed and I will receive my copy of the Food Fight on Friday In Switzerland, Ninja Golf and CX78+ shipped today, Food Fight on Friday too. I hope so, cartridge's ok, people only have to upgrade firmware (not only to play this game, a lot of games have issues with stock firmware). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beatley82 Posted June 21 Share Posted June 21 (edited) On 6/17/2024 at 3:54 PM, John Stamos Mullet said: The re-release carts are identical to the originals. the problems that exist for the new PAL food fight cart users is the same for original 1987 carts. I meant because I can play it now on my 2600+ whereas had I pre-ordered the new release I'd be waiting longer still as the orders have been cancelled/postponed. Edited June 22 by Beatley82 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tradyblix Posted Saturday at 03:40 PM Share Posted Saturday at 03:40 PM The re release carts seem to have color art on the label though. Which is an improvement over the original IMO And may be the deciding factor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuff Dam Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago Just had an email from Amazon Uk saying The manufacturer has informed us that they're no longer releasing Food Fight (Atari 2600 Plus) and they've cancelled the order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaxDiehard Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago My copy was delayed by Amazon, then just had it cancelled by the manufacturer. What the hell? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 1 hour ago, Kuff Dam said: Just had an email from Amazon Uk saying The manufacturer has informed us that they're no longer releasing Food Fight (Atari 2600 Plus) and they've cancelled the order. I received the same one earlier too. I'm sure @Ben from Plaion will update us when he knows when it will release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago On 6/18/2024 at 10:24 AM, Ben from Plaion said: Some are, some arent, depends on the game. I opened a couple of carts this morning and found both. @Ben from Plaion There's a market for the bare 48K EPROM PCBs! Only a small one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 11 minutes ago, JetmanUK said: I received the same one earlier too. I'm sure @Ben from Plaion will update us when he knows when it will release. I think I'm going to repack the carts with packaging that notifies the requirement of using software version 2.0 for Atari 2600+ consoles and send them back to retail with new release date. 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 12 minutes ago, marauder666 said: @Ben from Plaion There's a market for the bare 48K EPROM PCBs! Only a small one though. Can do you a bulk discount on a few thousand 😆 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marauder666 Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago (edited) 3 minutes ago, Ben from Plaion said: Can do you a bulk discount on a few thousand 😆 I don't think i've got enough years left to solder 100,000+ solder joints on EPROMs. Edited 15 hours ago by marauder666 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JetmanUK Posted 14 hours ago Share Posted 14 hours ago 1 hour ago, Ben from Plaion said: I think I'm going to repack the carts with packaging that notifies the requirement of using software version 2.0 for Atari 2600+ consoles and send them back to retail with new release date. Slap a sticker on those bad boys, they are in clear wrapping anyway so no damage, and they are good to go! 😁 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben from Plaion Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago 19 minutes ago, JetmanUK said: Slap a sticker on those bad boys, they are in clear wrapping anyway so no damage, and they are good to go! 😁 That's an option I guess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slider271 Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago (edited) 1 hour ago, Ben from Plaion said: I think I'm going to repack the carts with packaging that notifies the requirement of using software version 2.0 for Atari 2600+ consoles and send them back to retail with new release date. So I've just had the order cancellation notification from Amazon UK - are you going to relist it soon so we can order it again? (I also updated to the experimental firmware a wee while ago and was excited to play Pitfall II again ) Edited 13 hours ago by Slider271 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Philsan Posted 13 hours ago Share Posted 13 hours ago One week ago I asked my Swiss seller to send me Food Fight but unfortunately his supplier obeyed Plaion order... 😪 😄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MantaNZ Posted 12 hours ago Author Share Posted 12 hours ago (edited) 2 hours ago, Ben from Plaion said: I think I'm going to repack the carts with packaging that notifies the requirement of using software version 2.0 for Atari 2600+ consoles and send them back to retail with new release date. Yay! EDIT: Actually, that means I won't have the limited special edition anymore. BOOOOO! Edited 12 hours ago by MantaNZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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